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[NecronLord]

 

 

So its been a while since i've been up here, but i've been talking to numerous people in the community. Currently i need 2-3 modders who know how to mod Dawn of war Soul Storm, so far we have a few potential veteran community members from the UA team willing to work on this new project, the goal is to get it published as an official build to replace the current meta in Dawn of war SS. Please see below for more details. my discord name is: Red#4059

 

 

The Goal:

• This mod is for Competitive multiplayer for Dawn of war Soul Storm. This mod is FREE

 

BUDGET:

 

• $1500 - $2500 Entire Project

 

WHATS NEEDED:

 

• 3 modders who have at least 2 years experience working with the dawn of war 1 brand who can also do textures

• Voice Actors with at least 1 year experience

• Art Director - Sounds, maps, textures, icons & FXs

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DAWN OF WAR REMASTERED CHANGE LOG 2018 UPDATED 6/17/2018:

 

General Changes:

 

• HD Models & Textures

• New Visual Effects

• Bug Fixes

• Updated Models

• Flyer units TBA (To be announced)

• Enhanced Camera

• New Units & Abilities

 

Eldar:

 

New Hero Units:

• Kyrie (Autarch) Hero option tier 1 unit Abilities:1.5 jump that disrupts & causes damage medium area radius Medium cool down Eldritch Winds that cause damage & slow enemies medium area radius Long cool down must be researched at soul shrine. (Cost: 250 req / 100 power)

• Swooping Hawks (Autarch path) tier 3 unit (Cost: 270 req / 160 power) 1.5 jump that disrupts & causes damage small radius

 

 

New Line Units:

• (Requires Autarch Path) Wraithguard - tier 2 required: Mobilize for war research 4 infantry pop-cap (Cost: 175 req / 50 power)

• (Requires Autarch Path) Dire Avengers - Tier 1 2 popcap (Cost: 145 req)

 

New Weapons:

• Wraithblade option for wraithguard tier 3 upgrade (Cost: 25 req / 45 power)

 

Eldar Paths:

Each eldar player has the option to choose between the autarch path or the traditional farseer path each path has its own set of units. The selection is made from the HQ and takes 1s to finish. 

 

 

                 Autarch path Unlocks:

 

Infantry

• Kyrie Hero Unit can not be attached

• Wraithguard (Anti Vehicle) tier 2 unit 

• Dire Avengers

• Dark Reapers

• Banchees

• Rangers

• Warp Spiders

• Swooping Hawks (Made from HQ) 

• Avatar

 

 

Vehicles

• All

 

​Farseer path

 

Infantry

• Farseer

• Fire Dragons

• Guardians

• Dark Reapers

• Banchees

• Rangers

• Warp Spiders

• Seer Council (Made from HQ)

• Avatar

 

Vehicles

• All

 

Race Changes:

• Bone singer Wraith Tomb cooldown increased to 180s instead of 150s

• Bone singer Wraith Tomb duration slightly decreased to 25s instead of 30s

• Grenades cause knock back

• Weapons Platform HP decreased to 900 instead of 1100

• Dark Reaper build time slightly increased to 28s instead of 24s

• Dark Reaper squad now comes with 4 units instead of 3

• Dark Reaper Reinforce cost increased to 85 req instead of 70

• Ranger cloak research build time decreased to 15s instead of 25s

• Fire Prism jump ability changed to teleport, Radius increased

• Webway Gate production cost increased to 130 req instead of 100

• Webway Gate now generate a fleet of foot radius

• Webway Gate can now teleport anywhere granting a fleet of foot radius

• Webway Gate HP decreased to 800 hp instead of 1000

• Fleet of foot is no longer a toggle on infantry units

• Webway Cloak can now cloak units, units become uncloaked once they attack

• Webway Cloak now has a duration. Duration lasts for 30s

• Webway Cloak now has a cool down instead of a toggle. Cool down lasts 60s 

• Eldar vehicles can now pass through into the webway

• Dire Avengers start with a grenade

• TBA (To be announced) Eldar nightwing removed

 

Replaced Models / Updated Models:

 

• Wraithlord Updated Model

• Webway Gate Updated Model

 

Space Marine:

 

New Upgrades:

• Venerable Dred - tier 4 Upgrade Increases the HP of dreds from 4780 to 5200 (Cost: 350 req / 350 power)

• Tier 3 Plasma Upgrade deals high DPS to a single unit (Cost: 50 req / 90 power)

 

New Infantry Line Unit:

• lascannon squad - tier 2.5 unit comes with squad of 3 with a set up time 4 infantry popcap (Cost: 220 req / 25 power)

 

 

Race Changes:

• Scout build time increase to 15s instead of 12s, Base Damage decreased to min 10 instead of 10.6 and max to 11.5 instead of 12.9, scout cap time slightly decreased by 3 secs

• Land raider Machine Spirit Ability now Reduces ranged damage received by 60% for 10 seconds instead of 40% to 15 seconds.

