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[Lauri]

Hey

So, we haven't really paid much attention to it, but now it's starting to get crucial. In The Peloponnesian Wars, we just can't get the damn AI to build units other than Hoplites.
But since we humans can, we get a pretty big advantage to say the least. We've tried a few different things, like altering buildcosts, or changing the order in the commandset for the Barracks, but no matter what we do, the AI only ever builds Hoplites. Hell, even setting Hoplites to 0.0 in skirmishaidata.ini does nothing!

Here's the code from that file;

ArmyMemberDefinition SpartanEkdromoiHorde_Member
        Unit            = SpartanEkdromoiHorde
        PercentageOfArmyPhase1    = 50.0
        PercentageOfArmyPhase2    = 30.0
        PercentageOfArmyPhase3    = 20.0
    End

    ArmyMemberDefinition SpartanPeltastHorde_Member
        Unit            = SpartanPeltastHorde
        PercentageOfArmyPhase1    = 15.0
        PercentageOfArmyPhase2    = 15.0
        PercentageOfArmyPhase3    = 15.0
    End
    
    ArmyMemberDefinition SpartanHopliteHorde_Member
        Unit            = SpartanHopliteHorde
        PercentageOfArmyPhase1    = 35.0
        PercentageOfArmyPhase2    = 50.0
        PercentageOfArmyPhase3    = 60.0
    End
    
    ArmyMemberDefinition SpartanSpartiateHorde_Member
        Unit            = SpartanSpartiateHorde
        PercentageOfArmyPhase1    = 35.0
        PercentageOfArmyPhase2    = 50.0
        PercentageOfArmyPhase3    = 60.0
    End

    ArmyMemberDefinition SpartaBallista_Member
        Unit            = SpartaBallista
        PercentageOfArmyPhase1    = 0.0
        PercentageOfArmyPhase2    = 5.0
        PercentageOfArmyPhase3    = 5.0
    End

Everything else in that file is unchanged. I've also looked around in the various hordes and Ballista to see if there's any indication of priority there, but to no avail...

So, anyone got anything for me?

[Ridder Geel]

Well.. I can only stab around in the dark with this information...
Is there any possibility for me to get the code and all to be able to test theories ingame? (and form new theories)
One is, are there any obvious module changes between these units?
How about maps, I don't suppose it is map specific?
Horde differences?
Some little pieces of code to check for, I have no idea if any of them might cause this, but its worth a shot...

ThreatBreakdown DwarvenGuardianHorde_DetailedThreat
  AIKindOf = INFANTRY
End

    Behavior = HordeAIUpdate ModuleTag_HordeAIUpdate
////....
        AILuaEventsList                = InfantryFunctions    ;
        AttackPriority                = AttackPriority_Infantry
    End

    Behavior = ProductionUpdate ProductionUpdateModuleTag
        GiveNoXP = Yes
    End

    Behavior = PickupStuffUpdate ModuleTag_PickupStuffUpdate
        SkirmishAIOnly = Yes
        StuffToPickUp = NONE +CRATE
        ScanRange = 200
        ScanIntervalSeconds = 0.5
    End

Sadly though, I am not aware of what changes you made to the game, and how exactly your mod works, so pinpointing the problem any further like this will be difficult. Though that does not mean I will stop trying to think of probable causes.

[Lauri]

Well, best bet is simply downloading it (link, 83,7mb). It's unaltered from the beta really. Not sure you need to check it out though..
The various modules you point out are all in the codes, on them all. Hell, the ballista hasn't been touched from the Isengard one except from the regular stuff, like weapons, health, model and strings, and they never build that either.
Do your new units get built by the AI?

Sparta is also the Men faction, so it basically replace the faction throughout for simplicity. Which is why I find it so weird...

[Ridder Geel]

I will see what i can do tomorrow, or whever i exactly have time...
That is wierd indeed...

[JUS_SAURON]

Saw this late ..

What about the Old units ? can they build them ?
Test by having some old code in there and see if the older units come out ..They should
Then do a name swap and see if anything changes eg DwarvenGuardianHorde using SpartanEkdromoiHorde INI and vice versa

EDIT :

Did some testing .. spliced my mod with your art .. and added a SpartanEkdromoiHorde
Basis horde without any powers /upgrades/commandbuttons etc
They are built by AI ...

So you may have to do the unthinkable ....Start over
Start with a blank mod and add only the Hordes .. one by one .. check each one to see if the AI builds it
Then add the System powers etc ...
It may be the only way to discover the reason
The problem is not with the Horde / Unit coding

Edited by JUS_SAURON, 09 June 2012 - 06:10 PM.

[Lauri]

Well, I too did get the AI to build one type of horde...

[Ridder Geel]

Ok, I guess I have some time to look at it now! I will let you know the results

[Ridder Geel]

K can you guys give me whatever .BIG file you use for the Worldbuilder? I want to check some theories... And manually creating the .big for it... is a pain..

[Lauri]

I haven't used WB for anything, and I've checked many of the libraries aswell, nothing to see there.

Btw, JUS, don't take it as I don't appretiate your work, I'm really thankful
I'm pretty sure I'll have to redo it anyways to get it to work, since that is the way things go...

[Ridder Geel]

Then how did you make the Base file?
Don't tell me you hex edited that?

[Lauri]

Anything related to units*

[JUS_SAURON]

I always liked this mod .. can't wait for another update
( It needs some archers and horsemen ) .. and a lion
A few hours of copy pasting on the weekend should get it back functional I'm sure ..
All great mods had to be redone to perfect them

[Mathijs]

There will be archers and horsemen!

[Lauri]

Progress; If I disable the Hoplites, the AI will build Ekdromoi and Peltast. So it might be something there...

Nevermind, figured it out. The AI follows the Commandset rules until it's changed. Since Ekdromoi and Peltast are built at rank 2, it never realize it can build them when the Barracks reaches rank 2.. So a simple commandset update with rank upgrade does the job. I tried by just using the same commandset over again, but it only seemed to build the Ekdromoi then, and not Peltast. So I'm going safe and have 3 identical commandsets, only with _Rank2 and _Rank3 at the back of the latters.

Pretty weird, but hey, it works!

Edited by Lauri, 10 June 2012 - 10:32 PM.

[Ridder Geel]

Aha... That was an odd one... Good you figured it out