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#1 Emperor of the East

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Posted 11 January 2011 - 09:58 PM

I was over-viewing the source material, like the Unfinished Tales, the Tolkien Bestiary, the novel that started it all, the Thain's Book, all to look at the Istari. I was surveying the five of them and their deeds while they were in Middle-earth, and.... Did Radagast the Brown actually do anything their whole visit to Middle-earth? Because the surveying of Dol Guldur was done by... Gandalf the Grey. The movement to break Sauron's hold over the Easterlings was made by... Saruman the White, Alatar the Blue, and Pallando the Blue. The introduction of magic cult traditions in the Easterling Empire... Alatar and Pallando. Movement to Haradrim lands (according to one of Tolkien's letters in Unfinished Tales), Pallando. Occupation of Isengard, Saruman. Founding of Isengard faction, Saruman. Plagiarizing of Sauron's invention called 'Uruk-hai', Saruman. Leading the Fellowship of the Ring, Gandalf. Destruction of the last Balrog, Gandalf. Waging of war on Rohan, Saruman. Corrupting of Theoden, Saruman. Curing of Theoden, Gandalf. Expelling Isengard from Rohan, Gandalf. Defending of Minas Tirith and Faramir from Mordor and from Denethor's insanity, Gandalf. Assistance of Aragorn in his fight to give Frodo extra time to destroy the Ring, Gandalf. Now, the "Scouring of the Shire" was done by some humbled shadow of Saruman. I'm not sure if Radagast did anything, but if he did then it was only one thing: sending eagles to fight for the Free Peoples, and that's it.

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 01:27 AM

Radagast also set birds to sort of spy on Isengard; at Gandalf's request and bring him news, also allowing Mirkwood to learn of the Enemy's advance. He was also one of the most honest wizards, not realizing that Saruman had deceived him when Saruman had asked him to tell Gandalf to see him at Orthanc. Radagast did all these but he failed his true mission which was to rally the Free Peoples against Sauron. But some accounts say that Yavanna (a Vala and Queen of the Earth) sent Radagast only to care for the fauna and flora of Middle -Earth.
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Posted 12 January 2011 - 01:55 AM

I'm not sure if Radagast did anything, but if he did then it was only one thing: sending eagles to fight for the Free Peoples, and that's it.

He made it clear to Gandalf that Saruman had turned. Yes, it wasn't his purpose, nor did he himself know it, but that was vital.

And I can't recall whether or not he sent the eagles, but that is still pretty important if that's the case ;)

And IIRC, the blues making magic cults and what-not are merely rumors..?

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 12:30 PM

The movement to break Sauron's hold over the Easterlings was made by... Saruman the White, Alatar the Blue, and Pallando the Blue

I don't believe it's ever specifically said that these three wizards went into the east to resist Sauron. It only says that they ventured that way, and that only Saruman returned. It could be that they were merely exploring, and learning all they could (having only arrived in Middle-earth recently).

The introduction of magic cult traditions in the Easterling Empire... Alatar and Pallando.

Again, nothing specific was ever said about what happened to the two blue wizards. The magic cults is only a rough guess by Tolkien, and wasn't relevant to the resistance against Sauron (as Tolkien wrote that only Gandalf fulfilled the purpose of the Istari).

I'm not sure if Radagast did anything, but if he did then it was only one thing: sending eagles to fight for the Free Peoples, and that's it.

Radagast was a close friend of Gandalf, and though he wasn't particularly active in the war against Sauron, he still offered assistance where he could. He offered Saruman the service of birds, in the belief that they were spying against the enemy (when Saruman instead used them for his own purposes). He also met Gandalf as he travelled to Orthanc, and (unwittingly) sent him into Saruman's trap, as well as helped him escape by sending Gwaihir to Orthanc (at Gandalf's request). I don't think Radagast was a member of the White council, but he was looked for by the Council of Elrond (though they couldn't find him). It's possible that Radagast sent the eagles again to the Black Gate, but it isn't specified.

An interesting side note (source):

According to Gandalf, Radagast was a 'master of shapes and changes of hue' (The Fellowship of the Ring II 2, The Council of Elrond). The meaning of this is open to question, but it seems to suggest that he was skilled at creating phantasms or illusions, or at disguising his appearance.

If Radagast could change his form, or trick the minds of others, that raises the curious possibility that he may have played other parts in the story of The Lord of the Rings than the ones we know. One obvious candidate would be the mysterious stranger encountered by Aragorn and his companions on the borders of Fangorn. This strange figure, never explicitly identified, is generally assumed (and reasonably so) to have been Saruman. On the other hand, his strange behaviour (wandering alone in dangerous territory, and doing no more harm than releasing the company's horses) hints that this just might have been Radagast in Saruman's shape.


But i think he definitely "failed" in his purpose, and didn't definitively aid the war against Sauron. However, i'd certainly say that Radagast was more important than the Blue Wizards, who basically disappeared and were never heard from again.

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 06:13 PM

What actually Radagast did in his life? ;)

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 09:09 PM

In TT the mysterious visitor could have been Gandalf himself or Radagast in Gandalf's disguise not Saruman since in the book, Aragorn states that the old man didn't have a hood but he had a pointed hat (Gandalf has a hat). The reason for the horses escape is linked to this as well: they heard the neigh of Shadowfax, their lord so they probably ran off to meet him, which is why they escaped.
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P.S- the Blue Wizards may have also had a minor but important role in the War of the Ring and the Fall of Sauron, but some sources say that they were lost forever in the East or they could have likely been murdered by Saruman.

Edited by KingElessar2384, 12 January 2011 - 09:12 PM.

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 10:38 PM

Radgast sent Gwahier to check on Gandalf and lent his crebain to Saruman. He did nothing else.

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 11:33 PM

He also watched over the fauna and flora of Middle Earth as well. Oh yeah, he also allowed the kingdom of Mirkwood to learn of Sauron's advance ;)
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Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:00 PM

In TT the mysterious visitor could have been Gandalf himself or Radagast in Gandalf's disguise not Saruman since in the book, Aragorn states that the old man didn't have a hood but he had a pointed hat (Gandalf has a hat). The reason for the horses escape is linked to this as well: they heard the neigh of Shadowfax, their lord so they probably ran off to meet him, which is why they escaped.
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P.S- the Blue Wizards may have also had a minor but important role in the War of the Ring and the Fall of Sauron, but some sources say that they were lost forever in the East or they could have likely been murdered by Saruman.

According to the Tolkien Bestiary, they all had pointed hats, large cloaks, white beards, and black travel-boots.

And according to the Thain's Book, the Blue Wizards established "magic cult traditions" in the East.

Good insights to this topic, though :p

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 09:14 PM

I re-read the chapter in TT called the White Rider and I found that it must have been Saruman that was Three Hunters met that night, because Gimli asked Gandalf is it was him they saw that night but Gandalf said that it wasn't him and that it could have been Saruman.
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Posted 13 January 2011 - 10:57 PM

It wasn't me! Could have been him... Yes must be him.

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