• Chaplain Healing aura decreased to 20 and 5 instead of 25 and 10

• Liberian smite radius slightly increased to 15 instead of 10, cooldown increased to 90s instead of 75s

• Space Marine HP slightly increased to 400 instead of 390

• Drop Pods Now Cause damage & disrupt upon impact

• Assault Space Marine now use leap which causes a small amount of damage upon landing

• Landspeeder tempest will stay as is

• Landspeeder build time increased slightly to 37s instead of 30s

• Predator lascannon fire rate slightly decreased to 2s instead of 3s

• Terminator Squad now come in 5. 1 Squad member can be upgraded with rocket pods

• Terminator Close Combat Squad now come in 5. 2 members can be upgraded with power claws

• Terminator teleport time slightly decreased to 3s instead of 5s and 2s to attack instead of 5s to attack

 

Race Bug Fixes:

• Double terminators

 

Ork:

 

New Vehicle Unit:

• Warbiker Mob - Fast attack tier 1 unit requires at least two war banners, 2 popcap, only 1 can be built can also decap, has medium range and does medium amount of damage to buildings. Produced from HQ (Cost: 160 req / 30 power)

• Mek Gunz: Kustom Mega-kannon - tier 3 unit 3 vehicle popcap (Cost: 170 req / 250 power)

 

Race Changes:

• Stormboyz Melee DPS slightly decreased to Min 39.5 instead of 43.3, max 55.0 instead of 57.3, Min.D 3.50 instead of 3.75

• Ork Slugga Boyz Melee DPS increased  Min 29.5 instead of 32, max 35.0 instead of 41, Min.D 3.3 instead of 3.8

• Killa Kanz unit walking speed increased to 16 instead of 14

• War-banners now gain a taunt ability that lasts for a duration if it isn't destroyed upon charging up, the ability grants a temporary speed boost and damage increase to nearby units. While the banner is charging the banner is vulnerable and takes on bonus damage.

• Shoota Boyz now can throw grenades after being researched has a small radius and low damage

• TBA (To be announced) Burner Bommber now is an ability that affects a large radius, with a long cool down, from the warboss.

 

Replaced Models / Updated Models:

 

Buildings

 

• Ork Settlement (HQ)

• Ork  Waaagh! Banner

• Pile O Gunz

• Da Boyz Hut

• Da Mek Shop

Units

• Killa Kan

 

Necrons:

 

New Hero Unit:

• Imotekh the Stormlord - tier 1.5 only one lord can be selected / available per player with a choice of regular necron lord for a early lord or a tier 1.5 necron lord with more HP & Melee DPS. Imotekh the stormlord has 1 teleport with a larger radius then the regular necron lord. medium cool down. Can ONLY  transform into the deceiver. ONLY has 5 abilities Can NOT use the other artifacts. (Cost: 220 power)

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5 New Abilities Exclusive to Imotekh the Stormlord available through archives only 3 can be selected permanently:

 

All abilities require archives

 

• Transdiminesional Displacement Tier 1.5 Temporary speed bonus units next to the lord gain a speed boost long cool down (Cost: 80 power)

• Tesseract Labyrinth Tier 2 Creates a Pocket dimension that throws a selected target into oblivion has a long cool down. Can not be used on commanders or tanks. (Cost: 125 power)

• Void field Tier 3 Deflects incoming projectiles in a medium radius around the necron lord for a duration medium cool down (Cost: 150 power)

• Sempiternal Weave Tier 4 Makes ONLY the necron lord temporarily invulnerable & can still attack for a duration long cool down (Cost: 375 power)

• Translocation Beacon Tier 4 up to 4 squads can teleport to his location long cool down (Cost: 350 power)

 

New Line Unit:

• Deathmarks - tier 1 Only one squad can be built - 2 infantry popcap does good damage to light vehicles and infantry. Scales with warrior upgrades. Ability: Phase shift must be researched at summoning core for 75 power, has 1 teleport with a short radius. (Cost: 150 power)

 

Race Changes:

• Scarab HP increased to 350 instead of 225

• Scarab 3 sec immunity for capping removed

• Warriors now cost 25 power with the first two warriors Free

• Warriors now start off with 3 instead of 4

• Warriors HP slightly increased to 550 instead of 530, Disruption field level 1: 580 instead of 570, Enhanced disruption field: 885 instead of 870

• Necron HQ now generates 10 power

• Necron tier 2 power research now cost 375 power up from 350 power

• Necron Gauss Turret DPS decreased to min 220 instead of 235, max 270 instead of 285, min.D 20 instead of 25, HP increased to 1325 instead of 1125

• Necron LP3 DPS increase to min 265 instead of 250, max 290 instead of 280, min.D 7

• Wraith production time decreased to 35s instead of 45s

• Immortals range DPS decreased to min 80.0 instead of 89.7, max 165.8 instead of 174.7, min.D 3.5 instead of 4.5 

• Immortals now require an upgrade for increased range DPS at Summoning core costs 100 power. After upgrade Range DPS increased to min 90.0, max 180.0, min.D 5

• Tomb Spider micro scarbs now have a toggle to fly & can also engage ground units

• Deceiver No longer creates an entire monolith but instead must target a real active monolith to create a hologram that lasts for a duration. It can not be repaired.

