37 replies to this topic

[Pasidon]

http://www.bing.com/...f-ufos/26siansm

Well this is what science has come too: reverse engineering stuff that they don't know anything about. I ask: How can you reverse engineer what you don't have? I like the little animations of the UFO's EM Drive... like they know what's going on in there. Sure, the government might actually have space crafts. But if they let information like this get out, just tell us already. Probably a 2012 spoiler.

[Spectre]

Well, you have to start somewhere.

[Florisz]

Bet the Dutch goverment hasn't got them.

[Allathar]

Otherwise they would've used them in Uruzgan, I bet.

[duke_Qa]

What the hell, that's just a small snippet about how you with sufficient power in theory can use electromagnetism to drive a spacecraft. Anything can be done with sufficient power

[Pasidon]

According to Hans Whack-Job in the video, EM Technology it must be alien technology.

[duke_Qa]

The way I heard it was that human civilization doesn't have access to that sort of technology yet. beyond our dreams

Edited by duke_Qa, 22 February 2010 - 11:07 AM.

[Pasidon]

Yea. They go through this whole video with the basis saying, "We can use massive amounts of energy to propel across space." And at the end of the video John Van-Whack-Job admits, "We don't have a system that can make this much power." Then what good are you? He better not be getting paid very much.

[duke_Qa]

It's science wank, bad discovery news telling you nothing new beyond theoretical what-ifs. The scientists are merely being used to create trash for the (below) average sci-fi joe to nerdgasm.

[Pasidon]

They probably aren't even real scientists...

[Bart]

What's a real scientist? To do science is to be a scientist

[Pasidon]

Fine, I'll rephrase: They probably haven't even done science.


Look at dumb-dumb's board... He's got a scaleless layout of that stupid thing with a 60 degree ark on a straight line... and look at his super smarty hypothesis. Wow... electric power emitted? Power supply massive?! (His good writing sort of died at the end of that word there) You're a genius you retarded piece of crap... go back to Russia and comb your hair.

Edited by {IP}Pasidon, 23 February 2010 - 12:57 AM.

[Vortigern]

I'd have to side with Pasi. There is no actual science given, merely a theory. The object of science is to come up with a rational and usable explanation of how something is done, not to say "I have a wild theory but cannot substantiate it with evidence." That's either religion or quantum physics, and this is meant to be neither of those.

[Puppeteer]

Pasidon, from that picture I'm pretty sure it's "limited" and "mass" (plus something obscured) rather than "emitted" and "massive". That would make more sense. Having not watched it, though, I wouldn't know.

[Pasidon]

Neh... whatever Whack-VanJacktard wrote on his little board, he's clearly trying to look smart. It's like he lives in a air-base with his little chalkboard... he must be the Air Force's physics weasel they pull out of the cave and tell him to act smart.

[Allied General]

Isn't this just like giant magnets?

Like how levitation might be possible in future

[Pasidon]

Heh... Leviathan is here. There would be no doubt in me about it.

But it would be a magnet or sorts. Though this video is based on dumb people thinking dumb things, it is based off technology we already know of, though we have went too far in another direction of technology to achieve this. Technology is not a straight line; there are many ways to get to an end. But taking one path may make another harder to get to. We are currently using chemical / mechanical energy to power everything on this world when we had the option to use kinetic / static energy; Electromagnetic Technology... the opposite of our current technology. EM technology cannot be put into production since it disrupts our current technology. It is harder to advance in it when it cannot be used in massive scales for legal and logical reasons. This EM Drive the video refers to is explainable: It is a metallic sphere that is simply the gear. When it turns, it produces energy. Firstly, a massive build up of EM energy must have enough Newtons to turn the orb. With a massive burst of the energy with the proper housing, the EM energy will build up kinetic energy and turn the orb. If enough Newtons is produced, the kinetic energy the core stores can propel ships. But I see it more fit to replace power plants in the future. Advantages: good for atmospheric environments - can self-regenerate lost energy - creates a wireless network that can give power to EM technologies in it's range - more efficient in every way compared to our current power. Many more, as it is a vastly interesting science.

[Vortigern]

If only people had listened to Nikola Tesla when he was alive, we might already have spaceships. Dude was the all-time champion of mad scientists.

[Pasidon]

Yes. One man used EM Technology and he was seen as a terrorist. It goes to show how much more advanced he was than the ordinary man.

[partyzanPaulZy]

Tesla stood against corporations and lost his fight, however some of his ideas came into life - AC, Tesla turbine, Tesla coil, wireless electricity transfer (in 50 years), maybe even HAARP with equivalents,... His research also included things from robotics, remote control, radar, computer science, to the expansion of ballistics, nuclear physics, and theoretical physics.
His inventions could be compared to those of Leonardo da Vinci: mechanical knight dummy, wooden tank, fully working parachute, diver armour... Although these were longly forgotten and reinvented by someone else, Tesla's unused inventions probably ended in saves of hungry vultures who stopped his research, his dreams turned into dust.
Consecvences of this obscurantism are terrible - poluted air, exploation of our (dying) planet, 88% of energy comes from fossil fuels (instead of atom, Sun or some mysterious sources Tesla was thinking about), today electromobiles are primitive...

If Tesla found something what could be used to create unconventional space ship, governments would consider it too scary to present in public.

If scientists got extraterrestrial space ship into their hands, they would get new source of usefull applicable knowledge.
For example: there would be some weird alloy from ET wreck -> chemical analysis -> physical analysis -> ... -> reproduction of this alloy -> new planes from this light, durable, hard, strong material
Piece by piece with natural science progress we (mankind) would be able to create space ships like that wreck earlier than without that wreck.

Also don't forget people have been using fire for hundreds of thousand years without knowing how fire works, concrete was used for 2000 years without knowing what happens inside during hardening, ordinary man doesn't know much about CPU, but despite that he uses computer, technician sees black box, doesn't care about "intestines", just about input-output, monkey see - monkey do.

Edited by partyzanPaulZy, 26 February 2010 - 08:50 PM.