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#1 Nazgûl

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 10:53 PM

With the arrival of The Hobbit (movie), I wanted to capture some of its ambiance too, and found a quick way of implementing the new style of goblin - the Gundabad Orcs! These goblins will replace the dreadful so called "half troll" models (that are WAY too buff) as the pikemen of Moria faction  :thumbsuphappy:

 

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Model by: EA (Spider Rider)

Rigging to new SKL by: Ridder Geel

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Edited by Nazgûl, 20 April 2013 - 10:57 PM.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 11:02 PM

They look great, only bad thing is you have to wait for the war of the five armies to see combat armor used



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Posted 20 April 2013 - 11:07 PM

So this is the Model Geel was working on today, came out great good job guys !

For Heavy Armor you should put some worn out Leather.


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 11:13 PM

Not sure if Im gonna use HA at this stage. Im thinking, they look rather plain in the movie, just wearing a little leather around the waist just like this model. Im gona make them stronger than Moria goblins, but slower.


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Posted 21 April 2013 - 12:48 AM

visual improvement. yes.... Which skl did you rig them too the original Half troll's?



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Posted 21 April 2013 - 12:52 AM

Nope, for two reasons. Model didnt fit the bones, and the movements are too "buff" as well. They are using dwarven anims (Phalanx) which strangely enough, works quite well. Might skip some moves though :-P


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Posted 21 April 2013 - 12:55 AM

Lol. Glad you decided to not use that skl. Because I would have protested. Will be interesting to see them in action using the dwarven phalanx anims.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 12:57 AM

I think you will be pleased. Will code them in tomorrow =)


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Posted 21 April 2013 - 03:34 AM

In the WETA Art & Design book there are a lot of concepts of the Hunter Orcs of Gundabad. (The ones riding the Wargs at the end of An Unexpected Journey.)
Would you like me to send scans of that? (Not here although.)
 
The hunter orcs use Warg hides, and look pretty impressive. And I am pretty sure there is a CAH helmet that could be used (the one with tusks). that is similar to a hunter orc's helmet.
 
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 10:26 AM

Nah, don't see tose in the movie, and we're fine with the moria orcs riding wolves and wargs =) That book is nice though. I wonder why Weta doesnt have a book for the trilogy..


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Posted 21 April 2013 - 12:22 PM

I've only seen The Hobbit twice, but I am sure there are some hunter orcs like those designs. ;p However, they are from Gundabad, not Moria.

I have seen a few design books for each Lord of the Rings movie, I'll go check.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 12:33 PM

 

Yeah, sort of. But not really like those concepts... Thing is, that we struggled a great deal to do the current riders in two versions. One riding wargs and one riding wolves. Not sure anyone would like to do new models for them. But, I wouldn't mind if someone would want to try :p

 

(Why don't my YouTube links show as a clickable movie?)


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Posted 22 April 2013 - 01:39 PM

Will you use the spiders from the spider riders as the giant spiders from the Hobbit?

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 03:39 PM

Nah, I'm using the spiderling models, but I think they are the same. Won't be many of them in game though (unless on certain maps). Only SHelob can produce them, via giving birth. And she's a Spell Book power in moria faction 


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Posted 22 April 2013 - 03:40 PM

So quite a chain of events is required, then? :p

And as for the YouTube link above, you need video tags..(at least that's what I think you mean... :p)

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 11:04 PM

No that was not it. I tried tags too. But suddenly it just worked, by pasting the Share link. Oh well... Back on topic.

 

I've tested the new goblin now in game. It looks good, but not good enugh to be in large numers such as in a horde of 10-15 units. They don't look "wild" enough compared to the Moria goblins, since they use dwarven phalanx anims (there are no goblin/orc anims for pikes). So, I have a new idea I wanna try and that is to make these guys into a team of 4-5 slave units circuling around the Great Goblin (assuming I can get a modeler to do that model in Weta-style). As such, they don't need to be pikemen (and the buff looking hobgoblins of Moria goes back as pikeunit). Instead they could use orc anims and carry other weapons, looking and moving more like orcs/goblins. Also, that would make the Great Goblin a little more unique and interesting as a hero...  :trickydick:


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Posted 22 April 2013 - 11:23 PM

Slaved Units ... That's child's-play for me, all them crapping patrols I've done XD! Why not make bind them to another pike SKL and make them into one unit (like how the the Peasants in BFME 1 were made) ?


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 10:25 PM

What good would a single goblin unit be? ;p


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 11:09 PM

No, what he meant was the same model, or similar models, all in one horde, with different pikemen animations :p (if im not mistaken)


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 11:39 PM

Yea what Geel said, also MTL can you give me a couple of scans ?


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