• Deceiver gets the new Time vortex ability, which desentagrates targets in a medium radius, Ctan lighting is another new ability which effects a large area that slows enemies and does damage overtime.

• Deceiver old abilities have been removed

• Nightbringer animation redone, with increased movement

• Nightbringer path is limited only to the regular necron lord, the Deceiver path is limited to Imotekh the greater necron lord.

 

Replaced Models / Updated Models:

 

• Pariahs are now replaced with the Necron Lychguard

• Wraith now replaced with canoptek wraith

 

New FX:

 

• Immortal Heavy Gauss rifle now shoot in medium bursts of energy

Bug Fixes:

• Double Monolith Bug

• Deceiver sync error bug

 

Chaos:

 

New Line Units:

 

• Rubric Marines - tier 2 can not be put into a rhino - 3 infantry popcap only one squad can be built Abilities: Fog of War - a deadly mists surrounds an area small radius when active range damage is decreased by 30%. Witch-light - Increases attack speed, eyes glow (Cost: 190 req / 100 power)

• Havoc Squad  tier 1.5 requires armory only 2 can be produced 2 infantry pop cap (Cost: 200 req / 10 power) 

 

Race Changes:

• Slave builder unit walking speed now increased with forced labor

• Raptor Melee DPS increased to min 52 instead of 49, max 63 instead of 59, min.D 6 instead of 5

• Chaos Khorne berzerkers Building DPS increased to low 6.0 instead of 5.0, medium 4 instead of 3.3, high 3.0 instead of 2.4.  HP slightly increased to 800 instead of 610

• Cultist Grenade DPS decreased to min 55 instead of 62, max 65 instead of 75, min.D 10 instead of 15, 3 weapons can be equipped up from 2

• Barracks build time slightly decreased to 50s instead of 57s HP decreased to 1900 instead of 2200

• Armory build time slightly decreased to 40s instead of 45s, HP decreased to 2900 instead of 3100

• TBA (To be announced) Chaos Taylon dirty bombing run is now an ability which the ch6os lord can call down, effects a medium radius, & slowly kills a target location, has a long cool down,

 

Updated Model:

• Horrors

• Chaos Space Marine

 

Imperial Guard:

 

New Line Unit:

• Bullgryns - tier 3, 3 infantry pop cap only one squad can be built (Cost: 200 req / 70 power) 

• Skitarii Vanguard ranged Unit - tier 3 unit choice between kasrkin squad or Skitarii Vanguard. Does bonus damage to any squad that came into contact / melee for a short duration only 1 squad can be built takes 3 infantry pop cap (Cost: 250 req / 150 power) 

 

New Weapons:

• Power Fist - tier 2 required tactica optional wargear for commissioners (Cost: 70 req / 50 power) 

 

Race Changes:

• Bunker Weapons - 3 slot Range increased to 30 instead of 25

• Tech-priest HP decreased slightly 290 instead of 310

• Commander build time increased to 30s instead of 25s

• Commissar build time increased to 25 secs instead of 20 secs

• Guardsmen Grenade DPS decreased to min 95.0 instead of 113.0, max 140.0 instead of 147.0, min.D 8.0 instead of 10.5

• Guardsmen build time Increased to 25s instead of 20s

• Imperial Guard global capping time decreased

• Kasrkin squad now get 2x grenades

• Imperial Guard Bomber removed

 

 

Dark Eldar:

 

New Hero Unit

• Lhamaean - tier 2.5 made from HQ 2 infantry pop cap only one can be built Abilities: Death Kiss: Medium radius poisons a area & decreases moral (Cost: 80 req / 150 power) 

 

New Line Unit:

• Wracks tier 2.5 unit 4 infantry pop cap produced at the Hall of Blood (Cost: 200 req / 80 power) 

 

Changes:

• Dark Eldar now can build webways (uses the old model), these dark webways are weaker then eldar webways, vehicles can not move through them with the exception of jetbikes

• Dark eldar builder unit will be required to build structures instead of auto building

• Dark eldar builder unit has the dark matter constructor ability (auto builds buildings) HP is halved by 50 percent.

• Dark eldar builder build time decreased to 8s instead of 10s

• Dark eldar builder build cost from 75 req to 90 req

• Mandrakes build time slightly decreased to 25s instead of 27s

• Scourges Range DPS decreased vs infantry to low, medium, high, h.medium 15.9 instead of 16.9, h.hi 11.0 instead of 11.8, Cmdr 9.5 instead of 10.1. HP increased slightly to 400 instead of 320

• Corrosion ability now decreases armor of units in the cloud by 10% instead of 8%, cloud radius increased

• Piercing vision ability now cost 20 soul power instead of 40, decreased cool down time to 40s instead of 60s

• Raider speed increased slightly to 45 instead of 42

• Raiders now come pre-loaded with warrior squads

• Raiders are no longer transports (due to the use of webways)

• Dark eldar do not have fleet of foot

• Archon Vampire ability must be researched at Haemonculus' Laboratory. Once researched all melee attacks give archon a small HP boost & does bonus damage overtime to targets while in melee.

