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#1 Beowulf

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 06:54 AM

Oh, and I put together a new PC. :p

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Here's the motherboard...
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The RAM and SSD...
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The fucker lives!
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My cabling jobs are pretty shitty... if you look hard enough at where that IDE cable goes, there is indeed a hard drive mounted in a DVD drive bay.
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And here she is at my desk, in all its dual screen glory! And I cleaned my desk up too. Oh, and yeah, that is a box of floppy disks on the left.
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Posted 14 November 2010 - 10:38 AM

wicked !!!!!

1. have you tested the video card on SF4 YET !!

2. WIN7 PRO is definately the way to go

3. make sure you have enough cooling..

I put a fan on the side of the shell in the one I made recently just to be sure ;)


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Posted 15 November 2010 - 09:05 PM

Hmm, your harddisks don't make a lot of sense to me. SSD, great, but the others are so small by modern standards, and wtf, IDE?! :)
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Posted 15 November 2010 - 09:55 PM

The IDE drives are relics from my old PC that I stripped to complete this one. The drives still work so why buy new parts when I have good equipment?

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Posted 15 November 2010 - 10:13 PM

Planning on buying myself another 3dcomputer within a few weeks, prolly going to have a SSD disk on the OS there. Though I will be going for a I7 cpu of sorts. Speaking of which, your cpu seems a bit slow on the Ghz compared to what I'm seeing online for it.

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Posted 23 December 2010 - 04:29 AM

Bumparoo because I upgraded! I finally traded out my stalwart 9600GT for a GTX460, ridded my case of IDE, installed 2 new hard drives and installed a dedicated sound card. The cabling still sucks, but everything is so incredible so far.

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:30 PM

Cabling doesn't matter imo. Putting Harddrives where there is room and cool air is all good imo :p. My local Computer-shop boss mentioned last time i talked SSD with him that he had faith in them combi-SSD/SATA disks... Any words of wisdom on this heresy?

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Posted 29 December 2010 - 12:14 AM

They're a mixed bag. I've seen tests that mark them as amazing, and others that draw the opposite conclusion. If you want SSD speed, get an SSD.

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Posted 29 December 2010 - 08:25 PM

SSDs have good speed, but they have more limited writeovers than a regular drive - apparently if it's stuff you don't intend to directly edit (you can access as much as you fancy), they're fantabulous but if you're doing a lot of editing it can be less-than-reliable.

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Posted 29 December 2010 - 09:40 PM

I thought that was a myth and even with a lot of write cycles they would last about 20 years.

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 08:02 AM

Write cycles are no myth. SSDs do have the potential for a short lifespan if you perform a lot of successive writes and burn a ton of write cycles at once. Most consumer drives are rated for tens of thousands of write cycles and do last a good while (read: a few years with proper maintenance) without any major troubles. Also, TRIM helps quite a bit.

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 12:59 AM

I have no doubt that an SSD is great, as I have heard many good things about them. I have never had the chance to use one though. The only disadvantages I've heard about is that you cannot defrag an SSD because it's an electronic device. I also know that SSD's typically have less storage space than an HDD, but I have seen SSDs go up to 250 GB which is way more than I'd ever need.

I have no doubt that SSDs are the future though and I'm sure that the storage space will improve as time goes on...but I do wonder about the inability to defrag. Does anyone know if that will really effect the performance since it is a SSD? I honestly don't know, so that's why I'm asking.
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Posted 19 January 2011 - 02:53 AM

You don't really need to defrag so much with an SSD, considering it's instant-access. It's basically a glorified flash drive, and when was the last time you had to defrag one of those?

SSDs currently are lower on storage, higher on speed and consequently higher on price.

For the same price as you can get an SSD, you can get two HDD drives each of which has double the SSD's capacity. The funny thing about capacity, Squall, you say that 250GB is more than you'll ever need - you'll be amazed how quickly you can fill it without trying. A couple of meaty game installs, a bit of music, a movie or two and you're already dangerously close to your capacity. I have a 500gb, 250gb, 2x1tb and a 750gb external. I have about 50% of that total left, and that's after having a couple of big clear-outs.

