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[Ash]

I just thought I'd spark up a philosophical debate here regarding the Afterlife (the concepts of "Enlightenment", "Heaven", "Hell", etc) apply.

Out of you all, who believes that there is an afterlife? Or who renounces it, and says that when you die, that's it?


The more important question is, would we want an afterlife? I mean, after however many years we walk and we work our asses off in this life, who here can honestly say they look forward to a better life after death?

I certainly don't. I don't believe in an afterlife for a second, but the very prospect of one is an irk to me.
I do not fear death. But the idea that I might have to do something after I die is not something I relish. I accept that an afterlife might yield unlimited happiness for me. But I fear that it would possibly also yield unlimited suffering. Or it might be just as fuckin' bad as this life (perhaps even a reincarnation...which would mean that nothing was any better). I don't want to have to go through all this crap again or anything similar!

When I die, I want to die. I want that to be it. The end. Finito. And I am fairly solid in my reasoning that that is how it's gonna be. But still, the thought that there might be an afterlife does worry me.



Also, as an unrelated note, I've suddenly had a pang of conscience, for when I die, people are going to feel upset and sorry and will mourn my passing. I don't fuckin want that! I want them to either celebrate my life, or not fuckin bother and carry on without me. Look, I'm dead. And no amount of you cryin's gonna bring me back... That's ANOTHER reason I fear an afterlife: I will feel guilty even in death for causing pain to others. That's how I would prefer my death be dealt with...by not crying or feeling pain or upset, but by joy at the life I did have, and the life that I shared with my loved ones, and what I accomplished and acheived in it.



I apologise if anyone finds the words I just said offensive in any way. I mean, I appreciate some of you will have had relations or loved ones pass on, and I fully do sympathise. I've had it happen myself... I am just stating how I would like it to be when my time to pass on arrives. I mean absolutely no disrespect in the words I just gave...

~CJ

[Deathblow Luc]

Well, actually i dont think theres an explicit afterlife but a reincarantion. I believe fate is predestinated to what our souls need to learn to evolve...so basically we reincarnate on that we subestimated/hated/repressed in our current life, to experiment what it is...i aint worried at all about afterlife or incarnation, since our collective conscience of past life, event if existant isnt activated on a posterior life, even if our inconscious would actually base itself upon it in part.

[Ash]

Hm, I think I understand. That's a question that's kept me up at night as well.

I wondered, perhaps, that the sense of 'I' that I have, my sense of self and being, I wondered what happened to it when I was dead. Would the same sense of 'I' I feel appear again in another person or being? If so, what or who would that being be?
Hopefully it would be something/one totally contrasting from who I am now. Perhaps it would be female or something, if only to experience a life differing from the one I lead.
Perhaps a recycling of the sense of 'I' or the sense of self, the 'me' might be used again in something else. I think that's what you were trying to say, right, Arg?

I don't really fear or worry about the afterlife. It was just a thought I had. I don't want to have had to put up with this crap only to go on into something worse. I am not sure I even want eternal happiness in "Heaven". I'm dead, for fuck's sake, lol, i've kinda lost the will to live. I especially don't wanna live eternally.

It's like:
"I'm dead. So let me rest in peace. And stop playing that goddamn harp! How'm I sposed to sleep with you playing a frickin' harp!?"

[Deathblow Luc]

Yeah, thats similar to what i said.

[Allied General]

I think when we die, its more like been cyrogenically frozen, then at a later date we are judged on our actions on this planet, etc.

[Ash]

By whom, and to what end?

[Allied General]

who knows what our purpose is or who made life spark off in our planet but I would like to think we should all be friendly, cheerful and less abusive to ourselfs and others.

And to what end? To be happy and reach a stage of perfection. The human being is unlike any other creature on the planet, we seek knowledge, perfection and we don't just get it from evolution. I don't think a deer thinks "why does this wolf want to eat me?" its natural instinct but there's something about us that makes as different. We are like tiberium in CNC.

[Ash]

Perfection does not, and cannot exist. If we ever reached Heaven, it would not be good enough for us. Because humans are greedy. They always want more.

[Natus]

Perfection would be imperfect, as perfection itself is imperfect. Nothing can ever be truly perfect, it would defy us in its very essence.

As for an after life... well, as i see life, this is merely a prelude to the next, this is but a part of a puzzle. We all have our place, we all have a purpose, wether its to die fighting for our country, or to work out our lives in an office. Consider life a dawn, consider death midday, and after...

[Shinigami]

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[Tom]

Theres no life after death. Its impossible for a 'great power' to exist. Even if he did why the hell would it make a floating piece of shit. Religion is a load of crap, finito.

[Andre27]

Religion is, but God is real.

[Tom]

Explain to me how god can be real. Nothing proves he is real at all. Its impossible by the law of physics for 'it' it exist. Not sure about god making humans but humans making god, sounds very correct.

[Andre27]

What you are saying is that cannot prove God exists therefor God does not exist.
There are things which we cannot prove.

E.g. you/me cannot prove that wind exists. We can prove that leaves are moved by the wind, we can prove that air will flow towards a region with the lowest pressure, but still we cannot prove wind. we can only prove things that are a result of wind.

If God exists He is a being that is beyond our understanding. beyond our capability to prove him. Just because we cannot prove him doesn't mean He does not exist.

Me personally have seen miracles happen, but those miracles are not the reason why i believe in God. The reason i believe in God is because i've come to know Him, love Him like a father. I cannot explain Him, but i know he's real. All the miracles i've seen and the beauty of His creation are just a confirmation of that fact.

I said that Religion is crapp, but God is not.
This is because religion has nothing to do weather (sp) or not God exists. Religion is just the way humans express their interpretation of God (or a God)

[Tom]

Miricles = nature. Its not anything supernatural. Nature is everything.

[Andre27]

I've seen people recover from Cancer while it was medically impossible.

I've heard recordings of Voices which sung at a tone which the human voice cannot reach and which cannot be replicated by any of the technology today.
Interesting note: these background voices sang Haleluja.

Nature: No
Divine intervention: Yes.

But like i already said: these miracles i've seen are just a confirmation, not a reason why i know God is real.

[Shinigami]

I kinda gotta agree with Andre. God is real. However, I will admit that the concept of infinity makes me nearly suicidal with confusion and non-understanding (word?)

[Tom]

People recovering from cancer is just the body recovering. It may be said to be medically impossible but maybe the body did something. Maybe the cancer cells died and stop multiplying. I know it sounds weird, but i believe its just a coincidence. No miracle. As you can see i;m strongly atheist. I don't see how it can be possible. And i don't see why a 'god' would want to make this earth. If he does exist, them i'm missing him because he isn't doing anything for me.

[Andre27]

This person had leukemia in the Final Stages. She was laying in the hospital waiting. When her blood was examined that day she had an incredible high count of white bloodcells (not good). The next day that cellcount was back to normal. her bonemarrow was no longer damaged, Lymphe knots no longer infected.

At first there was thought about a switch of patients or some sort of lab-error, but the results were the same when a new sample of blood was examined.

It is medically impossible for Leukemia to heal in such a short period of time.

Interesting note: that day people from the church she visited had come to pray for her. And this is just 1 story, there are hundreds of people gaining their health after prayer.
Think what you want, but i know it was divine intervention.

[Tom]

Hmmm. I feel the belief of god is just for safety. Religion is just a form of control. I can't say whether god exists or not. I don't believe it does, yet weird things do happen. And i believe its due to nature. It might not be medically possible, yet we do not understand cancer 100%. So maybe theres something that happened that we do not know of.