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[sevrun]

Ok, I've vaguely figured out how to work the space stations... sorta. But how am I supposed to land troops when an AT-ST is fully capable of accurate fire ACROSS THE MAP? I am at least thankful that they have to get line of sight on me, but across the entire map?? really? I was unaware that an AT-ST mounted artillery cannons. And speaking of the AT-ST, I've seen speeder bikes move across the map slower. I'd be thankful that they at least need line of sight to fire across the map if only their spotters weren't at my LZ within 10 seconds.

Now I'm all for a good fight, don't get me wrong, but the inability to get boots on the ground kinda precludes that possibility.

[Stormhawk]

Ok, I've vaguely figured out how to work the space stations... sorta. But how am I supposed to land troops when an AT-ST is fully capable of accurate fire ACROSS THE MAP? I am at least thankful that they have to get line of sight on me, but across the entire map?? really? I was unaware that an AT-ST mounted artillery cannons. And speaking of the AT-ST, I've seen speeder bikes move across the map slower. I'd be thankful that they at least need line of sight to fire across the map if only their spotters weren't at my LZ within 10 seconds.

Now I'm all for a good fight, don't get me wrong, but the inability to get boots on the ground kinda precludes that possibility.

As you appear to have discovered, ground combat in this mod is basically unplayable. It's definitely a work in progress, so I'd just autoresolve all ground combats for now.

Edit: Also, welcome to the mod!

Edited by Stormhawk, 28 September 2011 - 07:05 PM.

[sevrun]

Yeah, I've actually enjoyed feeling my way through how things work. Has left me with one very interesting question.

Has anyone considered a manual or tutorial? there's not a lotta EAW left in PR, and from what I've read, looking to be even less in 1.2

Other than that, I'm running headlong into the limits of the GUI when it comes to ship production and ship research. I seem to recall a mod having mentioned a GUI overhaul, but don't quote me on that having been successful. Any suggestions for how to manage the GUI would be greatly appreciated as I'm still feelin rather swamped by the mod

Edited by sevrun, 28 September 2011 - 09:03 PM.

[evilbobthebob]

The team is fully aware of these playability issues and rest assured that we're working our hardest to make 1.2 as polished as possible.

[sevrun]

I kinda figured on that Just looking for ways to work around in the mean time.

[Stormhawk]

Ok, I've vaguely figured out how to work the space stations... sorta.

If you still have a question about this, I wrote a kind of summary post here:

http://forums.revora...feet-wet-in-gc/

The 11th post down.

[sargeantsandwich]

Has anyone considered a manual or tutorial? there's not a lotta EAW left in PR, and from what I've read, looking to be even less in 1.2

I remember that there's been some talk about using the black fleet crisis as a tutorial. For now you just have to figure things out... and from what I understand there's some stuff only PR knows about!

[Ghostrider]

Has anyone considered a manual or tutorial? there's not a lotta EAW left in PR, and from what I've read, looking to be even less in 1.2

I remember that there's been some talk about using the black fleet crisis as a tutorial. For now you just have to figure things out... and from what I understand there's some stuff only PR knows about!

We realise that V1.2 has changed a lot from vanilla, and the situation is on the radar.

[sevrun]

awesome, didn't mean to cause a stink or nothin, just offerin my quick thoughts.

[Phoenix Rising]

But how am I supposed to land troops when an AT-ST is fully capable of accurate fire ACROSS THE MAP? I am at least thankful that they have to get line of sight on me, but across the entire map?? really? I was unaware that an AT-ST mounted artillery cannons.

Just to comment on this point specifically, yes, land combat in v1.1 is unadulterated canon. That is the actual effective range of its cannons according to d20 roleplaying, although supplementary systems like the targeting computer and sensors are more a matter of conjecture.

[sevrun]

Egad... that would imply that the AT-ST's animations aren't really capable of supporting it's actual speed (thing looked like it was trying to tapdance at a run)

And if the AT-ST has that kinda range then the AT-ATs range... Yeah

the Reb infantry did ok against the things but getting any kinda boots on the ground would require either range nerfs or a freakin huge map. And I'd really hate to see the maps that have been done already go to waste. Yes, I've been going into the base Layouts to at least see what my planets look like Other than the initial gutcheck from that first planetary assault, I've found the mod quite enjoyable (in some cases enough so to skip out of a class or two of my online courses)

Had to scratch my head to figure out where the REbs got so many different types of Destroyer class ship by week 8 when I was just starting research on my Venators (love those things) but nothing an HVG and 418 couldn't resolve At some point I'll work up to trying the Rebs again now that I have a clearer understanding of WHY I got my backside stomped in those battles.

