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[Tom]

I decided to do this publically because I figured it might be the only way to make the leadership of this network actually listen to me for once.

Personally I know I don't do much here anymore, one I don't have the time or even the resources to help fund or develop Revora any longer. Its been fun. I saw the birth of this network, I even saw pre revora when CNC Guild and Origin were single networks. Those days were far more fun, but the merger was enjoyable as well. However recently the leadership has gone practically dead. A few small changes get made but not enough to get Revora to where it needs to be, hence the reason I am resigning from my position as network leader.

My suggestions to the network leaders of this network:

We've done a good job getting revora to where it is now, however much of us no longer have the time or even the money to build Revora more. It's nice getting to know everyone here, in the last few months i've enjoyed actually talking to people more rather than trying to be in a higher position of responsibility.

Anyway, i think its time for new leadership for this network, new ideas, concepts and plans. This network is only going around in cycles and if the problem is not solved, it will dissolve and its members will get fed up. I see so many people fed up with the current leadership and its lack of ambition. We make plans, we talk but no action.

When i did suggest an idea that would actually work it was replaced by this silly idea of giving each other "positions." E.g. Hybrid: Staff Manager. It wasn't going to work, it is never going to work. We are all too busy otherwise.

Instead my suggestion for you guys is to find a new network leader, my candidates for my replacement would be either: Blodo, Mspencer or codecat, but that is up to you guys to decide. Then i suggest trying to maybe take on my "network advisor" idea and you guys can then sit in the background as you have new leadership/middle management to run this place.

Suggestions to you guys:
MM: None, doing a great job, thanks for your service to this network
Banshee: Stop being such a control-whore
Hostile: Fine, just stop overreacting about small little things that are insignificant (e.g. banning Koma)
Blaat: doing a fine job, just keep the community bot-spam free and in a good shape, remember we all like real spam though

I have no hard feelings towards any of you, remember that, these above are directly related to your leadership of this network. I love you all personally because your all great people.

Anyway: Revora needs a middle management. This is why its failing now. As network leaders i believe you should organise this. My plan never went ahead on behalf of Mspencer because i never got time to organise anything with him, but i still believe the idea would work successfully. There are many candidates for middle management: Paradox, Codecat, Blodo, Mspencer etc. I seriously reckon you should give it a try.

Thanks to everyone here, i've enjoyed being part of this community and meeting you all. I'll still be hanging around as "undead" but my activity here will most likely drop.

Hybrid

Edited by Hybrid, 22 November 2006 - 03:11 PM.

[Ash]

He has the skillz and the respect around here to bow out gracefully. Three cheers for ze Tom, Hero of Revora.

Blaat: doing a fine job, just keep the community spam free and in a good shape

Wait...Blaat keep the forum spam free? That's a laugh! She causes most of it!

[chemical ali]

Tom you lesbian, have you found a new passion instead of Revora?

Dare I say called work!

[Ash]

I'll put my fiver on 'social life'. Which is where most of my time's been goin'.

[Tom]

Social life is my new passion yeah, but uni work is actually starting to get extreme too.

I actually wanna do something with my life for once rather than sitting behind a computer hiding away from the world. lol.

[OmegaBolt]

But its so fun hiding behind a computer... except the eye strain...

Anyway, good luck in whatever your going to do for real. Havent been here long but im sure you were great.

[chemical ali]

Ah all this news of work is concerning to me for next year!

I thought you only went to university for the social life! Lets now ask questions, tom you got a girlfriend, what uni you at, whats the price of pint, whats the room like? Is the level of totty compliament with federal standards?

[Tom]

I thought you only went to university for the social life!

I never had a real social life before i came here, unless you can call going to 3 mates houses on different days and smoking weed with them in their rooms, social.

Lets now ask questions, tom you got a girlfriend,

There are loads of nice girls here, but most of them i don't really get on too well with personally. The one i really do like and would like to be with is one of my best friends here so its a little complicated heh (well maybe only in my mind).

what uni you at,

Canterbury christ church

whats the price of pint,

At the uni's club called the "student union" its usually £1 per pint, in a pub down the road called "The penny theater" its a £1 per pint on mondays but then usually £1.50 per pint on other days. If you sign up for a "yellow card" you get like a 10% discount on top of that but also load of spam e-mails from the yellow card people. Most pubs give discounts to students here during the daytime (upto 7pm usually).

whats the room like?

Well its just a room. Not too bad, but it is just a room. Each room is different. I've got the smallest room in my flat, but it does fine for me.

Is the level of totty compliament with federal standards?

Wish i knew what you meant by this.

[kinglufc]

nice one matey you have done a lot for us and thanks for all the things which you ahvae done for revora, glad to see you actally are getting a social life.

[CodeCat]

Good luck with whatever you're doing. And there's always a spot for you here if you decide to return.

I'll try not to blow up C&C Guild in your absence.

