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#1 olli

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 06:08 PM

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 06:40 PM

Disgraceful is about all I can say :/.

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 07:54 PM

And they're immigrants who are living with benefits and are subsidized by that country... What the hell, deport them straight away to the desert they came from.
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Posted 11 November 2010 - 08:13 PM

It's a bunch of twerps deliberately trying to start a fight between themselves and the EDL by taunting them via their own message boards and such. The fact they were even allowed to amass is pretty stupid, let alone continue their 'protest', when they were obviously trying to incite violence.

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 09:06 PM

Sometimes I just don't want to live in this country any more. That there are people who would do this is saddening in a profound way. The two minutes silence every Armistice Day is a sign of respect to all those who have died defending what they believed in. I hesitate to say it, but hardcore Muslims like these should be able to appreciate that more than most. Today should be a gesture of peace and remembrance. I would be quite happy to deport all those involved, or if they're born-and-bred English, exile them. I don't care where they go.
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Posted 11 November 2010 - 09:18 PM

all those who have died defending what they believed in.


And that's exactly what these muslims are doing. Defending what they believe in. Disregarding the fact that it isn't really under attack and they're just overzealous idiots with a persecution complex and a mutilated penis.

But yes, these guys are a bunch of assholes, stretched beyond measure. The sheer amount of ignorance and disrespect is baffling.

Still, I wouldn't deport or exile them. They didn't break any laws that warrant such a course of action, as far as I know. Just take away any subsidising their group(s) might enjoy, and fine them heavily for disturbing the peace.

And, most importantly, PAY NO FURTHER ATTENTION TO THEM. That is what they want.

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 09:40 PM


1) Those thugs might be few (at the demonstration), but what you read on their signs are taught in almost every mosque in the UK, every Friday ...

2) ... so even if they probably don't consider themselves British, those fanatic young Muslims of today will be tomorrows Rulers of Britain.

3) As most of you are kids or youngsters, you will come to experience this in your own lifetime, and most likely even before you reach old age.

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 10:17 PM

I'd assume most Western nations have most mosques bugged and agents among the flock to make sure they get their hands on such information and the people that go to them.

We had a news-report a week back about Iranian mullas being sent to Iranian-owned mosques up here, preaching hateful things and soliciting people to be ready to act against the nation they are in. Iranian diplomats were pretty annoyed by this and said it was lies, but it has been proven by many attenders.

They aren't that different from those American demonstrators that goes to soldier funerals and say they will burn in hell.

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 11:56 PM

They held banners which read 'Islam will dominate' and 'Our dead are in paradise, your dead are in hell'.


I wonder if they are trying to tell us something....hmmm. I can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe it's a sign of peace or something.
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It's only a matter of time until peace loving folks are going to have to face a troubling fact. There isn't going to be much room for Europeans in Europe in a few decades. There is a growing, dominate, and aggressive population permeating the continent of Europe. They are angry Muslims who have a pyromania mentality to anything non-Muslim.

And they are coming for you and your family. They only care about women and children if they are Muslims, yours are expendible. You can't negotiate with religious people who yearn to die for the sake of killing you and your family. How do you reason with that?

You could do like Matias said, you could ignore them and hope they go away like a set of rotten teeth falling out. But that isn't going to happen. We tried that in WWII with Hitler. I don't foresee a good outcome for this situation. It's a worldwide case of domestic bedbugs infesting the world with Islam. You swat 1 and 5 more bite you. Do you stop swatting them and lay down to die, or do you find a bigger fly swatter? I don't have an answer that doesn't include some serious military violence. And no one, including me, has the stomach for that.

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 01:09 AM

Still, I wouldn't deport or exile them. They didn't break any laws that warrant such a course of action, as far as I know.

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"So there must have been proved to have been an act of such a lewd, obscene or disgusting nature as to amount to an outrage on public decency. It is not necessary to prove that the act in fact disgusted those in whose purview it was committed. It is sufficient if it is calculated so to do. So far as the public nature of the offence is concerned, it must be proved that more than one person must at least have been able to see the act. If one person is proved to have seen the act and others might have seen it taking place, that is enough."



Not to mention locking every single one of them up for incitement to ethnic/racial hatred, contrary to the Public Order Act 1986, Breach of the Peace...hell, I could cite a half-dozen laws they're breaking. I haven't even got to the moral outcry yet. By all means oppose the war - I certainly do, and would be happier to see the troops come home - but to shoot your mouth like that is beyond a joke. Who do they think saved their arse from the Germans? Because God knows Hitler hated muslims nearly as much as he hated jews... that, or they're sore because they (under the Ottoman banner) happened to lose the first war to us. Can't win 'em all.

Just take away any subsidising their group(s) might enjoy and fine them heavily for disturbing the peace.

LOL you're assuming there that our government has a spine. Which it doesn't. It's big on appeasement, as I'm sure you'll notice by the way our glorious leaders have dealt with the EU over the years. Talking nice doesn't help in that situation, it doesn't help with criminals, and it doesn't help with extremists. They need to be dealt with firmly but fairly, so as not to have them seen as martyrs.

