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#61 willamtarker

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 10:12 AM

Hi all.
I am hopeful for time travel
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Posted 08 December 2009 - 12:44 PM

Thankyou for that utterly worthless and irrelevant statement. Next time, contribute or GTFO.

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 01:34 PM

Don't mind Ash. He's been rather cranky lately (or forever).

Why are you hopeful for time travel? Have there been any recent developments you are aware of?
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Posted 08 December 2009 - 01:36 PM

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 02:01 PM

I think we're all hopeful for time travel, but that doesn't mean it'll happen. Scientifically, what views have we got on the subject?
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Posted 08 December 2009 - 06:35 PM

Well, everyone can already time-travel. At a rate of one second per second, that is.

Now that that lame joke is out of the way, I can confirm you that time-travel is a no-go. Besides, if it would be possible some day, we'd already have been visited by people from the future, no?
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Posted 08 December 2009 - 11:48 PM

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Besides, if it would be possible some day, we'd already have been visited by people from the future, no?

That's what Stephen Hawking said. But then Carl Sagan suggested that maybe the people from the future fit in with us. If the future folk among us now are hiding because they just want to see the sights of our time and not be subjected to endless questioning about the future and potential technologies, we'll have no way of knowing.
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Posted 09 December 2009 - 12:03 AM

Time is irrelevant. The movement of atomic matter is. 'Going back in time' is a process of reversing the movement of atomic matter in a given area. The whole Universe going back in time is a bit ridiculous. 'Going forward in time'... well... we're already doing that. Both processes can be sped up. How is all of this possible? Well if we knew an exact science to it, I would gladly explain. I think it can only be done by altering the polarity of a given area, making atomic matter act differently. That's where the term 'going sideways through time' might come in handy.

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Posted 09 December 2009 - 12:46 AM

If there were time-travellers from the future, we'd have inordinately large numbers of clairvoyants, lottery winners or successful professional gamblers.

What would they gain by coming back to our time and not making it known or exploiting it? More to the point, what would they gain by coming back to our time at all?

I believe they're working on something that might be able to displace time by literally nanoseconds, but that sort of scale is so infintisimally small that it's not worth bothering, considering power costs. What would we do with time travel anyway? Anyone who says 'kill Hitler' has obviously not been paying fucking attention to every time travel movie, game or TV show ever

Essentially your contributions to the pre-you timeline would either be insignificant, you'd cause to happen what's already happened and is supposed to happen, or you'd just make shit worse.

The best we could hope for would be a way to go back in time that would be like a window into the past, allowing us to view events as they happened but be unable to alter or interact.

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Posted 09 December 2009 - 12:51 AM

What you haven't considered Ash is:

Time Travel = Possible
Yet,
Time Travel = Banned

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 04:56 PM

I haven't considered them, because neither are true.

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 07:57 PM

Maybe time-travel would result in you not being able to affect time, only being able to observe it.

And Ash, what is this device you speak of?
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Posted 11 December 2009 - 02:44 PM

There are two realistic scenarios for backwards time travel (if it is at all possible, of course):
1. You cannot change anything, no matter how hard you try. What happened, happened. (Lost)
2. You can change stuff, but you'll create an alternate timeline/universe. (Back to the Future)

All those movies where the hero goes back in time to save the future, it doesn't work that way. I mean, it might work for the hero, but what about the people he's trying to save? Will they suddenly go "oh, all that bad stuff I remember, it suddenly hasn't happened anymore"? That's impossible, because if the stuff that happened in the past didn't happen, they probably wouldn't even be where they were (or traveled back in time in the first place).
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Posted 11 December 2009 - 02:52 PM

The way I think about it, time would have to be a constant. There would be two points anchored in time, say, 2009 at one end and 1653 at the other. By the time 2010 rolled around, it would be 1654 on the other end, unless you opened up another (for want of a better word) portal to 1653 again. This would allow you to return to the world as you knew it but also mess around in the past, because when you were done you would just return to your anchored point in space-time and it'd all be normal.

For yet another opinion, you should read The Light Of Other Days, by Arthur C. Clarke and Stephen Baxter. Excellent book, very well thought out and very intelligent in scientific and literary terms.
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Posted 11 December 2009 - 11:41 PM

There are two realistic scenarios for backwards time travel (if it is at all possible, of course):
1. You cannot change anything, no matter how hard you try. What happened, happened. (Lost)
2. You can change stuff, but you'll create an alternate timeline/universe. (Back to the Future)

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3: They get replaced by someone who will do the exact same thing, IE going back in time and killing Hitler will result a new guy replacing him and doing what he did. (Cirque Du Freak series [aka The Saga of Darren Shaw])
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Posted 12 December 2009 - 10:04 AM

No, that doesn't work, because of the butterfly effect. If there's even the smallest change, it could have big effects on the future. For example, a movie about the assassination of Hitler would be made, and two people meet while watching it in the cinema. They fall in love and get kids. One of them grows up to be the president, but goes crazy and paranoid. He will then authorize a nonsensical war, which changes the lives of millions of people, etc etc.
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Posted 12 December 2009 - 10:21 AM

That's pretty far-fetched.

Time travel is such a bad idea it's not even funny. And that's not even taking into account the common movie tropes about the issue. I fail to see what use or good could come of it.

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Posted 12 December 2009 - 12:49 PM

Well, it would be kinda cool to travel back to ancient times, declare yourself as a god to the Romans or Egyptians, and conquer the entire world with all the advanced knowledge you possess. I think.
It has been reported that some victims of rape, during the act, would retreat into a fantasy world from which they could not WAKE UP. In this catatonic state, the victim lived in a world just like their normal one, except they weren't being raped. The only way that they realized they needed to WAKE UP was a note they found in their fantasy world. It would tell them about their condition, and tell them to WAKE UP. Even then, it would often take months until they were ready to discard their fantasy world and PLEASE WAKE UP

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Posted 12 December 2009 - 05:13 PM

Except you'd have no way to power your advanced knowledge, or pass it on. The precursor techs for the precursor techs for our advanced knowledge would be utterly alien and gobbledegook to them. You could take them over but chances are their tech wouldn't advance all that far.

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Posted 12 December 2009 - 05:47 PM

Still, being able to create gunpowder... Naturally you'd study gun tech before you travel back in time, so you should be able to create some 'godly' weapons like rapid-fire machine guns, cannons, or if all fails, simple bombs will do. Place some where you think the enemy troops will be, and when they arrive, take thousands out with a simply fire arrow.
It has been reported that some victims of rape, during the act, would retreat into a fantasy world from which they could not WAKE UP. In this catatonic state, the victim lived in a world just like their normal one, except they weren't being raped. The only way that they realized they needed to WAKE UP was a note they found in their fantasy world. It would tell them about their condition, and tell them to WAKE UP. Even then, it would often take months until they were ready to discard their fantasy world and PLEASE WAKE UP




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