[Stormhawk]

Had to scratch my head to figure out where the REbs got so many different types of Destroyer class ship by week 8 when I was just starting research on my Venators (love those things) but nothing an HVG and 418 couldn't resolve At some point I'll work up to trying the Rebs again now that I have a clearer understanding of WHY I got my backside stomped in those battles.

In 1.1, the a.i. literally starts out with more forces than you do. Significantly more. I remember a Core Worlds battle when I had to hold Couruscant againt MC80's with a couple of Acclamator Star Frigates. That probably explains what you're seeing. Also, Venators take forever to build.

[sevrun]

I had guessed, since I haven't seen them rebuilt since trapping and obliterating. gives it a bit of an advantage in the initial expansion, but I tend to lose fewer ships as I prefer a long range bombardment doctrine to naval warfare. I roll into a system and stand off at maximum range to pound on the defenses or anything else that strays into range. Fleet officers REALLY help in this regard as they can give me a much better view, in fact, they give me a good enough view to see farther than I can shoot. ALWAYS a plus.

The AI doesn't appear to have a clear idea of how to react to that event in 1.1 though every once in a while it'll react with a full blown counter assault that is one HELL of a show.

[Henry X]

Yeah you guys should put out some feelers for some mappers.

Will definitely speed up production on 1.3

[evilbobthebob]

*cough* well, if you look at my title...

[Phoenix Rising]

Egad... that would imply that the AT-ST's animations aren't really capable of supporting it's actual speed

That's correct. Acceleration also seems to be broken on certain locomotors, so instead of ten seconds to top speed, you're seeing instant top speed.

And if the AT-ST has that kinda range then the AT-ATs range... Yeah

They started firing shortly after being spotted on Hoth and the RPG numbers are pretty close to reflecting that.

Other than the initial gutcheck from that first planetary assault, I've found the mod quite enjoyable (in some cases enough so to skip out of a class or two of my online courses)

Ha!

Had to scratch my head to figure out where the REbs got so many different types of Destroyer class ship by week 8 when I was just starting research on my Venators

We've attempted to address that in v1.2.

[sevrun]

No big deal boss, you've already replaced my former Star wars space battle mod. Only thing I think I'd like more, is if it was a Clone Wars Era mod, but from what (admittedly little) I understand there, the cannon is a little fuzzy. Course, I still prefer Phoenix rising over the CWE mods I've come across. For how I personally view the universe at large, it's just an all round superior package. Actually, technical problems with one of those is what led to someone suggesting your mod, and I'm very glad he did.

[DaveAshton]

And if the AT-ST has that kinda range then the AT-ATs range... Yeah

They started firing shortly after being spotted on Hoth and the RPG numbers are pretty close to reflecting that.

Isn't that one of the reasons AT-ATs are so massive? The guns have got incredible range, but obviously can only fire as far as they can see (which would usually be the horizon). Therefore, making the vehicle bigger (with the guns higher from the ground) equals making them capable of shooting further.

[Henry X]

and what are your plans for the maps? Are you guys going to make them much larger?

[Phoenix Rising]

Isn't that one of the reasons AT-ATs are so massive? The guns have got incredible range, but obviously can only fire as far as they can see (which would usually be the horizon). Therefore, making the vehicle bigger (with the guns higher from the ground) equals making them capable of shooting further.

There's a definite tactical advantage having a gun 20 meters off the ground opposed to only a couple meters. Effective range also has to do with the cannon and how rapidly the bolt loses punch after it's fired (Df rating), although that's usually a matter of kilometers. On the other hand, it's very hard to miss an AT-AT.

and what are your plans for the maps? Are you guys going to make them much larger?

Generally not as large as Hypori, but bigger than most of the EaW ones. A map should never be so big that you can get lost in it trying to locate the enemy.