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Posted 20 October 2010 - 03:11 AM



My political compass has taken a sharp turn in favor of this bold new party after seeing this video. A serious debate for the New York Governor position took place this week, and all went well with a sharply dressed buccaneer from the late 1800's named Jimmy McMillan who wants us all to know... The rent is too damn high.

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 11:50 AM



Matthews’ incisive explication of the strange doings among the American electorate - which will continue until November 2nd. - is important enough to repeat.

Mr. Matthews has examined the dynamic currently playing out across the US and called it by name: fear. Voters are afraid of the crazy, drunken power exhibited by the people they elected in 2008. This out-of-control arrogance is simply scary. Where did the accountability go? And how did it disappear so quickly?

So far, no one has explained this fear level (or its likely consequences) as well as Mr. Matthews did here. Yes it is true that Matthews, like the politicians he mentions in the video, has his flaws (to phrase it very politely). But when somebody hits one out of the park, they deserve our thanks.

He actually sounds NORMAL, but please notice though, that he is angry that the right is doing this, not the left.

Reality hurts.


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Posted 20 October 2010 - 04:21 PM

Accountability for what? I'd be tempted to lash out on how much worse the Bush administration was in terms of suspending civil liberties, ignoring human rights and violating basics of the rule of law, but I'mma let you finish.

Also, never fear! You have these brave men defending the glory of the Western civilisation:


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Posted 20 October 2010 - 05:30 PM

If he thinks the rent is too high where he is, he should try living in the UK where a person can expect to lose as much as 2/3rds of their wages on rent.

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 06:08 PM


... I'd be tempted to lash out on how much worse the Bush administration was ...

Now, what's wrong with Bush-bashing ... it's an argument that's likely to be used even two years from now.

Whoever is to blame, maybe the average American facing unemployment and foreclosure just don't buy hope anymore. You may keep the change.

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To avoid any further confusion or disagreement on why the American electorate are behaving so strange these days, why don't we just take the easy road and explain it in a pure scientific way ... like neuro-anatomist Janeane Garofalo:


In my opinion, the validity of this statements is obvious. ;)


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Posted 21 October 2010 - 03:13 AM

Accountability for what? I'd be tempted to lash out on how much worse the Bush administration was in terms of suspending civil liberties, ignoring human rights and violating basics of the rule of law, but I'mma let you finish.

Also, never fear! You have these brave men defending the glory of the Western civilisation:


But what about Obama's plan to inspect all incoming and outgoing internet phone calls and emails? :)

http://technology.ne...p-internet.html

When Bush did that for the international telephone lines, the left went apeshit. Obama proposes it for the internet and you barely hear a blip. I wonder why? ;)

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 03:17 AM

I love how in the Netherlands, the most left party is vehemently against this kind of privacy-infringement. In fact, the SP was even chosen as the most privacy-protecting party around.

Oh, America. Land of the free.



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Posted 21 October 2010 - 10:30 AM


Pajamas Media's Andrew Klavan explaining the current trends in American Politics: the Extremists are coming!


Right?! If further explanations are needed, visit Pajamas Media or Pajamas TV.
Disclaimer: these links are not recommended reading for Revora's political correct constituency. Please MoveOn.

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 02:03 PM


... I'd be tempted to lash out on how much worse the Bush administration was ...

Now, what's wrong with Bush-bashing ... it's an argument that's likely to be used even two years from now.

Whoever is to blame, maybe the average American facing unemployment and foreclosure just don't buy hope anymore. You may keep the change.

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To avoid any further confusion or disagreement on why the American electorate are behaving so strange these days, why don't we just take the easy road and explain it in a pure scientific way ... like neuro-anatomist Janeane Garofalo:

In my opinion, the validity of this statements is obvious. :dry:

I wouldn't really buy the hope thing anymore, either. Trying to fix 8 years of disastrous neo-con policy in the midst of two unwinnable wars and a public debt of over $9 trillion is nigh impossible. Of course instead of trying to fix things one can also mindlessly run on and accelerate the downfall of a world super power.

Also, that video is a shame.