• TBA (To be announced) Raven fighter is now an ability that is called down from the HQ with a medium radius, with a medium cool down.

 

Replaced Models / Updated Models:

 

Buildings:

• Dark Eldar Kabal Fortress (HQ)

• Dark Eldar Dark Foundry

• Dark Eldar webway 

• Dark Eldar Soul cage

• Hall of Blood (Barracks)

• Plasma Generator

• Slave Chamber

• Haemonculus' Laboratory

• Wych-Cult Arena

• Thermo Plasma Generator

 

Infantry:

 

• Dark Eldar warriors

 

Bug Fixes:

• Archon vampire ability fixed

 

Tau:

 

New Line Units:

 

• Fire Warriors Breacher Team - tier 2.5 unit 4 infantry pop cap only one squad can be built Abilities: Photon grenades that damage in a medium radius, medium cool down. Tactical Formation Increased melee & range attack speed & movement. (Cost: 230 req) 

• MV71 Sniper Drones & Firesight Marksman - tier 1 unit 2 infantry pop cap only two squads can be built Abilities: Scanner a small radius that reveals the fog of war - tier 2 ability must be researched at path to enlightenment. Auto detects stealth units. (Cost: 170 req / 70 power) 

 

• KV128 Stormsurge - tier 2 heavy weapons platform (Turret). The first two do not count toward pop cap. Abilities: Missile barrage, must be researched. (Cost: 260 req / 150 power) 

 

Changes:

• Stealth Suit build time increased to 15s instead of 10s

• Stealth Suit jump packs no longer need to be researched

• Stealth Suit no longer stay stealthed when decapping from the west side of a strategic point

• Builder walking speed increased to 17 instead of 16

• Vespid build time increased to 35s instead of 30s

• Vespids now have a toggle to fly, can target location to slam into ground reverting back to a ground unit, ability has a cool down. Causes knock back and damage.

• Kroot Leap now causes knock back

• Commander HP increased to 1300 instead of 1000

• Firewarrior Range DPS decreased to min 59 instead of 62, max 68 instead of 73, min.D 2 instead of 3, HP increased to 380 instead of 340. Improved Metallurgy research: HP increase to 400 instead of 374

• Firewarrior build time increased to 27s instead of 24s

• Kroot build time decreased to 20s instead of 24s

• XV88 battlesuit replaced with the KV128 Stormsurge the first 2 do not take up infantry pop cap

• Barracuda Gunship now cost 4 vehicle cap, only 2 can be built, the size of the model has been increased

 

 

Replaced Models / Updated Models:

 

 

• XV88 battlesuit replaced with the KV128 Stormsurge 

 

 

Sisters of battle:

 

New Line Unit:

• Crusaders - tier 2 unit only 3x can be built at once 2 infantry pop cap (Cost: 100 req / 20 power) 

 

New Weapons:

• Chainsword wargear for Missionary - requires armory (Cost: 40 req / 40 power) 

 

Race Change:

 

• Sisters Squad DPS increased to min 12 instead of 10 

• Celestian HP decreased to 400 instead of 430, Melta DPS decreased to min 60 instead of 70, max 70 instead of 80, min.D 1.5

• Celestian Grenades DPS decreased vs buildings / light armor to Low 400 - 500 instead of 450 - 562.5, med 500 - 685 instead of 600 - 750, high 250 - 285 instead of 300 - 375

• Inferno Turret DPS increased to min 40 instead of 34, max 43 instead of 38, min.D 3 instead of 2.5

• Mine DPS increased to min150 instead of 140, max 175 instead of 160, min.D 38 instead of 30, moral 115 instead of 100

• Mine HP increased to 600 instead of 500

• Sisters of battle transport vehicle DPS increased to min 45 instead of 40, max 50 instead of 45, min.D 3 instead of 2.5, pop cap increased to 2 instead of 1

• TBA (To be announced) Lightning fighter now is a ability called lightening run which effects a medium radius, lightning fighters do a fighter run. this can be used from canoness. This has a medium cool down

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Edited by NecronLord, 18 June 2018 - 09:08 PM.

[fuggles]

Have you ever tried Dow: Pro? That was always the hardcore competitive balance mod, at some points obnoxiously so. On the off chance you did get to make anything official I would rather the engine was expanded and new races added, admech or imperial knights.

 

But anyway, casually chucking in 'HD models and textures' like that rather seems to undersell the amount of work involved. UA are good, but not fans of infantry and synch kills, which is why they have built a truck load of tanks. I'd love them to finish the centurion, or dragon knights for instance. The majority of your changes would take about a day in corsix.

 

Keep going, see what happens.

