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Posted 11 August 2015 - 07:19 PM

The following notes was started before the first movie of "The Hobbit" did reach the cinemas, but discontinued because of my disappointment with Peter Jackson's disrespect for Tolkiens lore.

 

I have not added anything to the notes since, so people must take them "as is" - just a little spillover from the harddisc on my old computer.

 

The notes may be mainly of interest for mappers; you'll find a few geographical details and names, which are not normally known or associated to Mirkwood.

 

The notes are incomplete.

 

 

GREENWOOD THE GREAT / MIRKWOOD

 

 

The Silvan Elves of Mirkwood: The Farothrim

Of the Elves who undertook the Great Journey in search of the Undying Lands, the third and largest kindred were the Teleri, and because these people were so numerous their passage was slowest, and those unable or unwilling to complete the journey were in greater numbers than the other two kindred [the Vanyar and the Noldor].

The first division recorded in that journey came when the Teleri halted before the Great River Anduin and, looking beyond, saw the Misty Mountains. This mighty barrier terrified the Elves and so, rather than risk crossing the mountains, some went southwards down the Great River and lived in places unknown to others of their kin; they were named the Nandor ("those who turn back"). Some of the Nandor later crossed the mountains, and entered into Beleriand where they settled in fair Ossiriand, and there became known as the Laiquendi (the "Greenelves").

The Silvan Elves of Mirkwood were in origin of the Nandor; they became a people apart, unlike their kin, save that they loved water, and dwelt most beside falls and running streams. They were a wandering woodland folk, and they had no equal in the ways of woodlore and woodcraft. Greater knowledge they had of living things, tree and herb, bird and beast, than all other Elves. They were clad in green and brown, and hunted with bows and had weapons made from certain base metals, but they did nor know how to forge arms of steel.

In the late Third Age their weponry had greatly improved, probably through contact or trade with the Dwarws of Erebor. At that time they also used horses, which they might have got from the Northmen, either from the people of Dale or from those remnants of the kingdoms of Rhovanion still living between the eaves of Mirkwood and the River Celduin. In "The Hobbit" it is said, that "companies of the Wood-elves, sometimes with the king at their head, would from time to time ride out to hunt, or to other business in the woods and in the lands to the East."

When not in open war, the Elves mostly relied on woodcraft, stealth and enchantment; when Bilbo and the Dwarves were approching the camp-fire of the Wood-elves, "all the lights went out as if by magic" and Bilbo was "falling like a log into sleep" - next time it had been Thorin who stepped forward, and "as the lights went out he fell like a stone enchanted." Third time "the forest was fading once more into the blackness of night, when suddently out sprang sprang the light of many torches all around them. Out leaped Wood-elves with their bows and spears."

 

 

Early Elven realms of Greenwood the Great: Amon Lanc and Emyn Duir:

Dol Guldur was originally known as Amon Lanc ("Bald Hill") in Greenwood the Great. Amon Lanc was the highest point in the highland at the south-west corner of the Greenwood, and was so called because no trees grew on its summit. It had been the capital of Oropher's Silvan Elves, who had departed north to the Dark Mountains (later known as the Mountains of Mirkwood).

Oropher had come among them with only a handful of Sindar, and they were soon merged with the Silvan Elves, adopting their language and taking names of Silvan form and style. This they did deliberately; for they came from Doriath after its ruin and had no desire to leave Middle-earth, nor to be merged with the other Sindar of Beleriand, dominated by the Noldorin Exiles for whom the folk of Doriath had no great love. They wished indeed to become Silvan folk and to return, as they said, to the simple life natural to the Elves before the invitation of the Valar had disturbed it.

Long before the War of the Alliance, Oropher, King of the Silvan Elves east of Anduin, being disturbed by rumours of the rising power of Sauron, had left their ancient dwellings about Amon Lanc, across the river from their kin in Lórien. Three times he had moved northwards, and at the end of the Second Age he dwelt in the western glens of the Emyn Duir (Mountains of Mirkwood), and his numerous people lived and roamed in the woods and vales westward as far as Anduin, north of the ancient Dwarf-Road (Men-i-Naugrim).