Accountability for what? I'd be tempted to lash out on how much worse the Bush administration was in terms of suspending civil liberties, ignoring human rights and violating basics of the rule of law, but I'mma let you finish.

Also, never fear! You have these brave men defending the glory of the Western civilisation:


But what about Obama's plan to inspect all incoming and outgoing internet phone calls and emails? :)

http://technology.ne...p-internet.html

When Bush did that for the international telephone lines, the left went apeshit. Obama proposes it for the internet and you barely hear a blip. I wonder why? ;)

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I hadn't heard of that, but it's outrageous. I'll have to read a bit more about this. It's a shame that any government (obviously no matter the political side) always wishes to limit its citizen's liberties.
I'm actually quite disappointed by Obama and his accomplishments so far. However, I suppose for diametrically opposite reasons than you are...



Pajamas Media's Andrew Klavan explaining the current trends in American Politics: the Extremists are coming!

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Disclaimer: these links are not recommended reading for Revora's political correct constituency. Please MoveOn.

Thumbs up for quality journalism ;)

Even if it was true that the American "mainstream" was "far left" and the Tea Party guys "normal" or "moderate", that would make it all the worse. US politics move along the right side of the political spectrum enough as-is.

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 04:06 PM

If he thinks the rent is too high where he is, he should try living in the UK where a person can expect to lose as much as 2/3rds of their wages on rent.

And the other third on extortionate council tax and bills.

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 04:20 PM


My political compass has taken a sharp turn ... The rent is too damn high.

Do you actually know who owns your house/flat? Are you sure that the ones you're paying to has any legal right to receive that too damn high rent?

I'm not joking, sorry:

A shiny new crisis
A new economic crisis is brewing in the USA. After the Subprime Mortgage Crisis of 2007 and the Financial Crisis of 2008, the US economy is faced with a looming 'Foreclosure Fraud' Crisis. A crisis that The New American calls 'an epic legal and economic meltdown that would make the crisis of 2007-2008 look like the proverbial Chinese tea party'.

The cause of the crisis can be traced back to two phenomena that have taken hold of the US real estate sector over the last two decades:
1) repackaging and reselling of mortgages and
2) forging (euphemistically called 'recreating') the so-called "chain of title".
The chain of title is the proper (signed) documentation that records who is the lender of the mortgage and who is it that owes the lender.

In the nineties of last century it became fashionable to sell mortgages to other parties. Mortgages were sold, repackaged, and sold again. In the process a bewildering array of mortgage-backed securities was created to underwrite this new market. The United States mortgage business not only went national but international as investors worldwide rushed to get a piece of the lucrative American real estate sector.

To help streamline the process, a national mortgage electronic registry called MERS (Mortgage Electronic Registration System) was created, whose purpose was to streamline the transfer of mortgages by helping to avoid the costs and inconveniences of recording mortgages at local courthouses. The biggest problem with this system is that the note, the part of a US mortgage which empowers creditors to enforce the terms of the mortgage, typically lacks the requisite signatures, breaking the chain of title. And when the chain is broken, neither lender nor home-owner can be properly identified: All of a sudden nobody owns the home for which the mortgage was written.

That this was the case for many mortgages came out only when the number of foreclosures started to rise. Before, owners weren't aware because banks simply didn't inform them mortgages were in the possession of other banks. And as long as payments were made, nobody but the banks was any the wiser. But all of a sudden delinquent home-owners (and even some that weren't) started to get eviction notices from companies they'd never heard of and certainly did not sign the mortgage with. Many home-owners contested the eviction in court. That is when the massive breaking of the chain of title was discovered.

But there is that second aspect of the story: the fraud. Of course, the banks were aware that the legal basis of the mortgages, the chain of title, was corrupted. Hence, many banks used the services of obscure and frankly sleazy companies that offered 'recreated' (which means: forged) documents to re-establish the chain of title.

... Read it all at Klein Verzet


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Posted 25 October 2010 - 10:16 PM

I hope people realize that the political system is one of two big powers in the western world. The other one being massive corporations with laughable sums of money available to them.

In theory, the political system is the one that supposedly creates the rules for the corporations. But that rarely happens in the western world because we got big firms with money to buy politicians, lawyers and demonstrators.