[NecronLord]

Hey fuggles, 

 

thanks for the feedback, i have tried DOW pro however, that is outdated, & hasn't really fixed the core gameplay, basically a balance mod which was good for what it did, but this project is aiming to include some new content that coincides with much needed balance changes. The amount of work to re-skin the current Models to HD isn't to much but its still a great deal of work, i am aware of that. But also we want to properly fix the bugs and animations that were given in Soul storm.

Edited by NecronLord, 13 June 2018 - 02:24 PM.

[NecronLord]

Hey Guest,

 

So what you're saying is adding new content isn't going to balance the game? This is why this is important to get the community feedback, we are not just making a mod for fun, we intend to balance out the game as well as add new content, we will not box our selves in by just making a balance update. Thanks for the input though it is noted. It would be great if you could give more input that was more constructive lets say to the proposed balance changes based on the current meta. I also want to add that these proposed changes actually fill in much needed changes, they weren't just for fun. The current meta of soul storm is broken. The changes that say increase or decreased don't have the actual values proposed but are a base to call out what needs to change.

Edited by NecronLord, 14 June 2018 - 11:11 PM.

[NecronLord]

I am paying out of my own pocket, as a tribute to the community, your negativity is unreal, you can remove your self from this post. 

[NecronLord]

If its a failure from the start then why are you still here? Who are you to decide what the community needs, you post in this thread with an already pissy attitude, saying this can't be done, i bit about my background i own a design studio, i am a design director, i've worked on games like Red alert, and starcraft. There are work arounds to the core SDK tools. To be clear nobody is dodging anything, like i said early if you have nothing constructive to say then remove your self from this post, or you'll be ignored plain and simple. 

 

As for the heroes that you claim don't exist, here they are:

 

Eldar - Kyrie (Autarch) his name came from Dawn of war 3 the actual hero it self is in the W40k lore

SM - Venerable Dreadnought 

Necron - Imotekh the Stormlord

DE - Lhamaean

 

These heroes like the Venerable dreadnought for balance purposes will be treated like a hero because its not an ordinary dreadnought, The eldar Autarch was given a name taken from dawn of war 3.

Edited by NecronLord, 15 June 2018 - 02:37 PM.

[fuggles]

I mean there is probably an argument that you could make the mod already using existing models and corsix to prove it works.

[NecronLord]

 

I know the meta reasonably well, I have a lot of experience in DOW with about 2.5k hours invested in it. I'm not amazing at the game, but I still understand a lot of what is wrong with it. i wrote up a list of possible changes that you should think about. I think a big issue is a lot of your changes seem to be styled to dow 2, which isn't suitable for dow 1 due to low unit HP and fast damage output. If you have any questions about what i suggest, ask my over steam by adding Sir <===CHAOS===> Inferno   as i do not have an account for this website. Also, I may be able to help you update the UI for the game (such as taskbars, unit icons, building icons, mouse pointer) if you are interested in making it look more modern, but this is also a very simple task that anyone can do if they explore the game files. if you need this feel free to add the inferno account and i'll show you some of the screenshots of my updated chaos UI. anyway here are the ideas I thought of:

 

ELDAR:

Elf new Hero:

2x jump that disrupts & causes damage medium area radius Medium cool down

Tier 1 smite sounds unfair, disruption would mean DR can kill whole squads, eldar don't have knockback for a reason. Jump should be 1.5. Imagine vs IG, this would kill so many weak models.

 

 

 

Bone singer Wraithtomb cooldown increased (((only available on two bone singers)))

this second bit seems bad, keeping track of which bonesinger has the tomb on will be difficult in a high micro game

 

 

 

Dark Reaper build time increased

rly bad idea, the timings will be so off. vs necron, cron will have all points before eldar can harass. vs chaos,

chaos will be harassing base with raptors too early. chaos can simply outmass so much easier

 

 

 

 

Dark Reaper squad now comes with 4 units instead of 3

i guess this is to justify longer build time, but it is probably better to keep the current build time and only 3 models. Maybe ake reinforce cost 10 more req

instead?

 

 

 

 

Webway Gates now generate a fleet of foot radius

no keep FoF as toggle, else you remove all fun from playing eldar

 

 

 

Webway Gates can now teleport

teleport a webway gate to another webway gate? this wouldnt be used in normal play but sounds like it could create some abussive strategies with turrets

 

 

 

Fleet of foot is no longer a toggle on infantry units

no :[.  worst thing on this list

 

 

 

Webway Cloak can now cloak units

maybe change this to work like smoke field from rhino? each use does NOT stack. decrease accuracy of enemy by -15%. full cloak sounds broken in the late game

 

 

 

 

Eldar vehicles can now pass through into the webway

this is a joke, right?

 

 

 

 

Eldar nightwing removed

but why? it's eldar's anti air unit, and isn't pointless.

 

 

 

 

 

SPACE MARINE:

New Hero Unit:

Venerable Dred - tier 2.5 unit requires machine pit 3 vehicle popcap only 1 can be built. Ability: Plasma Cannon discharge medium radius medium cool down

SM already have 3 very powerful commanders. They have the most commanders in the game and should not have more. this makes the normal dreads redundant.

sm are probs strongest t2.5 race and adding another powerful tank would be unfair on other races. sm vs chaos would be very unfairly balanced, for example.