[Banshee]

The leadership hasn't gone dead, honestly. There were more focus, from me, MM, Hostile and Blaat on the divisions (The 3rd Age, Petrolution, CnC3 and others) and on the Hive hosting changes, which was heavly discussed by the staff, network admins, advisor (Spencer) and network leaders.

Revora is being re-organized, since there are several problems inside it that needs to be sorted. This doesn't mean we are going in circles. But it's true that many ideas hardly become reality. Our magic wand is broken for years and we can't fix it in the next 100 years. So, we need to make these ideas become reality with our hard job and help from others. Or, abort them, if they are definitelly impossible. Anyway, if that helps to makes me a control whore (which I admit: I am), I'm trully sorry, but like many people here, I want to see good ideas becoming a reality.

So, I usually negotiate with people a way to make it possible, trying to find a happy medium, a consensus. Due to the limitations from my non-functional crystall ball (also another equipment that will take over 100 years to be fixed), I may misunderstand people's ideas... including yours, or sometimes, it fails for other reasons.. maybe my problems, maybe not. I have objectives when I do these negotiation and I make them clear, but it's hard to please greeks and trojans.

If you can explain me a way to reduce or eliminate my 'control-whore' factor, please, do it. I'm interested to learn it.


Anyway, it's really a pitty to see you going, but if you think it's best for you to do that, I wish you the best luck on your future projects and for your whole life. You are a great and a very fun person.



Regarding the middle management, how would it work?

[Shine On]

Ah this sucks Tom but its your choice in the end and as long as you're happy mate just make sure you do still hang around here and pop in from time to time. Its good to talk to you


Good luck mate

[Tom]

The leadership hasn't gone dead, honestly. There were more focus, from me, MM, Hostile and Blaat on the divisions (The 3rd Age, Petrolution, CnC3 and others) and on the Hive hosting changes, which was heavly discussed by the staff, network admins, advisor (Spencer) and network leaders.

What about organising the older divisions first. The ones that are actually the foundation of the network. I mean Immo is doing a good job with CNC Guild but it still needs a dedicated staff group. Its the problem, i know i could have done it so i'm not innocent. We know what the real issues are, we just never solve them.

Revora is being re-organized, since there are several problems inside it that needs to be sorted.

Its been in a "reorganisation" process since September 2005 when "Revolution" started.

This doesn't mean we are going in circles. But it's true that many ideas hardly become reality. Our magic wand is broken for years and we can't fix it in the next 100 years. So, we need to make these ideas become reality with our hard job and help from others. Or, abort them, if they are definitelly impossible.

I know, hence why we need middle management. People who can help do the work/reorganisation with us. People with strong ideas, like those i suggested. Mspencer, Immo, blodo, ash etc. People who actually have experiencing and time with this network but also new to the top side of revoras management.

Anyway, if that helps to makes me a control whore (which I admit: I am), I'm trully sorry, but like many people here, I want to see good ideas becoming a reality.

I know your doing what you think is best, but i feel you really need to listen and try new ideas more rather than just your own.

So, I usually negotiate with people a way to make it possible, trying to find a happy medium, a consensus.

We can't always find a medium consensus there needs to be actual leadership and decisions.

Due to the limitations from my non-functional crystall ball (also another equipment that will take over 100 years to be fixed), I may misunderstand people's ideas... including yours, or sometimes, it fails for other reasons.. maybe my problems, maybe not. I have objectives when I do these negotiation and I make them clear, but it's hard to please greeks and trojans.

Rofl i know.

If you can explain me a way to reduce or eliminate my 'control-whore' factor, please, do it. I'm interested to learn it.

Listen more, try to accept other peoples ideas, as they do yours and then try help them make it a reality. Remember, if an idea does not work its not the end of the world. You tried it, it didn't work so scrap it.

Anyway, it's really a pitty to see you going, but if you think it's best for you to do that, I wish you the best luck on your future projects and for your whole life. You are a great and a very fun person.

Cheers, i'm still hanging around, maybe pop a few suggestions, delete some spam, talk to people. Basically what i do not but without the actual feeling of responsibility. I actually said i might help ash get his project online as well as try reform [RoC]. So i will still be hovering around.

Regarding the middle management, how would it work?

The idea would be install people below you, but with the same powers, pratically. Then they can do the jobs you ask, organise people, help implement ideas. What revora needs is Proactive people? Immo, Blodo and Mspencer are all proactive. Thats all we've been missing from this time. The problem is anyone who is usually proactive has ideas blocked by the network leadership as we have tried to keep full control. All that you guys need to do is get some help, proactive people, listen to their ideas. Try them, let them implement and help and it could work.

Remember if the middle management idea doesn't work, just get rid of it.

Thats all the suggestions i got.

Maybe it would be nice to try get some revora representatives. People who frequent other communities often and can help get influence in those communities for revora.

[Lee]

*hugs* But i love you Tom :(

You truely are a God in my eyes You introduced me into Revora mainly, once i was made staff you were always there to help me and i thank you

Then came [RoC] thats when the fun really began and when i really got to know you more and thats when the romance blossomed . Speaking to you through TS and everyone was cool, your such a funny guy lol.

