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[Allied General]

Code Red is being completly revamped and uh counter navy with navy

[Allied General]

its never that easy mate if you get your naval yard bombed or attack early thats it game over mate. thast the point im trying to get across that thier is nothing you can do if you lose naval superiority

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but isnt' that the same in real-life combat

its different strageties of rusher vs long-term builder.

[Major_Gilbear]

Firstly, welcome. Yes, I do remember you

Next up, the whole mod is being totally revamped. Navies will be smaller, typically three units per country. This is partly to make room for the new country Germany, and partly because it made no sense to have two or three similar ships for each side (as you pointed out). Also, not all maps have water on them.

Not all ships will have AA now, and aircraft will be more effective against them. Ships still outrange planes by a lot though, so a well set-out defensive formation of ships with AA capabilities will still reap a heavy toll of enemy aircraft.

Ships will also have their own armour, to stop land units like tanks and infantry sinking them. Ships are sunk with naval or air power usually, and I'd like that to be the same in CR.

Ships will still be powerful, but won't be the mega-uber-death-dealers that they used to be. Carriers and SSBNs are still lethal though if players fail to stop them; however these and other Captial Ships will be really very expensive and slow to build, and their planes/missiles can be shot down.

Not all ships will be expensive or take a long time to build; I would like to see players considering naval options wherever appropriate, and not just to counter the enemy's. What you will see that the really powerful ships are expensive and slow to build, as well as having trouble defending themselves well. Lighter ships will provide general support (Anti-ship, ASW, AA, coastal bombardment, etc), and Subs will generally fill the hunter role. This means that players will need to create balanced forces, and don't *have* to build the Capital Ships (although they are very desirable and powerful units!).

[Major_Gilbear]

I am removing many units that were pointless, don't worry.

Ships, choppers and tanks are all treated by Ra2 as vehicles, and there is a 100 unit limit on those.

I've already decided which ships will be in; just wait and see .

[Allied General]

hmm perhaps make missiles more inaccurate or cause much less spread multipler damage?

You could also consider adding ammo to units, especially for the SSBN's.

also how about those human torpedoes and cheap demolition units that Iran would use?

also isn't the classic tactic to swarm an ship with naval and aircraft at once.

Edited by Allied General, 26 May 2005 - 07:53 AM.

[Az3r^]

yeah, when i play the original i go for the big guns first, i use air and sea and then deal with the support after, just like in RL , i dunno i mean they have ground defences right, if you want to stop missiles just bulid anti-missile/air defenses ?

[Major_Gilbear]

Yes, you are supposed to swarm a ship with several aircraft at once.

SSBNs will have missiles like the Yuri Boomer; they will have limited ammo and the missiles can be shot down. This is so that they are comparable to ACCs in game-terms, as well it being reasonably realistic.

Iran will not have human torpedoes or other stupid units like that. Code Red is suppsed to be semi-serious, and jokey units like that belong in Generals. Iran will have a suicide infantryman (only because they have a record for doing such things as suicide attacks and human-wave assaults), and that is it. No crap like demo boats, demo planes, demo trucks, demo cars and Toxin Tractors.

Choppers will be in; two per side currently, there is usually an attack chopper and a unility chopper. Some sides will have fewer, some will have more, and in one case the chopper roles might overlap a bit.

[Allied General]

i though human torpedoes were acceptable weapons?

i'm sure the argentineans used them.

so how does iran counter navy

[Major_Gilbear]

Iran has weak naval forces. It relies mostly on preventing the enemy from using theirs rather than countering it directly with thier own. The Iranian naval units will be mostly used as wolf packs or "speed bumps", depending on the situation. They are not really meant to stand toe-to-toe with other navies in a direct engagement.

Iran will have to be "sneakier" in its tactics compared to other countries if it is to pull off a win. It will still be balanced, but it will require different tactics to ther other five countries.

[wilmet]

oooh sneakyness , I love it

we're not talking rubber dingies with commandos and sticks of dynamite per chance ?

[Allied General]

oooh sneakyness , I love it 

we're not talking rubber dingies with commandos and sticks of dynamite per chance ?

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lol probably not.

I always find "stealth" to be hard in cnc games

[Major_Gilbear]

No rubber dinghies, no human torpedoes. If you want to know what Iran will have as a its naval units, a little research on your part will yeild the answer .

And I didn't say that Iran would be stealthy AG, I said players would be encouraged to be sneaky when playing as Iran.

[Az3r^]

that really makes me intrested, i like the sneakyness

[Allied General]

that really makes me intrested, i like the sneakyness

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lol same here, generically sneak is light armour, high speed, disguise & stealth but MG always surprises