Perhaps change this unit into a set of upgrades? tier 4 upgrade already increases the HP of tanks, maybe add a line of text saying "dreads become venerable, HP up"

maybe plasma can be a tier 3 or 4 weapon upgrade for dreads, and the ability can work a bit like tau commander snap shot and deal high DPS to single unit.

 

 

 

Land raider Machine Spirit Ability now grants a temporary invulnerability, has a long cool down

invulnerable OP, this could be broken

 

 

 

lascannon squad - tier 2 unit comes with squad of 3 with a set up time 4 infantry popcap

make this require armory or tier 2.5? skull probe means sm is not vulnerable to tank rush

 

 

 

 

Scout build time increase, Range DPS decreased

you'll need to speed up cap time slightly to balance this w/ other races such as IG or ork, else sm gets behind on eco, but this is very good idea to prevent all in scout rush

 

 

 

 

Liberian smite radius increased  

no, this ability is OPAF already. I would even say to increase the cooldown time by 1.5x

 

 

 

 

Scout sniper damage increased, range increased

tau and elf would suffer so bad in team games, this would ruin the fun for many players. Sniper is debatably too strong at current stats. Here is video to show you a matchup which would be very hard vs sm with these changes

 

 

 

 

Assault / Space Marine Squads now produce with 3 marines instead of 4 out the barracks

this sounds silly

 

 

 

 

Assault Space Marine now use leap which causes damage & knock back upon landing

yet another tier 1 smite. this is more fair than the elf one, but is suited for dow 2 not dow 1.

 

 

 

 

Assault / Space Marine HP slightly increased

they already have big HP for tier 1. + they have 2 upgrades for HP later. in tier 1 sm would demolish ork and chaos with this change

 

 

 

Landspeeder can now bypass any terrain, the jump ability has been removed

this idea of "bypass terrain" essentially makes all these tanks air units, but they are land vehicles. this may make more sense, but in gameplay this is poor idea. keep speeder as they are. perhaps slightly increase the build time?

 

 

 

 

Force Commanders Orbital bombardment radius slightly increased, DPS increased

surely this ability is strong enough already? it can instant kill any race's generators which is their prime use, not vs infantry.

 

 

 

 

Terminators teleport time decreased dramatically

now this IS broken. try playing into breach vs an sm player, he can already jump into base, kill lp, and jump home, ruining the enemy eco. their teleports can already be spammed, with this upgrade you will be using them like vespids...

enemy will not be able to tie up termies, and they can jump arround enemy base freely with this change.

 

 

 

 

 

Warbiker Mob - Fast attack tier 1 unit requires at least two war banners, 2 popcap, only 1 can be built can also decap, is produced from HQ

sounds like ultimate apocalypse mod to me. you would need to be very careful with how you implement this unit, it must not have too high dmg or range. it shouldn't have good damage to buildings or else it could be too powerful harass tool

 

 

 

 

DeathDred - tier 3 unit 3 vehicle popcap

surely this is just a reskinned killa kan? ork does need something extra for tier 3/4 to make them able to combat IG, but this seems bland

 

 

 

 

Ork Boyz Melee DPS increased, HP decreased

slugga boys? they would melt to any enemy damage. i think this will make ork too weak vs eldar as the slugga will die much faster than they do now

 

 

 

Stormboyz Melee DPS decreased

only slightly

 

 

 

Killa Kanz now can be upgraded with a missile launcher

it can do this already?...

 

 

 

War-banners now gain a taunt ability that lasts for a duration if it isn't destroyed upon charging up, the ability grants a temporary speed boost and damage increase to nearby units. 

While the banner is charging the banner is vulnerable and takes on bonus damage.

This actually sounds really interesting

 

 

 

Shoota Boyz now can throw grenades after being researched

this should have low explosion radius and low damage seeing as shoota have huge DPS already

 

 

 

TBA Burner Bommber now is an ability that affects a large radius, with a long cool down, from the flash gitz.

maybe from mad dok or warboss instead?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NECRONS:

new commander abilities:

 

Tesseract Labyrinth Tier 2 Creates a Pocket dimension that throws a selected target into oblivion has a long cool down

does this mean instantly kill 1 unit? that shouldn't be usable vs tanks or commanders

 

 

 

Void field Tier 3 Deflects incoming projectiles in a medium radius around the necron lord for a duration medium cool down

so this is basically just phase shift but deals damage too..... hm. necron lord is already unkillable so: phase shift + phylactery + void field, this guy would never die

 

 

 

Sempiternal Weave Tier 4 Makes the necron lord temporarily invulnerable & can still attack for a duration long cool down

imagine this with immortals in the army, i think that is broken. units cant tie the immortals up as necron warriors will kill them fast in the short range, and they cant kill the warriors because they are invulnerable.

meanwhile the immortals kill the enemy HQ or other important building. not to mention this with the resoterd monolith, can heal it with scarabs whilst it still shoots and can't be damaged. 

combine this with phase shift, and void field/phylactery and necron lord is pretty unkillable. maybe make this ability usable on 1 allied unit, and not usable on the necron lord?