Now this we don't see much of in good times, but in bad times people start demanding reforms and politicians start growing some balls. What do the corporate powers do then, when the loyal minions bite the hand that feeds? They say "You Have Outlived Your Usefulness", and create a purging flood. This involves a few basic steps.

step 1. Put all blame of economic incompetence on politicians, people who have never really had any hand on the steering wheel beyond creating rules to help the common man.

step 2. Create a new generation of pro-capitalist politicians with little knowledge or competence within economics, but with fine buzzwords and plenty of spindoctors. Bonus points if they learn a philosophy that claim "things were better back in the old days and that we should go back to the basic rules" that are flawed in a modern society.

step 3. Overthrow or hamstring any pro-reform government that rose because of economic downturns: Profit the old fashioned way.


You might think the tea-party is the solution to this economic downturn, but it is merely a defense mechanism of the powers above our politicians. They might not win an election, but they will make it hard to mess with the rich. Another trick could be that once the big-boys get some people of their choosing controlling the nation, they'll squeeze a ton of cash into the economy, making it look like what they are doing is good for the economy, while it really is nothing but smoke and mirrors.


Pro tea-party people seem to be very averse of a intrusive government, but have the considered the alternative? Less bureaucracy and less taxes all sound fine and mighty, but when there are no rules to stop the corporations from squeezing any small time entrepreneur by underselling them until they go bankrupt... It will be one step forward and ten steps back. The political system is like a middle-man in a firm, it gets heat from above and below. If those above don't like the middle-management, its not hard for them to pay off someone below to turn up the heat.

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Posted 26 October 2010 - 12:02 AM

I hope people realize that the political system is one of two big powers in the western world. The other one being massive corporations with laughable sums of money available to them.

In theory, the political system is the one that supposedly creates the rules for the corporations. But that rarely happens in the western world because we got big firms with money to buy politicians, lawyers and demonstrators.

Now this we don't see much of in good times, but in bad times people start demanding reforms and politicians start growing some balls. What do the corporate powers do then, when the loyal minions bite the hand that feeds? They say "You Have Outlived Your Usefulness", and create a purging flood. This involves a few basic steps.

step 1. Put all blame of economic incompetence on politicians, people who have never really had any hand on the steering wheel beyond creating rules to help the common man.

step 2. Create a new generation of pro-capitalist politicians with little knowledge or competence within economics, but with fine buzzwords and plenty of spindoctors. Bonus points if they learn a philosophy that claim "things were better back in the old days and that we should go back to the basic rules" that are flawed in a modern society.

step 3. Overthrow or hamstring any pro-reform government that rose because of economic downturns: Profit the old fashioned way.


You might think the tea-party is the solution to this economic downturn, but it is merely a defense mechanism of the powers above our politicians. They might not win an election, but they will make it hard to mess with the rich. Another trick could be that once the big-boys get some people of their choosing controlling the nation, they'll squeeze a ton of cash into the economy, making it look like what they are doing is good for the economy, while it really is nothing but smoke and mirrors.


Pro tea-party people seem to be very averse of a intrusive government, but have the considered the alternative? Less bureaucracy and less taxes all sound fine and mighty, but when there are no rules to stop the corporations from squeezing any small time entrepreneur by underselling them until they go bankrupt... It will be one step forward and ten steps back. The political system is like a middle-man in a firm, it gets heat from above and below. If those above don't like the middle-management, its not hard for them to pay off someone below to turn up the heat.

So let me paraphrase so I understand this better. You don't like laughable sums of money, you don't like big corporations, you don't like government, nor do you like the status-quo. Is there anything you do like? Like living in a grass hut maybe? I'm very glad there is a Tea Party. Because even if they lose at least it keeps the politicians looking over their shoulder and not assuming we're all stupid and want to live in grass huts while they fly around in tax payer funded private jets.

I also LOVE profit the old fashioned way. It was very...how do I say. PROFITABLE. I'm glad even Europe is beginning to come back to the right a bit and begin questioning the whole socialist "government will solve all your problems" mentality that will bankrupt a nation. It's simply not sustainable.