In one of the passages in "The History of Galadriel and Celeborn" Oropher's retreat northwards within the Greenwood is ascribed [also] to his desire to move out of range of the Dwarves of Khazad-dûm and of Celeborn and Galadriel in Lórien:

In the early Second Age, the power of Galadriel and Celeborn had grown, and Galadriel, assisted in this by her friendship with the Dwarves of Moria, had come into contact with the Nandorin realm of Lórinand on the other side of the Misty Mountains. This was peopled by those Elves who forsook the Great Journey of the Eldar from Cuiviénen and settled in the woods of the Vale of Anduin; it extended into the forests on both sides of the Great River including the region where afterwards was Dol Guldur. These Elves had [in the elder days] no princes or rulers, and led their lives free of care, "but Sindar and Noldor came to dwell among them, and their 'Sindarizing' under the impact of Beleriandic culture began."

To Lórien Celeborn and Galadriel returned twice before the Last Alliance and the end of the Second Age, and it is said that Galadriel once was dwelling under the trees of Greenwood the Great. In the headnote to the Tale of Years of the Second Age it is said, that "many of the Sindar passed eastward and established realms in the forests far away. The chief of these were Thranduil in the north of Greenwood the Great, and Celeborn in the south of the forest." The settlement of Galadriel and Celeborn at Amon Lanc was only temporary, and the time of their dwelling there is nowhere recorded, but it must have been late Second Age or early Third Age.


The Silvan Elves and the War of the Last Alliance

Despite the desire of the Silvan Elves to meddle as little as might be in the affairs of the Noldor and Sindar, or of any other peoples, Dwarves, Men, or Orcs, Oropher had the wisdom to foresee that peace would not return unless Sauron was overcome. He therefore assembled a great army of his now numerous people, and joining with the lesser army of Malgalad of Lórien he led the host of the Silvan Elves to battle.

The Silvan Elves were hardy and valiant, but ill-equipped with armour or weapons in comparison with the Eldar of the West; also they were independent, and not disposed to place themselves under the supreme command of Gil-galad. Their losses were thus more grievous than they need have been, even in that terrible war. Malgalad and more than half his following perished in the great battle of the Dagorlad, being cut off from the main host and driven into the Dead Marshes. Oropher was slain in the first assault upon Mordor, rushing forward at the head of his most doughty warriors before Gil-galad had given the signal for the advance. Thranduil his son survived, but when the war ended and Sauron was slain (as it seemed) he led back home barely a third of the army that had marched to war.


The ancient Elven Path near the western eaves of Greenwood the Great

In "The Disaster of the Gladden Fields" it is told, that Isildur on his return to Arnor from the War of the Last Alliance did follow an ancient path running along the eaves of western Greenwood. Of their journey nothing is told until they had passed over the Dagorlad, and on northward into the wide and empty lands south of Greenwood the Great.

"... As they came within far sight of the forest crowning the highlands before them ... the sky became overcast and a dark wind came up from the Sea of Rhûn laden with rain. The rain lasted for four days; so when they came to the entrance to the Vales, between Lórien and Amon Lanc, Isildur turned away from the Anduin, swollen with swift water, and went up the steep slopes on its eastern side to gain the ancient paths of the Silvan Elves that ran near the eaves of the Forest.

So it came to pass that late in the afternoon of the thirtieth day of their journey they were passing the north borders of the Gladden Fields, marching along a path that led to Thranduil’s realm, as it then was. ... To their right the Forest loomed above them at the top of steep slopes running down to their path, below which the descent into the valley-bottom was gentler. Suddenly ... they heard the hideous cries of Orcs, and saw them issuing from the Forest and moving down the slopes ..."

In a note to this text it is said, that when "they had passed the deep depression of the Gladden Fields, beyond which the ground on the east side of Anduin (which flowed in a deep channel) was firmer and drier for the lie of the land changed. It began to climb northwards until as it neared the Forest Road and Thranduil's country it was almost level with the eaves of the Greenwood [At that time the people of Thranduil, the Silvan Elves of Greenwood, had migrated from the south. In the Second Age their king, Oropher (the father of Thranduil), had withdraw northward beyond the Gladden Fields, to the Mountains of Mirkwood].


