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[Kazyumi]

First of, I start it with a chatlog between me and Natus.

[20:17:58] Nav - "Insan: get some closure?
[20:18:14] (U)[Robin] a: whats that?
[20:18:25] Nav - "Insan: well
[20:18:30] Nav - "Insan: a means to an end on the sadness
[20:18:35] Nav - "Insan: find a way to vent it
[20:19:05] (U)[Robin] a: my cure... a loving girlfriend which is still
          impossible -_-;;
[20:21:00] Nav - "Insan: umm
[20:21:01] Nav - "Insan: well
[20:21:09] Nav - "Insan: i dunno, sadness isnt that simple
[20:21:17] Nav - "Insan: you need to find the sources of it and fix
          them
[20:21:26] Nav - "Insan: theres more to things that whats on the
          surface
[20:21:28] (U)[Robin] a: found one
[20:21:32] (U)[Robin] a: unable to fix
[20:21:47] (U)[Robin] a: my girl...
[20:21:58] (U)[Robin] a: but I'm afraid she left in the morning
          glory.
[20:22:36] (U)[Robin] a: i 'ditched' her
[20:22:40] (U)[Robin] a: but i deleted the comment
[20:22:48] (U)[Robin] a: i just cant do it that way.
[20:22:57] (U)[Robin] a: i need to talk to her and get it settled.
          somehow.
[20:23:04] Nav - "Insan: forget bout her
[20:23:07] Nav - "Insan: try a club man
[20:23:35] (U)[Robin] a: Dude.
[20:23:50] (U)[Robin] a: I love the girl. With all I have.....
[20:24:03] Nav - "Insan: no you dont, love dont hit till mid 20s
[20:24:18] Nav - "Insan: atm its just lust, mix of lonliness and alot
          of being needed, i know, i been there
[20:24:23] (U)[Robin] a: you really think thats true?
[20:24:45] (U)[Robin] a: that there is no love untill mid 20s?
[20:25:51] Nav - "Insan: nope
[20:25:59] Nav - "Insan: when were young
[20:26:06] Nav - "Insan: love isnt as simple as just being found
[20:26:09] Nav - "Insan: love runs deep
[20:26:14] Nav - "Insan: it runs in our veins
[20:26:16] Nav - "Insan: it consumes us
[20:26:19] Nav - "Insan: it becomes us
[20:26:19] (U)[Robin] a: I KNOW
[20:26:25] Nav - "Insan: we dont find it
[20:26:28] (U)[Robin] a: I'm going through all that.
[20:26:29] Nav - "Insan: not till were of age
[20:26:32] (U)[Robin] a: bah.
[20:26:34] Nav - "Insan: we can think we have it
[20:26:44] Nav - "Insan: we can beleive it, but were living a lie
[20:26:53] (U)[Robin] a: This love was deeper then anything else.
[20:27:10] (U)[Robin] a: If I really didn't love her, why would I
          still care about her?
[20:27:20] Nav - "Insan: because she gave you what you needed
[20:27:25] (U)[Robin] a: Even though all that happened along the way.
[20:27:26] Nav - "Insan: she gave you attention and emotion
[20:27:27] Nav - "Insan: not love
[20:27:40] Nav - "Insan: she has given you nothing, purely because
          there was nothing to give
[20:27:48] Nav - "Insan: in a month, reflect on this moment
[20:27:59] (U)[Robin] a: I will
[20:28:12] (U)[Robin] a: I know I'lll still be as miserable as I'm
          now
[20:28:33] (U)[Robin] a: I lost contact with her since my birthday...
[20:28:46] (U)[Robin] a: thats more then a month ago
[20:28:59] Nav - "Insan: just realise, you havent had love, if you
          did, you wouldnt be as you are now, i have seen the damage
          love does first hand to a friend, and i can safely say, you
          nor i have ever been in proper love
[20:29:34] (U)[Robin] a: do you know what I'm going through all right
          now?
[20:29:59] (U)[Robin] a: I've though I loved someone... but back then.
          That was nothing.
[20:30:06] (U)[Robin] a: That was not love
[20:30:11] (U)[Robin] a: it was nothing really.
[20:30:16] (U)[Robin] a: but now...
[20:30:20] (U)[Robin] a: oh well..
[20:30:27] (U)[Robin] a: never mind about it... -.-
[20:31:55] Nav - "Insan: i get you
[20:31:56] Nav - "Insan: just
[20:32:01] Nav - "Insan: forget bout her man
[20:32:03] Nav - "Insan: its not worth it
[20:32:09] Nav - "Insan: why weep over a lie?
[20:32:35] (U)[Robin] a: I loved her.
[20:32:37] (U)[Robin] a: But.....
[20:32:41] (U)[Robin] a: she never loved me back.
[20:32:46] (U)[Robin] a: I know she didnt....
[20:32:52] (U)[Robin] a: perhaps she couldn't
[20:32:55] Nav - "Insan: you didnt love her, you wanted too so she
          would love you

Natus convinced me of something. And I cant say he's far of from it, I suppose.
Perhaps love could be different for one going through it right now... but think about it.

What is love really? When would it come?
Is love in the young stage of life (say 13-25) not really love at all, is it just passion?

Edited by Hooligan, 14 April 2005 - 04:05 PM.

[chemical ali]

No its more hormonal in my view, did I spell that right?

[Kazyumi]

I guess you did... atleast, you are right about it being the early stage
what about later? The real love, the love that makes one marry, etc.

I thought I loved a girl.. but what is love really? Love is much more then just... what I've thought to be love. Even I dont know the meaning of love. Yet I thought I loved. But I only liked her because she gave me attention and emotion. But thats not love. Actually all she has given me was nothing, purely because there was nothing to give. Perhaps true, perhaps I'm to far ahead of my age to love.

