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#81 Hostile

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Posted 03 November 2004 - 07:52 PM

Personally I'm pleased with the results. I haven't seen anyone mention the increase in republican Senate and the House seats. Seems republicans trounced the democrats.

Lest we also forget the defeat of the senior democrate Dashle. I didn't foresee that one! Seems also there could be as many as 3 Supreme Court Judges to be appointed this term.

I was watching a news brief that stated democrats were fractured before, now they are down right in shambles. Seems they are out of touch with a mojority of the American people.

I know it's coming so flame away...

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Posted 03 November 2004 - 08:16 PM

Oh boy. Both houses are loaded with ignorant idiots. Lovely. :p

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Posted 03 November 2004 - 08:29 PM

'cause someone doesn't agree with your views doesn't make them idiots.

I for one am glad that Bush made it into his 2nd term. If Kerry had won he would have continued the same foreign policy as the Bush administration.
So no difference there.

On the moral issues i agree with Bush.

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Posted 03 November 2004 - 08:39 PM

Abortion: Kerry
Gun Control: Kerry
Economy: KERRY
Foreign Policy: Kerry
War in Iraq: US military
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Posted 03 November 2004 - 09:12 PM

It is a sad day for humanity... :p

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Posted 03 November 2004 - 09:28 PM

What exactly did Bush do to you Immo? What has he done that actually affected your personal life or the life of your family. Is your ecoomy bad because of him? Did one of your family memebers die because of him.

Give us some examples of how Bush directly affected your life. Or is it you just don't like him? You know Bush invented cancer and AIDS. He invented nukes also. I believe he also invented "athletes foot"

All you do is dance from forum to forum blasting Bush. Last I rememeber you don't even live on the same continant as Bush

He doesn't make any european laws, no terrorst bombs blew up your city. Your ecomony is doing fine. You're not even old enuff to hold a job. Where did Bush do you personally wrong?

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Posted 03 November 2004 - 10:18 PM

An example of how Bush directly affected our lives? Go into a gas station and you'll see it by yourself :p
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Posted 03 November 2004 - 10:25 PM

So now Bush caused the price of oil to go up also. So what else has he done. Raped women and killed children also I bet. I assume he personally orchestrated the prison abuse also. Geeze, maybe we could crucify him. Yeah?

Show me how Bush caused the oil prices to go up? I'd love to your answer on that. Especially since all the oil is "over there." Any reason why you can't support your statements with some info? Or just blame him for everything.

Next you'll say he caused the recession also right? You poeple kill me...

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Posted 04 November 2004 - 01:05 AM

War on Iraq. Simply as that.

- USA goes to war.
- War needs fuel.
- USA buys a lot of fuel.
- Demands of fuel increase in the world.
- Demand increasing, quantity of oil available to sell reduces and value increases.
- Value increasing, price increases.
- But Iraq was one of the main producers of oil in the world
- So, quantity of oil reduces even more
- Value increases even more
- But USA get Iraq oil
- Iraql oil gets sabotaged more and more often
- Sabotage = reducing the production
- Less production = Less oil to be sold
- Less oil to be sold = higher values = higher prices
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Posted 04 November 2004 - 01:57 AM

I'll admit sounds plausible except no one ever anywhere ever said our military action increased world consumption of fuel. There's not that many vehicles driving around Iraq.

And prices only began to jump this year. So how does any loss of Iraqi production account for that? From what I've learned that mostly it's been caused by huge jumps in the Chinese economy. Went up some 5% or so. Which equates out to ALOT more consumption than our military action.

I can only assume Bush is to blame for the increase in the chinese consumption levels. Damn Bush...

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Posted 04 November 2004 - 02:29 AM

I'll admit sounds plausible except no one ever anywhere ever said our military action increased world consumption of fuel. There's not that many vehicles driving around Iraq.