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Posted 26 October 2010 - 02:59 AM

I'm very glad there is a Tea Party. Because even if they lose at least it keeps the politicians looking over their shoulder and not assuming we're all stupid


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Posted 26 October 2010 - 04:36 AM

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Posted 26 October 2010 - 01:16 PM

Quick note on youtube-link in #5 that i forgot to mention: That's the worst load of hippie-bullshit I've heard in ages, and it is a typic example of strawman leftist from the states. I bet she earns her money by being a strawman and preaches conservative philosofies to her friends and family.

So let me paraphrase so I understand this better. You don't like laughable sums of money, you don't like big corporations, you don't like government, nor do you like the status-quo. Is there anything you do like? Like living in a grass hut maybe? I'm very glad there is a Tea Party. Because even if they lose at least it keeps the politicians looking over their shoulder and not assuming we're all stupid and want to live in grass huts while they fly around in tax payer funded private jets.

I also LOVE profit the old fashioned way. It was very...how do I say. PROFITABLE. I'm glad even Europe is beginning to come back to the right a bit and begin questioning the whole socialist "government will solve all your problems" mentality that will bankrupt a nation. It's simply not sustainable.



I'm skeptical about excess in any direction, be it conservative, socialistic, communistic, autocratic or otherwise. Chavez rings a bell here, Berlusconi and Putin on the other side.
I'm all for big political events, but they should be well thought through and moderate in appliance. The world is currently too lenient on corporations in my opinion, but governments tend to choke the little man with paperwork that is designed to slow the big man down. Governments need to support small-time fledglings and keep the law on top of the big-timers.

You can assume someone beyond you and your neighbors are much more likely to use and abuse whatever "curses and blessings" you get from your government. It's like hackers in multiplayer games, cheating just to get a good score, unlock all the achievements, get large amounts of gold to sell off for real-life money etc etc. Without good admins you can't really play fair. And if on top of that the hackers have earned enough money to buy off the admins, you got yourself a problematic situation :xcahik_:


I'm saying that I like pro-"common man protection rules" because if it wasn't there, we would still be getting hands amputated in crude steam-machinery while working in china-like conditions 16hours per day until we die at 30 of cancer from various toxins. Freedom to do what you want as long as it doesn't encroach on other people's freedoms. Naturally this can theoretically cause "I'm insulted because you're insulted" spirals where nothing can happen because whatever you do it theoretically encroaches on someone's freedom.

Liberty is not merely from your government, it is also from the other powers that be. I think that the tea-party movement forgets this very important fact. Can they give me details on how to avoid having large corporations take up the mantle after the government loses it?


On the topic of Europe, its mostly a social right-wing wind blowing around. Not much economic difference to be had compared to US politics. People don't really care that much about their cash around here as long as they don't have to see a minaret on every corner ;).
Trying to earn cash the "old fashioned profitable way" today would probably go over the "other people's freedom" line quickly.

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Posted 26 October 2010 - 08:26 PM

NOTE: there is more to the quote. Please see the entire context. ;)


If those Tea Party morons rose to power, many Americans would greatly impoverize. Unless you think most of the population is really so great at fending for themselves, or that people are keen on helping others out. Pretty delusional thinking, that is. The only difference is that it wouldn't be government officials flying in expensive jets, but corporate managers.

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 06:22 AM

If the American people were so great at fending for themselves, those resurging Hoovervilles wouldn't exist as everyone would've set up their own business and be successful and happy. Same goes for over here, although we aren't quite at the stages of Hoovervilles.

America isn't the land of milk and honey it purports to be - for someone to be at the top, there also must be someone (typically a whole lot of people who have a role every bit as important to the organisation as a whole, but whose contribution to the success of that organisation is less valued) at the bottom. It stands to reason.

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 09:22 AM


Quick note on youtube-link in #5 that i forgot to mention: That's the worst load of hippie-bullshit I've heard in ages, and it is a typic example of strawman leftist from the states. I bet she earns her money by being a strawman and preaches conservative philosofies to her friends and family.

