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[{IP}Solstice]

This has been driving me nuts for the last few weeks, Is Beleriand more west or North of middle earth? I keep looking at maps but I haven't been able to come up with a good solution. Anybody have an Idea?

[Radspakr Wolfbane]

It's in the far west under the Sea (Darling it's better down where it's wetter )
Basically it's the land East of Ered Luin.
The little stretch of land on the East side of Ered Luin is the remainder of the land Ossiriand.

[Námo]

Basically it's the land East of Ered Luin.
The little stretch of land on the East side of Ered Luin is the remainder of the land Ossiriand.

West, not East ...

... and the stretch of land is called Lindon ... well, there are actually two: Forlindon and Harlindon, meaning North Lindon and South Lindon.

Some small parts of Beleriand remained above sea-level: Tol Morwen (graves of Túrin and Morwen), Tol Fuin (remnants of the highlands of Dorthonion) and Himling (in First Age called Hill of Himring) ... the position of the last in relation to Ered Luin is used by cartographers to align the differences (in scale and extent) of the maps from First Age and Third Age.

[Radspakr Wolfbane]

West that's what I meant.
Lindon was the newer name for Ossiriand though since we are talking about a realm from the 1st age I figured I should use the
First Age name for it.

[Námo]

If you get the geography right, you can find a lot of interesting and useful lore in relation to both Elves and (especially) Dwarves.

[Vortigern]

I found a giant map with everything: Map

Look, there's Beleriand just above the Shire and Lindon and below Doriath, whatever that is.

(I would have just image-posted it up here, but it's ginormous so I didn't.)

[Námo]

Yeah, nice map, in the Tolkien tradition of 'picturesque' maps.

It's from "A Tolkien Bestiary", by David Day, published by Mitchell Beazley Publishers Ltd.

The map has a few good features, but is generally very faulty, when you go outside the Northwestern part of Middle-earth 3rd Age. Valinor is OK, and it's one of very few maps who get Utumno almost right. Rhûn and Harad are shown way too small, and 1st Age Beleriand is way too big, and placed too much north of Eriador.

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@ Vortigern: David Day is also the author of "Tolkien's Ring" (Pavilion Books Ltd., illustrated by Alan Lee) with comparison to other myths featuring powerful rings: Norrøn mythology (Odin), Vølsungesaga, the legends of Arthur, Carolingian myths, Celtic and Saxon myths, Germanic legends, Niebelungenlied, Greek and Roman myths, Biblical legends, Oriental myths, the Ring of the Alchemists and Wagner's Ring.

Edited by Námo, 02 June 2011 - 11:13 AM.

[{IP}Solstice]

I own that book actually and it raised the question because if Lindon was the remains of Ossriand than something just isn't right.

[{IP}Solstice]

Nevermind, I found the perfect map that shows what was their in the first age and what was left in the third age.

[darkestoftheeast]

can u post a link to that map? and yeah all that stuff was destroyed/ flooded in the war of wrath

[{IP}Solstice]

I'm not sure if I still have it, so I will need a moment to search through the contents of my hard drive. (my hard drive is a mess also)

edit: Ok, here it is. (I have more detailed one's if you need them,cause this one does squeeze beleriand in quite a bit)

Edited by {IP}Solstice, 21 July 2012 - 05:34 AM.

[Irenë Hawnetyne]

As far as my knowledge goes, the now out of print Karen Fonstad's 'Atlas of Middle-earth' is one of the most accurate collections of maps, taken completely from Tolkien's maps, descriptions and words. And also, unless I'm mistaken, your above map is slightly faulted, as the southern coast of Ancient Beleriand only stretches to the southern cape of Harlindon.
Compare:

[{IP}Solstice]

Here's another map I found,very artistic in my opinion. (and i believe that beleriand could have stretched a bit further south than harlindon)

http://img179.images...iandmecompo.jpg

Edited by {IP}Solstice, 28 July 2012 - 04:46 PM.