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[the drazz]

What if on Byss and Korriban the Empire was able to produce dark side force adepts as minor heros, and as a counter, Yoda and Obi Wan could produce jedi minor heroes wherever they were at, kind of like how Rahm Marc could produce Dark Troopers at whatever planet he was at? Not very Canon, but it could make things more interesting.

[Kaleb Graff]

Interesting idea. I would just make jedi/sith academies buildable on certain worlds (Jedi on Yavin IV and Ossus, Sith on Korriban and Byss.) that produce the jedi/sith.

[skie9173]

actually i wouldn't say it was that far from canon really, more so for the rebels then the empire but still. there were alot of force sensitive agents that palpatine used. i different counter could simply be the fact that the rebels could get (and already do seem) to get more true force users. An idea could be to allow upgrade paths for characters like leia and kyle katarn to become jedi/gain jedi powers. i'm sure that there are other rebel/new republic heroes not in the game yet that could work like this too. personally i'd like to add Corran Horn but that's mainly due to the fact that he is one of my favorite characters and not due to any need for him.

[the drazz]

well i guess it wouldnt be too far fetched, but I still like the idea of having one of the jedi masters present to build them, because the jedi were very few at the time.

[Kaleb Graff]

actually i wouldn't say it was that far from canon really, more so for the rebels then the empire but still. there were alot of force sensitive agents that palpatine used. i different counter could simply be the fact that the rebels could get (and already do seem) to get more true force users. An idea could be to allow upgrade paths for characters like leia and kyle katarn to become jedi/gain jedi powers. i'm sure that there are other rebel/new republic heroes not in the game yet that could work like this too. personally i'd like to add Corran Horn but that's mainly due to the fact that he is one of my favorite characters and not due to any need for him.

More jedi heroes is a good idea, too. The problem is lack of models.

well i guess it wouldnt be too far fetched, but I still like the idea of having one of the jedi masters present to build them, because the jedi were very few at the time.

Maybe we could have to have the master there to build the academy.

[the drazz]

Maybe we could have to have the master there to build the academy.

Yeah, that could work.

[keraunos]

Excellent idea, already exist in mods like AOTR 2.0, and fits it very well The only cons are lack of skins (probably solvable - there might be some mods with jedi skins available) and lack of GCW-support There were really very few jedi/sith then, and they should rather be treated as heroes, not regular units. That's my usual, conservative 0.02

[skie9173]

I like the idea of needing a master to build an academy, probably limit them to only specific planets like someone else said. Also we can always set limits on how many can be produced at any given time and how many can be trained total throughout the game, like some people have done for dreadnoughts.

[Kaleb Graff]

Excellent idea, already exist in mods like AOTR 2.0, and fits it very well The only cons are lack of skins (probably solvable - there might be some mods with jedi skins available) and lack of GCW-support There were really very few jedi/sith then, and they should rather be treated as heroes, not regular units. That's my usual, conservative 0.02

They would be minor heroes, like Smugglers. Also, we could limit the total production, as skie suggested.

I like the idea of needing a master to build an academy, probably limit them to only specific planets like someone else said. Also we can always set limits on how many can be produced at any given time and how many can be trained total throughout the game, like some people have done for dreadnoughts.

Limits are good, and would make jedi more powerful, as they wouldn't be mass-producible.

[the drazz]

and with the sith we could make differant categories, like Prophets of the darkside, or Emperor's hands.

[Kaleb Graff]

The only problem is added complexity. Also, how would we balance it out with the Rebels?

[Badwolfwho]

The only problem is added complexity. Also, how would we balance it out with the Rebels?

Well the Rebels could get Jedi Guardians that could have very strong lightsaber powers but weak Force abilities, Jedi Consulars who would get the advanced force abilities like Force Wave and Force Crush and Jedi Sentinels who would have a middle ground approach

[Kaleb Graff]

The only problem is added complexity. Also, how would we balance it out with the Rebels?

Well the Rebels could get Jedi Guardians that could have very strong lightsaber powers but weak Force abilities, Jedi Consulars who would get the advanced force abilities like Force Wave and Force Crush and Jedi Sentinels who would have a middle ground approach

Interesting approach. So do you play KOTOR? (I'm guessing based on the names) It would work pretty well, actually.

[skie9173]

haha i was actually thinking about suggesting the exact same thing. If we go with special buildings or specific heroes to build minor jedi/sith then might it be possible to make it that like yoda/palpatine can produce each fraction's master/sith lord type and the balanced type (if it is even needed). Then Luke or Obi-wan/Vader could produce the more melee favored jedi and the balance one. It would kinda make more sense as how each would teach and might help with balance some since you need specific heroes to build certian types. though balance would be thrown off unless Rebel's get their Jedi right away... double bladed sword i guess

[Kaleb Graff]

haha i was actually thinking about suggesting the exact same thing. If we go with special buildings or specific heroes to build minor jedi/sith then might it be possible to make it that like yoda/palpatine can produce each fraction's master/sith lord type and the balanced type (if it is even needed). Then Luke or Obi-wan/Vader could produce the more melee favored jedi and the balance one. It would kinda make more sense as how each would teach and might help with balance some since you need specific heroes to build certian types. though balance would be thrown off unless Rebel's get their Jedi right away... double bladed sword i guess

Interesting. We could make it so that the basic type or types are producible without a hero, but the more advanced require a hero, and are probably only available in limited numbers.

[the drazz]

how about just three differant classes, jedi, jedi knight, and jedi master, each with differant abilities?

[Kaleb Graff]

how about just three differant classes, jedi, jedi knight, and jedi master, each with differant abilities?

With jedi buildable with no heroes, knights with low-level force sensitive heroes, and masters with high-level heroes? That would be very good.

[the drazz]

how about just three differant classes, jedi, jedi knight, and jedi master, each with differant abilities?

With jedi buildable with no heroes, knights with low-level force sensitive heroes, and masters with high-level heroes? That would be very good.

Sure, and while masters are more powerful, they cost alot more money.

And also, the Empire should have three levels of dark siders to counter, not sith because of the rule of two. MAybe Dark Jedi, Emperor's Hands, and Prophets of the Dark Side? And also maybe they should be able to build Nightsisters on Dathomir.

[Kaleb Graff]

how about just three differant classes, jedi, jedi knight, and jedi master, each with differant abilities?

With jedi buildable with no heroes, knights with low-level force sensitive heroes, and masters with high-level heroes? That would be very good.

Sure, and while masters are more powerful, they cost alot more money.

And also, the Empire should have three levels of dark siders to counter, not sith because of the rule of two. MAybe Dark Jedi, Emperor's Hands, and Prophets of the Dark Side? And also maybe they should be able to build Nightsisters on Dathomir.

The first is obvious. I don't know about Nightsisters, because the Rebels should be able to make force witches too. And I would replace Prophets with Inquisitors.