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[abesinay]

Just out of curiousity, what are peoples thoughts on this event? A good way to wrap up the saga and had to happen, or lazyness/appealing to younger audiences. I don't know if this has been discussed already, but for me this was always frustrating.

[Ghostrider]

The explanation for this is given in the Thrawn books. Pellaeon was at the defeat and took command when Executor was lost and organised the retreat to Annaj.

Thrawn pointed out years later that the Entire imperial force was being sublty controlled by the Emperor to improve their combat ability. When the emperor was killed this force enhancement was withdrawn from all the Imperial personnel, leaving them unable to make decisions and poorly coordinated.

The analogy Thrawn used was they were all being remotely controlled by similar to a borg implant and when this was removed it had the same effect on the imps that destroying a droid control ship had on battle-droids.

He kinda indicated that if he had been at Endor the result would have been rather different.

[abesinay]

Ah never knew that, that makes the whole thing a lot more justifiable.

[johnchm.10]

there are a few flaws in that. ship officers put years, if not decades into their careers before their captaincy, and even then, new captains arent going to be captaining Imperal-class Star Destroyers. and the fleet at Endor had to have been made up of some of the best captains and officers in the entire Navy, between Death Squadron and the Sector Fleet at Endor. they had enough sheer firepower to take on the Alliance Fleet, even with the loss of the ~10 or so Imperial-classes, the Executor, the Pride of Tarlandia, and the Death Star itself. if they were to fight on, even if they were to lose, the Alliance Fleet would have suffered far worse

[SpardaSon21]

Keep in mind they were receiving orders through battle meditation, and they probably all got some very nasty feedback when Palpatine exploded. Combine the lack of orders from above, the sheer shock of losing the mental connections, and the fact that there was probably some nasty neural feedback from the sudden, explosive severing of those connections and it isn't a stretch to say the Imperial Navy couldn't fight on anymore.

[abesinay]

I feel like there was enough time and the Empire had enough firepower to wipe them out before the Emporer was tossed down the shaft.

[Madurai]

There's also the question of what happened to that AT-AT we saw there.

[johnchm.10]

apparently it was taken out by Renegade Squadron.

[abesinay]

Basically in the movies they couldn't stop anything the rebels did.

[maul52]

There's also the question of what happened to that AT-AT we saw there.

I think the driver was taking a siesta and got konked in the head by an Ewok, who then drove the AT-AT into a tree.

[Ghostrider]

I feel like there was enough time and the Empire had enough firepower to wipe them out before the Emporer was tossed down the shaft.

If you read "Truce at Bakura" Luke comments on the noticeably smaller rebel fleet when he escaped DS II. The Mon cal cruisers got hammered and took heavy losses. You don't see it in the films much.

[Phoenix Rising]

It was later retconned to implicate Declann as the one doing the battle meditation at Endor, but nevertheless.

 

I thought the Executor's death was weak.  It's just a triangle from the view in the throne room, then it crashes into the Death Star?  Convenient.

 

The main point with the balance of the space battle, however, was that the Emperor merely wanted to trap the Rebels so the superlaser could do the killing.  Odds are meaningless if forces aren't committed.

[johnchm.10]

yet another reason why a politician shouldnt fight a battle. there were probably enough lasers to demolish the Alliance Fleet, let alone Turbolasers and Heavies.