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#1 Lauri

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Posted 30 July 2014 - 12:24 PM

If you saw the trailer, you'd seen that dwarves ride on goats, and use a goat-wagon. Atleast, I think the wagon had goats dragging it..


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Posted 30 July 2014 - 01:12 PM

Rams to be exact. =D

 

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 01:09 AM

So now the battle wagon will need the great beast swapped with a ram. The use of a ram isn't bad. They are generally indigenous to mountain terrain and the dwarves being mountain dwelling would have access to them. Even if it is stretching the lore.

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 10:11 AM

Stretching? There's no mention of dwarves riding anything but ponies, and then only for non-combat. No, this is 100% outside the lore. Hell, the dwarves from the Iron Hills had mattocks, and also carried a short broad sword with a round shield. They didn't have spears.

 

Still, the thing that bothers me a bit is the dwarven armour. I mean, 171 years is a long time to develop the armour. But no, these guys wear the same armour they did 171 years ago. Don't know much about the history of armour, but I would've least hoped for some shiny new armour.


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Posted 02 August 2014 - 12:51 AM

Yeah. I'm aware that there is no mention. There was no mention of thranduil riding that moose/deer. But there is a bit logic behind the concept as well. I didn't say I liked it. For some reason I feel like this is left overs from del toro. If dwarves can ride ponies then they can ride rams. Maybe they are some sort of shock troop. There may very well be the arms you described among the ranks of the Dwarven troops. Let's wait and see.

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 04:56 AM

I like the rams. =D

But I wanna see the Mattocks. =\

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 04:41 PM

I envision this:

 

Iron Hills commander: Thorin king stands alone.

Dain: No alone. Dwarfhirrim! To the king!


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Posted 05 August 2014 - 04:04 PM

I like the rams too, but I'm well known for pretty much "accepting" everything that PJ does with the lore, even though I might not like it, at first. Like the concept of Azog, that felt more like an uruk than a traditional orc... Anyways, yeah I'll model that ram when I have better pictures of it, and hopefully we can rig it to the Beast SKL =)


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Posted 05 August 2014 - 07:15 PM

Just watch out, it may turn out that the ram cavalry are from the Grey Mountains, judging by the tapestry of the line of Durin which WETA has released. And Azog is thought to be a lot closer to the Elves which were first corrupted into orcs... Like a "pure-blooded" orc.

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Posted 05 August 2014 - 07:43 PM

Wouldn't make any sense if they came from the Grey Mountains, but PJ's made stupid calls before.

 

You know, like the one that includes Azog being alive.


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Posted 05 August 2014 - 08:56 PM

Really? Ered Mithrin is one of the Seven Dwarf kingdoms the Arkenstone is supposed to unite. See here: http://www.thelandof...inTapestry2.jpg

 

And Dain is said to ride a wild boar... And there've been scenes shot with Iron Hills infantry. 


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Posted 05 August 2014 - 10:24 PM

I just can't really see you being able to train a ram. I mean sheep are stupid creatures and rams are males so are really defiant. Who knows? Maybe if they have an actual living ram in a scene they could prove me wrong...

Also, what do you reckon is the top speed on any sheep/ram? :p

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Posted 05 August 2014 - 10:54 PM

Sheep are pretty damn fast.

 

And good call, Bofur. From that tapestry, it does look like Thorin and co. might contact both the Grey Mountains and the Iron Hills. There has been quite some talk of the dwarf kingdoms in these films so far.



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Posted 06 August 2014 - 01:49 AM

Regardless of who's riding the rams (funny name btw, as it's the same as battering ram ^^ )... am I the only one that think those riders seem to wear Erebor looking armor? I really hope PJ didn't decide to let all dwarf kingdoms wear the same type of armor. That would be pretty redundant =/


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Posted 09 August 2014 - 09:18 PM

Search "Iron Hills hobbit" on Goolge images, and you'll see they're a bit different.

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 10:07 AM

And some appear to have mattocks. Here's hoping.


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Posted 10 August 2014 - 11:05 AM

Ugh, I really hate the direction of the new trilogy. Peter Jackson has officially become the new George Lucas.


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Posted 10 August 2014 - 11:39 AM

Please not that comment. I've heard that enough to last me a lifetime.

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 03:48 PM

Sorry :p . I'm just so disappointed in the Hobbit. Now, to make this a bit on topic: I don't really think adding the battle-rams is great idea. They just look ridiculous. This isn't Narnia.


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 01:18 PM

Another stupid addition those rams. Dwarves are said to have no empathy with animals, to be disliked be them in fact. That's why they don't ride ponys to battle. Besides the fact that rams are rightly considered wild animals for a very good reason, try to get a child to ride one and see what happens.

 

I agree with Mordor Slayer, this isn't Narnia  (nor World of Warcraft!).

 

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