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[Casojin]

Navy is not easy to add with ZH Engine and it could be very buggy. However, amphibious units are better option for Contra.

[Creator]

Hunter, navy is not supported by Generals engine. There is no way to implement it without bugs.

[Su8perkillr]

I remember a map in which you could capture a cruiser.

[Casojin]

Actually, we're given Cruiser and Aircraft Carrier supports (Artillery bombardment + Jet strike) in vZH USA mission. We also got a chance to blow up the Carrier in GLA mission.

[Creator]

I remember a map in which you could capture a cruiser.

That cruiser was actually not a cruiser. It was a building with cruiser 3d model. It could not move and turn. And there was the same with carrier. If ships can not move and can not be produced then everything is ok. But if you want ships to move - they will partly get on the shore. If you want ships to be built - they will move on the ground. I saw how navy was implemented in some mods and I understand, that it is better to reject this idea instead of having unfixable bugs.

[taramas]

I remember a map in which you could capture a cruiser.

That cruiser was actually not a cruiser. It was a building with cruiser 3d model. It could not move and turn. And there was the same with carrier. If ships can not move and can not be produced then everything is ok. But if you want ships to move - they will partly get on the shore. If you want ships to be built - they will move on the ground. I saw how navy was implemented in some mods and I understand, that it is better to reject this idea instead of having unfixable bugs.

That's true !

[Su8perkillr]

I remember a map in which you could capture a cruiser.

That cruiser was actually not a cruiser. It was a building with cruiser 3d model. It could not move and turn. And there was the same with carrier. If ships can not move and can not be produced then everything is ok. But if you want ships to move - they will partly get on the shore. If you want ships to be built - they will move on the ground. I saw how navy was implemented in some mods and I understand, that it is better to reject this idea instead of having unfixable bugs.

That's true !

Indeed, it couldn't move. But it could shoot, and it was in an unmodded example of ZH. So it isn't a building in camouflage.

[Creator]

I don't understand you. What are you trying to say? Navy can not be implemented properly in ZH.

[dcesarec]

What do you guys are talking? There is a "Naval Wars" mod for Zero Hour with moveable cruiser, and many other naval units. If i remember, there were no more bugs than it is in Contra 007.

[Su8perkillr]

There was a map in which there was one long dock. At the end of the dock, there was a cruiser. You could capture it the hijack way. When you were inside it, you could shoot with it like in the USA mission in which you get a fleet of a carrier and a few vessels. I do not remember if it could move.

[Pendaelose]

One option I looked at was making a captureable structure that built ships in the water. This bypasses the "build on land" bug while offering ships only on maps specifically designed for naval combat. I've thought about adding it several times, but I've had my hands full just trying to finish the basics.

[Creator]

What do you guys are talking? There is a "Naval Wars" mod for Zero Hour with moveable cruiser, and many other naval units. If i remember, there were no more bugs than it is in Contra 007.

Are you talking about this mod?
http://www.moddb.com...-fires#imagebox

[Gen.Kenobi]

Hunter, navy is not supported by Generals engine. There is no way to implement it without bugs.

There's a way...look at Project Evans...Watch the video.

Creator, if you wish, i could share the code with you... As i did with Invasion Confirmed

As long as you give credits, of course

[Creator]

I downloaded NavalWars mod and played it. Here are a couple of screenshots:



Gen.Kenobi, just tell me if these bugs displayed on screenshots were solved. If not, I don't need the code.

[Gen.Kenobi]

First, Creator, Project Evans never had that bug.

We use the RA3 nanocore system, what works perfectly. And is the metheod used by Invasion Confirmed (I shared the code with them)

[Creator]

I'm interested in it then. Share the code with me please.

And tell me, what other features does RA3 nanocore system have?

Edited by Creator, 08 April 2010 - 06:28 AM.

[dcesarec]

Gen Kenobi,i saw pictures of your naval stuff,they are awesome.Guys,think seriously of uniting Contra and Evans,it could be mod of century,only thing that contra needs are naval bases.This could be Contra Evans mod.

[Casojin]

I'm interested in it then. Share the code with me please.

And tell me, what other features does RA3 nanocore system have?

RA3 nanocore is packed structure (like MCV in original C&C but instead of deploying into a construction yard, it deploys into structure instead).
The nanocore can move into water and unpack. I think it's a good logic to avoid bugs and ZH might support the deployment into either structure or naval vessel.

[Su8perkillr]

Hm, ships should get a real powerdown. I remember from the USA mission in which you get control of a few ships, that you could clear out the complete map with them, they have unlimited range, they can't shoot on shroud, but with your carrier you can explore darkness, and then bombard the fog.