Why am i talking to you as if your leaving me forever? o.0 Which your not and never will :|

Anyway, you have been great so good luck with everything else

[Shine On]

But i still wanna pwn you on BF2 Will i ever get a chance now? :(

[Banshee]

The leadership hasn't gone dead, honestly. There were more focus, from me, MM, Hostile and Blaat on the divisions (The 3rd Age, Petrolution, CnC3 and others) and on the Hive hosting changes, which was heavly discussed by the staff, network admins, advisor (Spencer) and network leaders.

What about organising the older divisions first. The ones that are actually the foundation of the network. I mean Immo is doing a good job with CNC Guild but it still needs a dedicated staff group. Its the problem, i know i could have done it so i'm not innocent. We know what the real issues are, we just never solve them.

- I know CnC Guild needs help, but Petrolution is in a worse condition and needed more attention due to FoC release and the fact that it had no admin taking care of it. EA is organizing a C&C3 community summit sometime in the next month, and we want to make sure CnC 3 is fully functional by that time, so CnC3.net is also a big priority here. Unlike CnC3 and Petrolution, CnC Guild has two admins, who can hire staff and take pro-active actions to improve their side. I even helped them in this time, but not as much as the two I mentioned above. I'm not suposed to do everyone's job here.

Revora is being re-organized, since there are several problems inside it that needs to be sorted.

Its been in a "reorganisation" process since September 2005 when "Revolution" started.

- As I said, our magic wand doesn't work, Hybrid.

This doesn't mean we are going in circles. But it's true that many ideas hardly become reality. Our magic wand is broken for years and we can't fix it in the next 100 years. So, we need to make these ideas become reality with our hard job and help from others. Or, abort them, if they are definitelly impossible.

I know, hence why we need middle management. People who can help do the work/reorganisation with us. People with strong ideas, like those i suggested. Mspencer, Immo, blodo, ash etc. People who actually have experiencing and time with this network but also new to the top side of revoras management.

- These people you've mentioned are far too much overloaded, just like the NLs. The exception seems to be Spencer. Solinx and Dark Lord of the Sith also seems to be good candidates for a job like this.

Anyway, if that helps to makes me a control whore (which I admit: I am), I'm trully sorry, but like many people here, I want to see good ideas becoming a reality.

I know your doing what you think is best, but i feel you really need to listen and try new ideas more rather than just your own.

- I'll try, as long as they are somewhat coherent with what we have been doing so far and our conditions. I'm more open minded than you think .

So, I usually negotiate with people a way to make it possible, trying to find a happy medium, a consensus.

We can't always find a medium consensus there needs to be actual leadership and decisions.

- And that's done.

Anyway, it's really a pitty to see you going, but if you think it's best for you to do that, I wish you the best luck on your future projects and for your whole life. You are a great and a very fun person.

Cheers, i'm still hanging around, maybe pop a few suggestions, delete some spam, talk to people. Basically what i do not but without the actual feeling of responsibility. I actually said i might help ash get his project online as well as try reform [RoC]. So i will still be hovering around.

Regarding the middle management, how would it work?

The idea would be install people below you, but with the same powers, pratically. Then they can do the jobs you ask, organise people, help implement ideas. What revora needs is Proactive people? Immo, Blodo and Mspencer are all proactive. Thats all we've been missing from this time. The problem is anyone who is usually proactive has ideas blocked by the network leadership as we have tried to keep full control. All that you guys need to do is get some help, proactive people, listen to their ideas. Try them, let them implement and help and it could work.

Remember if the middle management idea doesn't work, just get rid of it.

Thats all the suggestions i got.

Maybe it would be nice to try get some revora representatives. People who frequent other communities often and can help get influence in those communities for revora.

We'll discuss this idea in the staff area. Thanks for the suggestion.

[Phil]

I don't really know you so I can't say what was good or bad. I can still wish you a lot of pleasure and success with what you want to do in future though. Good luck!

[Lee]

But i still wanna pwn you on BF2 Will i ever get a chance now? :(

You will, Tom and Me will still play BF2, only i think Tom will only be able to at the Christmas holiday

[ihateharriers]

it sucks to see you go man, but i would have to say that your reasoning is fair and just. i would have to say that people are right when they say that some of the places within revora need to be organized and better managed, one of which i would have to say is the CNC Guild, the others (being Petrolution and CNC3) right ont he dot as well.

i would like to say that i would be more than happy to step up into more a management postition, preferably within CNC Guild cause that's what i know best. i have a few ideas that really don't belong in this topic, so if CodeCat or Mig has any interest in hearing them send me a PM and we can discuss them.

anyways, good luck to you Tom on whatever your endeavours may be, and hopefully revora won't eat itself alive after all of this

[Hogo]

I have not been here for long, neither do I know you other than being a network leader, but it is always sad to see someone important go. I am sure you will have a great time at uni and what ever other amazing things you do. Good luck dude

Hogo

Edited by hogo98, 22 November 2006 - 07:06 PM.