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[Hermoor]

*TOPIC SPLIT HERE FROM LOTHLÓRIEN SECTION AND NAMED THIS WAY BY ME AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT NOT TO DO IN THESE FORUMS* ///Naz



Maybe it's only me, but it annoys me that Rohan and Gondor (the men) should be split. But the other races should not. The elfes has the most heroes than any faction, and heroes from different kingdoms too. With SEE joining forces with the Edain mod, splitting the elfes wouldn't be as hard as it would be if SEE would be on it's own. Check out these images, and then ask yourself how awesome it would be if you could add these models to the new factions.

*Gondor
Same as it is now.
*Rohan
http://www.moddb.com...s/hama#imagebox
http://www.moddb.com...eodred#imagebox
Add a few heroes
*Rivendell
http://www.moddb.com...elrond#imagebox
http://www.moddb.com...dagast#imagebox
http://www.moddb.com...ucture#imagebox
http://www.moddb.com...rriors#imagebox
http://www.moddb.com...flight#imagebox
http://www.moddb.com...asters#imagebox
http://www.moddb.com...mbeorn#imagebox
New units and buildings + heroes and units from the overpopulated Lothlorien.
*Lothlorien
All the stuff it got now - some things that are given to Rivendell.
*Erebor
Same as it has now after the update.

*Mordor
http://www.moddb.com...-tower#imagebox
Don't need much, but this building would be cool to have maybe?
*Moria
http://www.moddb.com...ain114#imagebox
A new dragon?
*Rhun
http://www.moddb.com...khamul#imagebox
http://www.moddb.com...lbeast#imagebox
http://www.moddb.com...saleme#imagebox
Some cool heroes and units has already been made, why waste your time on making new ones. When SEE and Edain now are together.
*Isengard
Adjust health for certain heroes, and fix some minor stuff. Get rid of fellbeasts.
*Agmar
http://www.moddb.com...guldur#imagebox
http://www.moddb.com...damned#imagebox
http://www.moddb.com...allows#imagebox
http://www.moddb.com...rogash#imagebox
Just to balance things out, or you could use the other evil men faction. But it would be easier to use Agmar, since there is already a lot of material you could take from The rise of the witch king. (EA won't care, don't fool yourself). There are also some things you could add from Edain.

Then you would have:

Mordor
Agmar
Isengard
Moria
Rhun

vs

Lothlorien
Rivendell
Erebor
Rohan
Gondor

This is something I think you should look at after completing the new beta. Adding Rivendell and Agmar. Rivendell wouldn't be hard to add since you could cooperate with Edain on the models and structures. Plus you could take a lot from the overpopulated Lothlorien.

Agmar would be easy to make, you could just take things from the expansion. And maybe use some things from Edain.

After the new beta that adds Rohan and Rhun to SEE. You should in my opinion think about adding two new factions. When you have done that you need to fix and balance the mod out. And fix minor things like the main menu. Then call it done! The mod will be very popular in time for the new hobbit movie and it's sequal. SEE would be famous, and maybe EA will contact you and ask if they can use the mod to create a Battle for middle earth 3.

Tell me what you think about this suggestion to where this mod could be going.

Edited by Nazgûl, 28 October 2009 - 05:27 PM.

[Adamin]

Somehow your attitude seems a bit... unappealing to me, Hermoor.

Do you realize what you are suggesting there?
Let me sum it up for you:

"Suck the last drop milk out of Edain, then SEE could get the best Mod ever!!"

First of all: Taking everything and stomp a new brand on it, is not what a partnership means. It's plagiarism.
Second, didn't you realize that you suggested to "take it all" in a free available forum, where I as an Edain Member could without problems read about your plans?

Nazgûl (as well as Sûlherokhh and every other SEE modder) is a talented modder, who already created a great mod with his own skills. He doesn't need to quickly rip out every other element from somewhere else, just because some kid isn't patient enough...


Just stop talking such nonsense Hermoor and get it that SEE and Edain are working together, with respect for each others work!

Edited by Adamin, 28 October 2009 - 03:15 PM.

[Dant]

Well said, Adamin

I didn't try to flame you Hermoor, But you should know this..because atleast i used to making mod for WC3 and have some experience being modders.

New people in community should learn about modders ruls, Most important respect others people work.

Even you think it not a big deal, "I just took it all and give them credit". It not even better than stealing.

Edited by Dant, 28 October 2009 - 03:23 PM.