Oh, she IS a genuine left-winger, atheist, with associations to MoveOn.org and Code Pink, has been campaigning for Howard Dean, and recently known as Tea Party hater and anti-white racist; so, the way she preaches is not atypical for the rhetorics of the leftish church ... or, as an increasing number of honest reporters and political commentators label it: 'political correctness on steroids'.

However, the tea Party is neither a centralized movement nor limited only to single issues; there are several very potent sub-currents, and not all of their activists are white, cf. this example:


According to Pajamas Media's polls, about 35% (margin 4%) of black voters do now support Tea Party candidates, and of all likely voters around 50%. You can find a lot of information on the Tea Party movement at Pajamas Media or Pajamas TV, in sections like Joe Hicks' 'Minority Report', 'Tea Party TV' and 'Tea Party Tracking Polls'.

... I'm very glad there is a Tea Party. Because even if they lose at least it keeps the politicians looking over their shoulder and not assuming we're all stupid ...

I simply love this movement ... reminds me of the people revolting against communist totalitarianism in Eastern Europe in the late eighties ... also, it's rather close to the core values of Danish political mentality.

In my opinion, the Tea Party has nothing to lose, and I believe that we'll not see the full impact in this election, but rather in 2012, 2014 and 2016 ... the big question will be, in the short term how the GOP will react to this challenge, and later what the consequences will be for the Democrats. I did follow the PUMA's rather closely in 2008, and there sure are a lot more disillusioned and angry democrats now ... and I believe that their anger are more deeply rooted now than in the case of the Reagan-democrats a generation ago.

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... I'm glad even Europe is beginning to come back to the right a bit and begin questioning the whole socialist "government will solve all your problems" mentality that will bankrupt a nation. It's simply not sustainable.

Oh yeah, the tide is starting to turn; so far we've only seen the first ripples, though they are rapidly gaining momentum. Times they are a-changin' ...


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Posted 27 October 2010 - 12:01 PM

Oh, she IS a genuine left-winger, atheist, with associations to MoveOn.org and Code Pink, has been campaigning for Howard Dean, and recently known as Tea Party hater and anti-white racist; so, the way she preaches is not atypical for the rhetorics of the leftish church ... or, as an increasing number of honest reporters and political commentators label it: 'political correctness on steroids'.


She is certainly not helping, unless she is there to beat in the head of liberal/leftist idiots, which probably are equal in numbers compared to conservative/rightist idiots. Stuff like that would get you laughed off the political scene around here.

And now to balance this thread a bit, here's some information about the Coffee Party.

Its mission states that it is based on the underlying principle that the government is "not the enemy of the people, but the expression of our collective will, and that we must participate in the democratic process in order to address the challenges we face as Americans." Its slogan is "Wake Up and Stand Up."[7] Its stated goals include getting cooperation in government and removing corporate influence from politics.


bolded and underlined the part I Like about that group.
http://www2.tbo.com/...rty-convention/

"I believe now that parties are not the answer," said Gloria LeBlanc, 66, of St. Augustine, a retired middle school language arts teacher and registered Democrat who said she previously limited her political activity to voting.

Since attending her first coffee party meeting a year ago, LeBlanc has been unstoppable, zigzagging her state from end to end visiting with coffee party groups.

Echoing the group's central message, LeBlanc said it doesn't make sense to simply be faithful to a party "as opposed to (doing) what makes sense for the country."


This sounds a bit disturbing and Chinese like to begin with, but comparing the american Two-party system and some European nations with 6+ political parties, I consider it a step in the right direction.

http://news.yahoo.co...csinternetparty

The Tea Party "is a rebirth of the extreme right-wing, social conservative movement... A majority of their group are white Christian activists. Basically, they support people that have the wealth and the power," said 65-year-old Gregg Reynolds.

The discussion quickly turned to how political parties are financed, the Coffee Party's main bone of contention.

"The way we finance elections makes politicians so vulnerable to basically being bribed because they need millions of dollars to run in campaigns," Park told the meeting.

"They become drug addicts and lobbyists become drug dealers and this is why lobbyists can write legislation. We have a corrupt system right now."


Amen to that.

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