[Ash]

Yes, you did.

Love takes different forms depending on who it is your loving.

Love in the sense of a partner is a deep caring and a desire to be with someone always. A feeling that you cannot live without that person, because they hold such a large place in your heart. It's a very powerful emotion, that, while making people irrational enough to give up anything, even their own lives, for people, it is also one of the few traits that make me proud to be human, simply because it promotes wonderful acts of devotion that just warm the heart.

It's impossible to define accurately, but it's also something I would rather have in my life than utterly refute.

I can understand love goes wrong, but so does every other emotion. And let's face it, life'd be pretty shit without it. Yes, it's hormonal, but without love, we would not form any sort of attachments with possible partners. Everyone would have one-night-stands and would be much less good at social interactions, responding only to primal urges and less able to fulfil higher needs of the mind and heart.

[Comrade Kal]

I think there are very few times in your life when you will experience love. Lust, many times, but I'd say most people have never experienced love. To love someone, you have to know an awful lot about them too, so love at first sight is nonsense.

That's my opinion.

[Athena]

I think if you really love her and have so much fun with her, you should try. If she doesn't love you back, she'll tell you (I suppose), but now you're in uncertaincy. You're 15 (right?), I'd say that that could be old enough to love someone. I fell in love when I was 17, and I never regret it. But if you just like her, because of what she gave you (and not love her for being herself), then you might just be friends. I think your heart will tell you which one is right.

It's impossible to define accurately

I think that's true. It feels different for everyone, though there are similarities. I think the most important things include (well, they do for me): having a great time being together, care for each other, love the person the way he/she is, having fun together, making each other laugh, listen to each other, having the same (or partially the same) interests and hobbys, someone to cheer you up when you really need it, someone to talk to if you have big problems, if you don't see the person for a long time, you'll miss that person, stuff like that. Whatever I mean to see Hooligan is that you should do what you think feels right. If you really fall in love, you'll know that you love someone. It's a very strong feeling, you'll know when it's there. I wish you good luck, and hope things will work out fine the way you want to.

EDIT: Lord Kal and I posted at the same time.

To love someone, you have to know an awful lot about them too, so love at first sight is nonsense.

I think that is true.

Edited by Blaat85, 14 April 2005 - 05:04 PM.

[Allied General]

all very deep, deep thought thread beckons for this thread.

Love is more about the emotions, the personalities, the ambitions, hopes and drives in people lives and have the decency to be interested in it.

[Ash]

I agree with Kal. Love can't be achieved in a single meeting. As you grow to know someone, bonds that are called relationships form. Even as we talk over here, we're having social interactions that'll either result in us being friends, enemies or indifferences.

That isn't the same as love. Love is just one end of a broad spectrum of emotions that one could feel for another human being. That's as good a definition as it's possible to give, but Love itself is just a word. What matters is the feeling the word implies, and that's impossible to describe.

[Kazyumi]

Yeh, but then you could meet your love at first sight. (Not sight really... but hell) Its actually like meeting someone and it clicked at once.

Hmmmmm.... I've been thinking about a saying:
"Don't search for love, love will come to you"
Fuck it doesn't make sense, cause if all would follow that, no one will attempt to go for it (e.g. Mom of Boy says: "Don't search for love, love will come to you", and then the Mom of Girl says: "Don't search for love, love will come to you"... then both would just wait for nothing to happen...). Perhaps I misunderstood/misinterpetated it....

[Ash]

I think it means trying to force being loved. You can't make someone love you. But you know when someone does...if you take my meaning.


It's like a conversation. If you run out of things to say, stay silent. Don't try and force it, or else it brings up negative points on the other person's like-o-meter.

[Natus]

Love isnt as simple as caring for someone, or thinking about them constantly. Love can only come from contact. You may convince yourself and others around you you feel love for this girl, but her distance makes love simply impossible. Love is the penultimate climax of a relationship. When you caress the person you loves hair, touch their skin, plant a tender kiss on their lips, and hear the words you crave, and feel their embrace and with it a rush of freedom. You may find simple clones of that, but it isnt real. When you get older you'll get what I mean. I have seen friends with real love, seen it make and break them. I can safely say the vast majority on this forum havent even touched on it. Its that simple. You may argue its simply feelings, but you should come to realise its a lie. Love goes beyond mere words. It goes beyond a mere holding of hands. It runs far deeper. Sooner you come to terms with that, sooner you can grow. Dont lie to yourselves. For your own sakes.

[Ash]

There was no need to bring it down to a personal level regarding me, Nat

But I suppose I can see your point. However, I live in hope.

[Natus]

I didnt make it personal, dont be daft. I merely stated the truth of love in its most truthful form. I know its a harsh thing to accept, but you'll become a better person and more adept at relationships if you can recognise how hard it is too indeed find love. I wish it were as everyone makes it out, but on its main level, it simply isnt.

[Ash]

I meant with the distance thing I didn't mean I took offence to it or that you meant offence

You state love's the penultimate climax of a relationship. I wonder what you classify as the final climax...

[Allied General]

the human conception of "love" is BS, its normally about wanting something from another.

There is no such human with unconditional love.

[Kazyumi]

Hmmm... AG.... what do you mean? I dont really understand you here chap.

[Tom]

Love is about sharing in my opinion. AG should know, hes religious, the bible states love is about becoming one, sharing your life with someone else.

Loves a dangerous thing imo, its like hate, very very simular to hate. People can even learn how to love to hate things.

[Allied General]

the problem with a lot of "love" today is that is selfish and its far too focused, i.e. you date someone and ignore everyone or you've decided to go steady and your cheating on him/her.

As such most of the time human love is passion or lust.

Very few individuals can deal with the aftermath, the contend side ...

Edited by Allied General, 22 April 2005 - 09:06 AM.