Besides, who would be paying the fine really? These scrotes probably already are on benefits, so they'd effectively be paying themselves.


OK, OK, stepping back this is a Daily Wail article but in fairness you can't really dress up photos like that. I didn't read the article - their articles are so slanted as to actually be perpendicular but a picture tells a thousand words. They do more than biased 'journalism' ever could.

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 10:40 AM

You could do like Matias said, you could ignore them and hope they go away like a set of rotten teeth falling out. But that isn't going to happen. We tried that in WWII with Hitler.


They are a minority. They are not coming for me or my family. Most of them are just regular people living their particular life of hardship as we all do. There are also assholes, but as I said, they are in the minority. Now, the Hitler reference is a dangerous one, firstly because there were some serious economic and social issues in Germany at the time that allowed him to come to power, issues that do not exist in the Netherlands or Britain, or Europe as a whole. And we did not ignore Hitler, he was told by a couple of prominent European countries that he was permitted to act out his agenda (as it was at the time). That was a mistake, the scale of which is utterly incomparable to the situation of a few extremists screaming obscenities nowadays. Until those extremists manage to actually get elected into high offices and start practising fascist expansionism and starting death camps, then you might be able to namedrop old Adolf and actually manage to scare me. Until then, stop using fear as a technique in debate because it's fucking pathetic.

And trust me, it will never go that far.

Ash, I said they didn't break any laws that warrant deportation or exile. Not that they didn't do anything wrong legally. Clearly they did.

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 11:58 AM

The whole point of it was more of a goading to the rest of the country. To try and get a response... to try and provoke the British Public. They want media coverage and they want people to get all riled up. The irony of it is, the soldiers they condemn and say must burn in hell, have fought for their right and freedom to protest about it. I feel sorry for the Police officers, must be a huge internal conflict for them to escort the protesters. But the only reason they are doing it is because they know if they didn't, the headlines the next day would be "50 Muslim protesters died in riot"... especially with the EDL kicking around. Not good for the international front. Just attracts even more unnecessary protesting and retribution.

I do have a feeling that extremists realise that they know they have a carte Blanche to do what the hell they want, and nothing will happen to them. Britain proclaims it is a free country, and "we shall never ever ever be slaves" etc. We all have free speech and the right to protest about what's bothering us and all that. However, even though the majority of the country will be disgusted by this and think awful things, we can't be seen by the rest of the world to look like we have double standards...if the police charged in with batons; WE are the ones that look in the wrong in the eyes of the world. WE are the ones that will attract more retribution. We can’t seem to be hypocritical, which is why this stuff is allowed to go on, regardless what the rest of the country might think. I’m not saying I agree with it, at all. It’s disgusting.

But it is bordering on Hate speech...
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Posted 12 November 2010 - 12:22 PM

It isn't bordering on hate speech. It is hate speech.

I must've misread Matias - to be honest if you're a foreign national and you do something wrong in my country why should you still have leave to remain here? Get rid. Why do we always fight extradition to the States, where criminals are occasionally actually punished?

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 02:04 PM

It all depends on if they also have a British passport, ie. are they legally occupying the country as citizens. If they are, they have the same rights as any Briton born in Britain. Would a Briton be exiled for doing what these extremists did? I don't think so. I don't think anybody gets exiled/kicked out anyway because they'd have no place to go. Condemned to annoying foreign officials for the rest of their lives. Ha.

I know it may seem skewed from an emotional perspective, but if they are British citizens they have the same rights. By all means, punish them for the crimes they probably committed, but don't give in to irrational urges.

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 02:30 PM


You could do like Matias said, you could ignore them and hope they go away like a set of rotten teeth falling out. But that isn't going to happen. We tried that in WWII with Hitler.

... the Hitler reference is a dangerous one ... we did not ignore Hitler, he was told by a couple of prominent European countries that he was permitted to act out his agenda ... that was a mistake, the scale of which is utterly incomparable to the situation of a few extremists screaming obscenities nowadays ... it's fucking pathetic.

And trust me, it will never go that far.

So, you advocate 'peace in our time', like Chamberlain once did, with 'the religion of peace'?

If I was to be a little rude, I would say that your knowledge of Islam is fucking pathetic, but as you're only repeating 'the narrative' of political correctness, I'll have you excused. However, 'the narrative' and it's delusive apologies for Islam is already cracking up in the political discourse in a number of European countries; latest in Germany following the publication of Thilo Sarrazin's book 'Deutschland schafft sich ab' ... in Denmark this has been an ongoing process for about the last ten years, and especially since the publications of the Motoons in September 2005 almost any critical book on Islam has become best-sellers.

So, please make yourself a little more educated on the subject; that would make way for a more substantial debate.