 

 

 

 

Translocation Beacon Tier 4 All warrior & immortal units can teleport to his location long cool down

so i think you haven't thought abotu how these ability can be abused in combination.

EXAMPLE:

lord jumps into enemy base

1) translocation beacon, teleport army into enemy base near HQ

2) attack buildings

3) when enemy responds, make army immune with sempiternal weave

4) enemy most likely losses his HQ and part of army

5) solar pulse or phase shift, delays damage to your army for longer time

6) deciever to distract enemy from fighting your army

7) army teleports home, suffering no damage due to the complete abuse that enemy had to withstand

 

 

 

Deathmarks - tier 1 Only one squad can be built - 2 infantry popcap does good damage to light vehicles and infantry. Scales with warrior upgrades.

make them tier 3 commander squad

 

 

 

 

Scarab build time decreased, HP increased

unfair early game advantage, in all maps necorn can go for 5 scarab eco boom

 

 

 

 

Warriors now cost 75 power with the first two warriors Free

so I did some tests to see how this would impact gameplay

necron starts wth 300 power

necron needs atleast 5 gens placed at the start, this costs 200 green, leaving 100 power

que 1 NW, only 25 power left. no chance you will be able to get the necron lord at this rate, and he is very important unit in many matchup

i think make NW cost 25 green and to have only 3 models when they are built, as a lot of players wont want them reinforced like much at the start of play

 

 

 

Necron HQ now generates 20 power

normal HQ = 20 req

10 power == 20 req (more or less)

this would be a bit too strong for a techy necron in team games, especially with the faster builder spawn time

 

 

 

Necron tier 2 power research now cost 450 power up from 350 power

ouch. this is how it used to be but the devs reduced it. 350 power is a HUGE investment, as tier 4 could be got instead. 450 is a bit too pricey imo

 

 

 

Necron Heavy Gauss Turret DPS increased, HP slightly increased

heavy gauss already strong, it shouldn't be upgrade at all

 

 

 

 

Wraith production time decreased

this is a joke right?

 

 

 

Tomb Spider micro scarbs now have a toggle to fly & can also engage ground units

ths is really cool idea

 

 

 

Deceiver gets the new Time vortex ability, which desentagrates targets in a medium radius, Ctan lighting is another new ability which effects a large area that slows enemies and does damage overtime.

so many new abilities for an already powerful unit? if you add new abilites, make them morale style for Deciever to fit with the theme

 

 

 

Deceiver old abilities have been removed

why not change how they work instead of removing them?

 

 

 

Pariahs are now replaced with the Necron Lychguard

NO! leave the memory of the pariah alive :(

 

 

 

Tzaangors tier 1.5 requires armory Melee squad only 1 can be produced 2 infantry pop cap

chaos has enough melee infantry already? please fix khorne bezerker by improving HP and doing a bit of dps to buildings instead

 

 

 

Slave builder unit walking speed now increased with forced labor

no one would use this ever, better to use on buildings

 

 

 

Chaos Lord unit build time increased

no way is this fair. he is necessary vs some races, and already has huge build time

 

 

 

 

Cultist Grenade damage Increased, Range decreased

I'd suggest decrease damage slightly, keep range, and allow for 3 weapons on a cultist at start instead of 2

 

 

 

 

Cultist HP increased

but why

 

 

 

 

TBA Chaos Taylon dirty bombing run is now an ability which the chaos lord can call down, effects a medium radius, & slowly kills a target location, has a long cool down,

is this really necessary for chaos?

 

 

 

 

Updated Model:

ask people from UA mod and daemons if you can use their models. chaos marine looks amazing

here is example screenshots so you can see:

https://steamcommuni.../?id=1403953755

https://steamcommuni.../?id=1345905464

 

 

 

 

 

IMPERIAL GUARD

Skitarii Vanguard - tier 3 unit choice between kasakin squad or Skitarii Vanguard. Slowly damages units once in melee only 1 squad can be built takes 3 infantry popcap

no one would ever pick melee unit over kaskrin, ever.

