Those names are what Weta and the LotR movie production team assigned the Nazgul for names to differentiate them. They are in fact just Quenya for Nazgul #2-9. ...
As far as I know, those names were created by Decipher (the author of the LotR Trading Card Game - I did once collect a lot of those cards).
[Ulairë] Attëa = 2nd., Nelya(?) = 3rd. (3 = Nelde, so maybe Neldëa?), Cantëa= 4th., Lemenya(?) = 5th. (5 = Lempe, so maybe Lempëa?), Enquëa = 6th., Otsëa = 7th., Toldëa = 8th. and Nertëa = 9th.
See Quenya Numerals by Ryszard Derdzinski
... I think its Quenya could be Sindarin, but I do know that it was some Elvish language. It would be weird in my opinion for them to have such a noble light sounding names considering who they are. ...
Those names are in Quenya, the High-Elven language spoken by the Vanyar and the Noldor in Valinor.
In the Third Age, Sindarin had become the common language spoken by all the Elven people in the known part of Middle-earth: i.e. the Sindar (the Teleri who did not travel to Valinor), the Noldor (in exile) and even the Silvan Elves (the Elves of Mirkwood and the indigenous people of Lothlórien). Quenya in Middle-earth was retained only as a language of ancient lore.
So, if ever the Elves did need to reference the Nazgûl individually (which I doubt), it would be in Sindarin and not Quenya, and it certainly would NOT be in the form of numerals.
... Now if Namo could scrounge up the numbers uttered in Black Speech now then it might be interesting.
No, not as numbers, and not in the Black Speech ... there are much better ways
First: the Black Speech has several 'diatects':
- We know that the Orcs of Morgoth used some kind of 'Black Speech', among Tolkien linguists labelled 'Angband Black Speech' - but we only know that it once existed, not even a single word can with any certainty be traced back to this dialect.
- In the second Age Sauron devised the Black Speech proper, as a sort of 'common language' to be used by his subjects; such a common language would of course be of great value for him in his attempts to become the 'High King of Middle-earth' - as the very different peoples that he subjugated were prone to fight among each other. However, the 'Black Speech of Sauron' never became videly used (and probably had become obsolete at the end of Third Age). the Ring Inscription is the only surviving source we have concerning the proper Black Speech, and although an extended version exist (not published in the books) this is not enough to make 'names' for the Nazgûl.
- The Black Speech of the Orcs of Mordor (and of Orcs in general, though there must have been various local dialects) is known as 'Debased Black Speech' - the vocabulary is very limited, but samples can be seen in this post, this post and this post!
Second: it is possible to give the Nazgûl individual 'titles' (not names) which are both 'unique' and 'authentic', by using the Tongue of the Black Númenóreans, i.e. a (deducted) dialect of 'classic' Adûnaic:
In my opinion such names should comply to all of the following criteria:
- The names should be in the form of titles, and should not be proper names.
- The titles should be in accordance with the writings of Tolkien, especially with respect to all his linguistic works.
- The etymology should be rather 'vague' because that's the way Tolkien portrayed them, more a 'class of beings' than 'individuals' (see comment on the following quote).
- The names should be rather short and easy to recognize as Nazgûl (for reasons of gameplay)
To make a very long story short ... the naming of the Nazgûl is in my opinion a very difficult and delicate issue, and has of course been puzzling my mind for several years ... but for your comfort: I have found a very beautiful (linguistic) solution, it's just that I don't want to release those titles without all the lore that goes with it. Futhermore, I want this small work of mine to be a gift to Sûl, for some personal reasons, and as a tribute to all his unselfish contributions to the community ... So, when that work finished, and delivered, it will be up to him (and Nazgûl) to decide it's fate in relation to this mod.
they are fine as just nazgul - specialized names always sound too cheesy, like the games workshop names "the betrayer" etc. ...
I agree. The primary weapon of the Nazgûl (according to the lore) is FEAR ... and fear of something *unknown* is far more frightening than fear of something *known*, because in the last case you might know how to react to the fear. So, giving them specific names would make them less frightening.
I don't know the GW-names, but those names (from the role-playing game by Iron Crown Enterprises) that are widely used are simply ridiculous; we know that three of the Nazgûl are Black Númenóreans, but only one of those names is proper Adûnaic (the Tongue of the Númenóreans), and a female name. None of these names has any relation to Tolkien's works, and personally I find it an insult of a great and gifted artist to treat his works like that
- moreover so, because there are plenty of room within his creation to make interpretations in different ways, also in relation to name-giving.
... the only character to take the name lieutenant of morgul is gothmog (who may have been a ringwraith, or a black numenorean, although the movie shows him to be an orc, so he is an orc in the mod)
Correct. Gothmog is originally the name of the Lord of Balrogs, High-Captain of Angband, Slayer of Fëanor, Fingon and Ecthelion. Tolkien would never reuse such an important name for just an ordinary orc; the best quess is that he was in fact a Nazgûl, but he could also have been a high ranking Black Númenórean, as you say, but we'll never know. As PJ for some unknown reason choose to portray him as an orc, and because of that appears so in the mod, I think the best we can do is to interpret that character as a Boldog