And prices only began to jump this year. So how does any loss of Iraqi production account for that? From what I've learned that mostly it's been caused by huge jumps in the Chinese economy. Went up some 5% or so. Which equates out to ALOT more consumption than our military action.

I can only assume Bush is to blame for the increase in the chinese consumption levels. Damn Bush...

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Posted 04 November 2004 - 02:33 AM

Well don't drop a one line answer cause I do know what I'm talking about, elaborate please. First find what I've written as wrong and correct it.

Why do people drop one line responses with no words to support the position?

I was kidding when I blamed Bush. THAT was a joke. Everybody thinks Bush is to blame for everything...

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Posted 04 November 2004 - 02:40 AM

You think people are walking around Baghdad? We've deployed 2/3 of our military forces, there are a hell of a lot of vehicles driving around Iraq. Not to mention, because of this, oil prices are being driven up by other countries.
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Posted 04 November 2004 - 02:52 AM

So where did these vehicles drive before they got to Iraq, Think they were just sitting in a parking lot somewhere. They were already deployed and running missions (even just training) The fact they are Iraq didn't raise consumption levels sigficantly.

To affect global usage you REALLY need to be using some oil. Not just driving around a large number of vehicles around in Iraq. Think about it... global increase in consumption is driving the cost. It's all over the news worldwide. Not just biased US news. The world is drinking oil like happy hour. Yes the chinese economic growth spurt plays a huge part.

Just don't blame Bush for it. Hell blame the US population for buying 16 yr olds cars. Nothing you can do.

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Nothing anywhere, at all, could I find that stated world consumption rose because of us driving alot of vehicles around in Iraq. That sir is absurd...

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Posted 04 November 2004 - 03:26 AM

Hmmm...consider this factor...

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Production: 8.054 millon bbl/day (2001 est.);
Consumption: 19.65 millon bbl/day (2001 est.) ;

This was before Iraq and Afghanistan. Id estimate the consumption has gone pretty off.

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Posted 04 November 2004 - 03:42 AM

I appreciate the facts ARG. But the issue isn't the imbalance of oil consumption. That's assumed. It's the increased consumption of sources outside the US.

Let's not blame US for world increases in consumption. Nor can we blame Bush for increasing our consumption. Unless we isolate what the % increase was due to our vehicles driving around Iraq, than the preious posts have no merit.

At least you support with some numbers...

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Posted 04 November 2004 - 04:10 AM

Point is, itd be worth looking at how much consumption has ascended, and how this influences US imports. Mind you, US Oil Import/Export data is unavailable from government sources. Im not saying Bush is guilty for this, but his initiative a part of the problem.

In an hypothetical no Iraq-War situation, what factor could have raised the Oil prices so much? Going by that logic, its hard to find an answer.

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Posted 04 November 2004 - 04:19 AM

That is a well worded response I have no answer for. What if...
I've listed some sources for the pros and cons of Chinas growth as the number one reason oil prices are so high. We are not the only consumer of oil.

I'd have to agree with what if. I have a few of my own...

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Posted 04 November 2004 - 08:12 AM

The most recent rises in Oil prices have nothing to do with the Bush Administration. A war doesnt actually use that much more fuel than tanks doing nothing. The main reason for the hike in Oil Prices is the Saudi's cutting its supply. Since Saudi Arabia is one of the worlds largest oil producers it has a big effect on the price of oil. Demand has very little effect on the price of oil, Supply is a much larger factor.

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Posted 04 November 2004 - 09:15 AM

The most recent rises in Oil prices have nothing to do with the Bush Administration. A war doesnt actually use that much more fuel than tanks doing nothing. The main reason for the hike in Oil Prices is the Saudi's cutting its supply. Since Saudi Arabia is one of the worlds largest oil producers it has a big effect on the price of oil. Demand has very little effect on the price of oil, Supply is a much larger factor.

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:p supply and demand go hand it hand. Saudi production has been uo to par for sometime now (months) demand is pushing supply to the limits of production.. :) This is a proven back based on the media I've seen (international also)

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