The Five Wizards
#1
Posted 11 January 2011 - 09:58 PM
"You cannot know anything; only suspect. You must suspect to be wrong. To have overlooked, something, anticipate."
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#2
Posted 12 January 2011 - 01:27 AM
#3
Posted 12 January 2011 - 01:55 AM
He made it clear to Gandalf that Saruman had turned. Yes, it wasn't his purpose, nor did he himself know it, but that was vital.I'm not sure if Radagast did anything, but if he did then it was only one thing: sending eagles to fight for the Free Peoples, and that's it.
And I can't recall whether or not he sent the eagles, but that is still pretty important if that's the case
And IIRC, the blues making magic cults and what-not are merely rumors..?
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#4
Posted 12 January 2011 - 12:30 PM
I don't believe it's ever specifically said that these three wizards went into the east to resist Sauron. It only says that they ventured that way, and that only Saruman returned. It could be that they were merely exploring, and learning all they could (having only arrived in Middle-earth recently).The movement to break Sauron's hold over the Easterlings was made by... Saruman the White, Alatar the Blue, and Pallando the Blue
Again, nothing specific was ever said about what happened to the two blue wizards. The magic cults is only a rough guess by Tolkien, and wasn't relevant to the resistance against Sauron (as Tolkien wrote that only Gandalf fulfilled the purpose of the Istari).The introduction of magic cult traditions in the Easterling Empire... Alatar and Pallando.
Radagast was a close friend of Gandalf, and though he wasn't particularly active in the war against Sauron, he still offered assistance where he could. He offered Saruman the service of birds, in the belief that they were spying against the enemy (when Saruman instead used them for his own purposes). He also met Gandalf as he travelled to Orthanc, and (unwittingly) sent him into Saruman's trap, as well as helped him escape by sending Gwaihir to Orthanc (at Gandalf's request). I don't think Radagast was a member of the White council, but he was looked for by the Council of Elrond (though they couldn't find him). It's possible that Radagast sent the eagles again to the Black Gate, but it isn't specified.I'm not sure if Radagast did anything, but if he did then it was only one thing: sending eagles to fight for the Free Peoples, and that's it.
An interesting side note (source):
According to Gandalf, Radagast was a 'master of shapes and changes of hue' (The Fellowship of the Ring II 2, The Council of Elrond). The meaning of this is open to question, but it seems to suggest that he was skilled at creating phantasms or illusions, or at disguising his appearance.
If Radagast could change his form, or trick the minds of others, that raises the curious possibility that he may have played other parts in the story of The Lord of the Rings than the ones we know. One obvious candidate would be the mysterious stranger encountered by Aragorn and his companions on the borders of Fangorn. This strange figure, never explicitly identified, is generally assumed (and reasonably so) to have been Saruman. On the other hand, his strange behaviour (wandering alone in dangerous territory, and doing no more harm than releasing the company's horses) hints that this just might have been Radagast in Saruman's shape.
But i think he definitely "failed" in his purpose, and didn't definitively aid the war against Sauron. However, i'd certainly say that Radagast was more important than the Blue Wizards, who basically disappeared and were never heard from again.
#5
Posted 12 January 2011 - 06:13 PM
#6
Posted 12 January 2011 - 09:09 PM
Thx
P.S- the Blue Wizards may have also had a minor but important role in the War of the Ring and the Fall of Sauron, but some sources say that they were lost forever in the East or they could have likely been murdered by Saruman.
Edited by KingElessar2384, 12 January 2011 - 09:12 PM.
#7
Posted 12 January 2011 - 10:38 PM
To the professor, John Ronald Reuel Tolkien.
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#9
Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:00 PM
According to the Tolkien Bestiary, they all had pointed hats, large cloaks, white beards, and black travel-boots.In TT the mysterious visitor could have been Gandalf himself or Radagast in Gandalf's disguise not Saruman since in the book, Aragorn states that the old man didn't have a hood but he had a pointed hat (Gandalf has a hat). The reason for the horses escape is linked to this as well: they heard the neigh of Shadowfax, their lord so they probably ran off to meet him, which is why they escaped.
Thx
P.S- the Blue Wizards may have also had a minor but important role in the War of the Ring and the Fall of Sauron, but some sources say that they were lost forever in the East or they could have likely been murdered by Saruman.
And according to the Thain's Book, the Blue Wizards established "magic cult traditions" in the East.
Good insights to this topic, though
"You cannot know anything; only suspect. You must suspect to be wrong. To have overlooked, something, anticipate."
~Malik Al-Sayf, from the original Assassin's Creed from 2007
Yes, I do live by this advice to the best of my ability.
#10
Posted 13 January 2011 - 09:14 PM
#11
Posted 13 January 2011 - 10:57 PM
That doesn't really prove much.
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