On the subject of Islam and Nazism: two German scholars have written a very comprehensive study on this, published in Germany 2007 by Wissenschaftliche Buchgesellschaft, Darmstadt: Klaus-Michael Mallmann und Martin Cüppers "Halbmond und Hakenkreuz" [Crescent and Swastika]. I only have it in Danish translation from 2008, but I guess that it's also out in English language by now.

If you ever read it, you'll understand that Hostile's remark is in fact much more on the mark than yours.


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Posted 12 November 2010 - 02:48 PM


You could do like Matias said, you could ignore them and hope they go away like a set of rotten teeth falling out. But that isn't going to happen. We tried that in WWII with Hitler.

... the Hitler reference is a dangerous one ... we did not ignore Hitler, he was told by a couple of prominent European countries that he was permitted to act out his agenda ... that was a mistake, the scale of which is utterly incomparable to the situation of a few extremists screaming obscenities nowadays ... it's fucking pathetic.

And trust me, it will never go that far.

So, you advocate 'peace in our time', like Chamberlain once did, with 'the religion of peace'?

If I was to be a little rude, I would say that your knowledge of Islam is fucking pathetic, but as you're only repeating 'the narrative' of political correctness, I'll have you excused. However, 'the narrative' and it's delusive apologies for Islam is already cracking up in the political discourse in a number of European countries; latest in Germany following the publication of Thilo Sarrazin's book 'Deutschland schafft sich ab' ... in Denmark this has been an ongoing process for about the last ten years, and especially since the publications of the Motoons in September 2005 almost any critical book on Islam has become best-sellers.

So, please make yourself a little more educated on the subject; that would make way for a more substantial debate.

On the subject of Islam and Nazism: two German scholars have written a very comprehensive study on this, published in Germany 2007 by Wissenschaftliche Buchgesellschaft, Darmstadt: Klaus-Michael Mallmann und Martin Cüppers "Halbmond und Hakenkreuz" [Crescent and Swastika]. I only have it in Danish translation from 2008, but I guess that it's also out in English language by now.

If you ever read it, you'll understand that Hostile's remark is in fact much more on the mark than yours.


Ah, so you are one of those people who think that everything they perceive as evil can and should be linked to the national socialist uprising in 1930's Germany? Please, continue to ignore the obvious social and economic fallacies such a comparison yields, and instill fear by playing upon the historical knowledge (or lack thereof) of the general populace by rehashing images of a short, narrow-mustached little freak.

And what makes you say I am not educated on this subject? The fact that I disagree with your constant walls of text spewing fear and hate based mainly on clearly subjective, agenda-pushing blogs? I am well aware of what is written in their holy book, and the context wherein it was conceived. But I do not know that this relatively small amount of contextual hatemongering is even close to being powerful enough to override the decency of a billion people. The fact of the matter is that extremists make up only a very, very small part of that number. Oh, right, you don't believe that, because of some remark in their 1.5 thousand year old book.

The fact you dare compare the small amount of muslim extremism that is indeed present in the entirety of the European muslim community to events that encompassed a World War and the extermination of millions of innocent lives only proves how little you really know. In fact, I find it very disrepectful and frankly, quite delusional.

I looked up your "comprehensive study" and the first few hits informed me that this compared nazism to muslim fundamentalism. Not Islam in its entirety. Meaning a small part of the actual muslim populace across the world. Meaning it compares the brutal, extremist acts to a small, extremist part of the muslim world. Things that developed through completely different means, are of different magnitude and certainly of different effect.

Also, Hostile compared these couple of extremists in Europe to the rise of Hitler, while that documentary focuses mainly on certain shared goals of Nazists and a sect of islamists, for example expansionism and irrationally hating the Jews. In fact, it mainly focuses on the relations of Himmler and a leader of Jerusalem at the time. If you take that as a reason to compare the sheer amount of violence, terror, death and trauma caused by Hitler and his organized army of thousands to a few hatemongering little men screaming at memorials because that's the only way people will hear them, well, good luck with that. I will just continue to live my life with a more objective, rational outlook on things.

But, once again, you'll probably refuse to see the difference between fundamentalism/extremism and the millions upon millions of regular people, so whatever.

And I like how eager you are to stamp the POLITICALLY CORRECT sign onto my forehead. All because I did not agree with comparing muslims to nazis, because it's such a commonly used fear tactic. How on earth is that politically correct? Perhaps next time you should say what you really mean by that label, "YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH ME THEREFORE YOU ARE WRONG". A very effective way of dismissing opinions? To your ilk, perhaps.

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 03:54 PM


Sleep well. :p


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Posted 12 November 2010 - 04:03 PM

You too.

If you can, with all the unfounded paranoïa and all.

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 04:17 PM

How about that! I only compared the two on the order of ignoring an issue until it is near impossible to correct. I wasn't insinuating the idealogies are the same.

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 04:24 PM

So you did indeed, and I did not initially respond as if you didn't; I merely pointed out the danger of comparing anything to Hitler in a debate, because the comparison is often totally fallacious and misplaced. Yours is no exception. The dangers are not comparable.

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