 

 

 

Bunker Weapons - 1 slot range DPS increased, 3 slot Range increased

this isn't necessary, they already deal great damage to infantry

 

 

 

Commander build time increased

Commissar build time increased

really? i don't think these are unfair build times as is

 

 

 

Chimera Range DPS increased

a joke right? XDD

 

 

 

Imperial Guard global capping time decreased

no they have fast like orks already

 

 

 

Imperial guard can call in 2x squads of guardsmen armed with plasma this requires a tactica and tier 2.5. the ability is called from the HQ. Must have a field of view.

um wtfff... broken? 2 free units?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

DARK ELDAR

Lhamaean - tier 1 made from HQ 2 infantry popcap only one can be built

so this is basically dark eldar harlequin. in tier 1?.. so they can now have 3 commanders in tier 1. maybe make this tier 2.5 where dark eldar is weaker

 

 

 

 

Wracks tier 2 unit 4 infantry popcap produced at the Hall of Blood

should be t2.5

 

 

 

Dark eldar builder build cost from 75 req to 90 req

sounds brutal if they lose the builder to scout rush

 

 

 

Mandrakes build time decreased

only very slightly, if at all. they have fast cap speed so this is a bit of an unfair advantage

 

 

 

 

Scourges Range DPS increased slightly, HP increased slightly

this should be ranged dps (((decreased))) vs infantry

 

 

 

 

Corrosion ability now decreases armor of units in the cloud by 15% instead of 8%, cloud radius increased

this seems a bit too high

 

 

 

 

Dark Eldar Archon Vampire ability removed

fix it, dont remove it

 

 

 

 

Archon gains the Dance of death ability that lasts for a duration

wtf how will this work with incubus, and also, how will you make this not look stupid for the archon model?

 

 

 

 

Bug Fixes:

Archon vampire ability fixed

but you said you will remove it?

 

 

 

Extra notes:

need more strength tier 2.5

need less strength in tier 1!

suprised you did not mention these, DE hillariously unfair in tier 1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

TAU:

Stealth Suit jump packs no longer need to be researched

No! this will mean they can take the map far far far too fast. they can jump to middle of map on panrea, for example and get huge advantage.

 

 

 

 

Commander HP increased

not necessary, a good player wont let it take damage

 

 

 

 

XV88 battlesuit now cost 1 infantry pop

in a hypothetical situation this is abusable, maybe for quick start players this is unfair

 

 

 

 

 

Barracuda Gunship now cost 4 vehicle cap, only 1 can be built,

maybe limit it to 2 or 3, it is a very necessary unit

 

 

 

 

 

SOB:

Sisters of battle transport vehicle DPS increased, popcap increased

I know very little about SOB, but i dont think this needs DPS increase

 

 

 

Sisters Squad DPS increased

only slightly

 

Extra notes:

why don't you mention balancing celestians vs necron? the cellestian grenades should do a lot less damage vs buildings light armour (necron generator) and cellestian should do slightly less damage

 

 

 

 

congrats if you read that all and i hope it helps

 

 

Hey Guest,

 

So what you're saying is adding new content isn't going to balance the game? This is why this is important to get the community feedback, we are not just making a mod for fun, we intend to balance out the game as well as add new content, we will not box our selves in by just making a balance update. Thanks for the input though it is noted. It would be great if you could give more input that was more constructive lets say to the proposed balance changes based on the current meta. I also want to add that these proposed changes actually fill in much needed changes, they weren't just for fun. The current meta of soul storm is broken. The changes that say increase or decreased don't have the actual values proposed but are a base to call out what needs to change.

 

 

Now this is what i like to see, the community getting involved. I will review and add you to on steam

 

Updated: I love your proposed changes and they do make a lot of sense, most i agree with on, i will update this based on your input and if you know of anyone else who might have a different opinion please share this post with them. Also it would be great if you could help out with icons and UI. you can add me on steam Necron|ord is my name.

 

Thanks

Edited by NecronLord, 17 June 2018 - 09:01 PM.

[ZmajOgnjeniVuk]

Have you ever tried Dow: Pro? That was always the hardcore competitive balance mod, at some points obnoxiously so. On the off chance you did get to make anything official I would rather the engine was expanded and new races added, admech or imperial knights.

 

But anyway, casually chucking in 'HD models and textures' like that rather seems to undersell the amount of work involved. UA are good, but not fans of infantry and synch kills, which is why they have built a truck load of tanks. I'd love them to finish the centurion, or dragon knights for instance. The majority of your changes would take about a day in corsix.

 

Keep going, see what happens.

Fuggles hi, 
I was randomly going through the thread and saw you mentioned centurion. 
If you are referring to SM Centurion exo suit, I have finished one for my now dead mod. When I say, finished, I mean the 3D model is done, however, it has no textures. You can find it here if you are interested.
https://www.moddb.co...ls-pack-release
Cheers

[fuggles]

That's awesome! Is it wrapped or viewable in game?

[ZmajOgnjeniVuk]

That's awesome! Is it wrapped or viewable in game?

Nope, never came to that point, it needs to be unwrapped. For issue of being viewable in game,dont know to be honest, I never was good in that part of the modding, so I guess you would knot better. It has no bones or animations, so I guess only static gray model would appear.

Edited by ZmajOgnjeniVuk, 29 June 2018 - 12:38 PM.

[Kekoulis]

That's awesome! Is it wrapped or viewable in game?

Is this the model you told me?

[fuggles]

Yes!

[thudo]

Perfect for IF especially the Assault variants + Sergeant although UM would not say no.

[NecronLord]

Can we stay on topic here this thread is not the topic or conversation about that, lets not derail this thread. You could have easily messaged each other.