[Hermoor]

Alright...and btw I'm not some kid. Plus, if Nazgul wanted to he could take your entire mod and merge it with SEE. Of course he has his code of modding or whatever. So he won't do that, but the truth is that you are both modding a game made by EA. None of the material or mods you make you own legally. There are no rules because you have no copyrights to the material. So it's not illegal for anyone that owns Battle of middle earth to take whatever you have made and use it for themself. There are no rules, and if nazgul wanted to, he could do it. And you would have nothing to say about it. Still, I don't get why you both make seperate mods, let's face it. You can't surpass SEE. Why not join them and help out instead of working on Edain and to see it die when SEE becomes better. I'm on SEE's side, and I would like to see this mod to become better than every other BFME mod, and in my opinon it is. I will not touch any other mod, because why would I do that. If the Edain team could fully join SEE, and the two leaders of the mods. Nazgul and the other guy could agree to work towards a common set of ideas. Then I see no reason not to merge the mods. In the end you are both working towards the same goal, to improve battle of middle earth 2. Working on two different mods is a waste of time, working together is the way to go. Things goes faster and if you only could agree on not to view SEE or Edain as two different mods, and instead see it as our mod. You could merge and have a super mod. I know there is another thread for this but whatever.

A example that I think Nazgul is familiar with as a swede. Sweden was in 1905 split in two parts, norway and yeah Sweden. What is today, instead of having a almost identical country to the west of us that speaks basically the same language. Sweden and noway could become one and a greater country.

Another example is EU, European union...basically what I'm suggesting is merging the mods. I see not reason not to, nothing bad would come out of it. Don't be stubborn, and don't fool yourself that you own whatever you are modding. You are modding a game made by EA. I and anyone else who own the game can take whatever we want...

So yeah MERGE the mods!

[Florisz]

There. Are. Rules.

Yeah, doubt you could compare the EU and BFME mods...

[Dant]

@Hermoor: Instead of going to reason with you...i decide to leave it be.

Edited by Dant, 28 October 2009 - 03:34 PM.

[Hermoor]

There. Are. Rules.

Tell me what those rules are and what they are for? And what would happen if we ignored those "rules that exist only in your head".

Yeah, doubt you could compare the EU and BFME mods...

I just did.

Instead of going to reason with you...i decide to leave it be.

Just admit that you agree with me and maybe we could see Nazgul and the other guy merge the mods

[Florisz]

What if they don't want that?

[Dant]

Just admit that you agree with me and maybe we could see Nazgul and the other guy merge the mods smile.gif

What..if i say "Nah i didn't agree with you, *Walk Away* "

Edited by Dant, 28 October 2009 - 03:53 PM.

[Archon]

Hermoor, you need to realize that SEE and Edain are two separate mods, they both have their good and bad qualities. They should not and will not become one "gigantic" mod.

Also, I think that's enough on this discussion. Hermoor, leave it be. Present your ideas with respect and appreciation for the fact that others may not like your idea. That is the case now, and there is no need to keep on with this discussion. It is pointless because the outcome has already been decided.

[Nazgûl]

This stops right here!!! I will deal with this.

[Neth]

Will someone close this topic? Seriously.

[Nazgûl]

@Hermoor:

1) I have been VERY patient with you and all your friggin DEMANDS for this production! But you show COMPLETE lack of respect for me, SEE, Adamin and the Edain Team and their mod - most of all towards them!

2) I am very happy about the PARTNERSHIP with Edain, just like we have with RJ. That does NOT mean that ANY of these mods would MERGE in ANY way? SAVVY? CAPISH? GET IT? FATTAR DU? Now fugging DROP IT!

3) Because of you we might LOSE such a partnership, cause you make it into something dirty. And people might get the impression that you speak for the SEE mod just because the way you DO speak (write). You never say "could you maybe do this" or "perhaps you could do this and that". You always say "you should do this", "you should consider this"... or even worse "now that WE have done this and that, bla bla".

4) And it's ALWAYS about MILLIONS of things that YOU want! Why not make small suggestions instead of demanding an entire new mod production!

5) You have to realize that I don't give a SHIT what you think and what you like and what you do NOT like. I only care about what I want for SEE and those that WORK close to me in the SEE Team. You have NOTHING to do with this production and thus you should show RESPECT towards all of us. Regardless if it's me or donators like Adamin. He was COMPLETLY right to raise his voice towards you, and I think he held his temper much better than I do.



As of now I have no respect for you what so ever and I will stop answering all your spam in our forums. Use the SEE mod or not, I couldn't care less, but stay out of our forums until you leanr some friggin MANNERS little man! That's all!

*TOPIC CLOSED*