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 08:02 AM

I have no doubt that an SSD is great, as I have heard many good things about them. I have never had the chance to use one though. The only disadvantages I've heard about is that you cannot defrag an SSD because it's an electronic device. I also know that SSD's typically have less storage space than an HDD, but I have seen SSDs go up to 250 GB which is way more than I'd ever need.

Solid states drives are flash drives basically. There are no moving parts. Since they work on flash cells, reads/writes are limited and each time you overwrite a block, you slowly degrade the capacity and capability of that cell. A full write cycle, however, is not complete until you overwrite the full drive one full time. And keep in mind that consumer drives are rated for tens of thousands of write cycles. Even though their time is limited, it's not as short as you would expect.

I have no doubt that SSDs are the future though and I'm sure that the storage space will improve as time goes on...but I do wonder about the inability to defrag. Does anyone know if that will really effect the performance since it is a SSD? I honestly don't know, so that's why I'm asking.

Because of the way SSDs work, defragging is very bad for them since that uses a lot of write cycles. Reading is fine, it's writing that becomes an issue. The more you unnecessarily write to a flash cell, the quicker it dies and subsequently, the quicker the entire drive dies. The only application for consumer drives really is being a boot drive at this time. Unless you can afford an enterprise class SSD, you're stuck with a boot drive. That's what I currently use for my OS drive and it's incredible. It is lightning fast.

You, also, cannot treat an SSD like a traditional hard drive. You'll burn it out a lot faster if you do. There are plenty of optimization guides available on the web. You say 250GB is enough? A 250GB will run around $300 to $400, which is far from cost effective. Snag a 32/64GB SSD, run Windows 7 and core apps, then use traditional drives for games and storage. That's currently what I do and it's good times.

You don't really need to defrag so much with an SSD, considering it's instant-access. It's basically a glorified flash drive, and when was the last time you had to defrag one of those?

It's not so much the instant access, but the way flash cells work. See above.

SSDs currently are lower on storage, higher on speed and consequently higher on price.

The performance boost is amazing. Besides, they are dropping in price fairly steadily and have been doing so for the last year and a half. In 2009, a 60GB OCZ Vertex was around $240; now you can buy a better Agility 2 or Vertex 2 for less than half of that price. Still not ideal, but for the novelty and performance boost, it's well worth the cost. I can vouch for that for sure.

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 03:03 AM

You don't really need to defrag so much with an SSD, considering it's instant-access. It's basically a glorified flash drive, and when was the last time you had to defrag one of those?

SSDs currently are lower on storage, higher on speed and consequently higher on price.

For the same price as you can get an SSD, you can get two HDD drives each of which has double the SSD's capacity. The funny thing about capacity, Squall, you say that 250GB is more than you'll ever need - you'll be amazed how quickly you can fill it without trying. A couple of meaty game installs, a bit of music, a movie or two and you're already dangerously close to your capacity. I have a 500gb, 250gb, 2x1tb and a 750gb external. I have about 50% of that total left, and that's after having a couple of big clear-outs.


I currently have a 250 GB hard drive on my laptop and I still have 130 GB of free space. I use this computer primarily for college purposes, and while I enjoy gaming, I'm not installing games all the time, so for what I use my laptop for, I do not need 250 GB of space.

Beowulf- Oh, I was fully aware of the price of a 250 GB SSD, I never said they were inexpensive. I was just saying that 250 GB is more than I would ever use.

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 01:12 PM

It's not so much the instant access, but the way flash cells work. See above.

Actually both. The way flash cells work is the reason you shouldn't defrag an SSD. The instant access is the reason you don't have to.
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Posted 01 March 2011 - 09:18 AM

Thought I'd ping this thread because there seems to be a ton of new SSD's coming out.

OZS, corsair w. Sandforce, Intel SSD 510. Tells me nothing really, but it seems to make a bit of ruckus on the hardware sites i journey through.

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 10:09 AM

I'd like to put an SSD in my work computer. Most of the time when I'm waiting for it to do something I also hear the disk making a lot of noise, so it should help.
Just need to convince my boss.
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