Thranduil's Realm in Northern Mirkwood

After the war a long peace followed in which the numbers of the Silvan Elves grew again; but they were unquiet and anxious, feeling the change of the world that the Third Age would bring. Men also were increasing in numbers and in power. The dominion of the Númenórean kings of Gondor was reaching out northwards towards the borders of Lórien and the Greenwood. The Free Men of the North (so called by the Elves because they were not under the rule of Dúnedain, and had not for the most part been subjected by Sauron or his servants) were spreading southwards: mostly east of the Greenwood, though some were establishing themselves in the eaves of the forest and the grasslands of the Vales of Anduin.

More ominous were rumours from the further East: the Wild Men were restless. Former servants and worshippers of Sauron, they were released now from his tyranny, but not from the evil and darkness that he had set in their hearts. Cruel wars raged among them, from which some were withdrawing westward, with minds filled with hatred, regarding all that dwelt in the West as enemies to be slain and plundered. But there was in Thranduil's heart a still deeper shadow. He had seen the horror of Mordor and could not forget it. If ever he looked south its memory dimmed the light of the Sun, and though he knew that it was now broken and deserted and under the vigilance of the Kings of Men, fear spoke in his heart that it was not conquered for ever: it would arise again.

When a thousand years of the Third Age had passed a shadow fell upon Greenwood the Great, and a darkness crept slowly through the wood from the southward, and fear walked there in shadowy glades; fell beasts came hunting, and cruel and evil creatures laid there their snares. Then the name of the forest was changed, and Mirkwood it was called, for the nightshade lay deep there, and few dared to pass through, save only in the north where Thranduil’s people still held the evil at bay.

An evil presence took over Amon Lanc, and whence it came few could tell, and it was long ere even the Wise could discover it. It was the Shadow of Sauron and the sign of his return. For coming out of the wastes of the East he took up his abode in the south of the forest, and slowly he grew and took shape there again; in the hill of Amon Lanc he made his dwelling and wrought there his sorcery, and the hill was renamed Dol Guldur ("Hill of Sorcery" in Sindarin), and was also called "the dungeons of the Necromancer." All folk feared the Sorcerer of Dol Guldur, known as "the Necromancer" by the peoples, and yet they knew not at first how great was their peril.

The Silvan Elves ruled by Thranduil retreated before the Shadow as it spread ever northward, until at last Thranduil established his realm in the north-east of the forest and delved there a fortress and great halls underground. Oropher was of Sindarin origin, and no doubt Thranduil his son was following the example of King Thingol long before, in Doriath; though his halls were not to be compared with Menegroth. He had not the arts nor wealth nor the aid of the Dwarves; and compared with the Elves of Doriath his Silvan folk were rude and rustic. Thranduil's realm is said to have extended into the woods surrounding the Lonely Mountain and growing along the west shores of the Long Lake, before the coming of the Dwarves exiled from Moria and the invasion of the Dragon.


Thranduils Caverns

In "The Atlas of Tolkien's Middle-earth" it is said, that "Thranduil once had lived with Thingol and Melian, so his dwellings were understandably reminiscent of both Menegroth and Nargothrond: All lay under a wooded hill beside a river, with a stone bridge leading to the great gates; all had a great pillared hall used as a throneroom, and many twisting passages leading to other rooms of varying sizes at different levels; all had been enhanced by the mining efforts of Dwarves." Thranduil's dwelling was different in only two ways: Although extensive, it seems to have been somewhat smaller than the great ancient underground kingdoms; and it had an underground stream.

The Forest River apparently dropped rather steeply between the gate and the stream, for the main passage led to the upper galleries, while the stream originated in the heart of the hill and "flowed under part of the lowest regions of the palace, and joined the Forest River some way further to the east, beyond the steep slope out of which the main mouth opened."

When the Wood-elves captured them, the Dwarves were led over the bridge, up a stair cutting through the steep bank, across a grassy terrace, through the great gates that "closed by magic," and down twisting passages to Thranduil's great hall. As they refused to tell the Elvenking their purpose, they were imprisoned in "twelve cells in different parts of the palace." Thorin's was in "one of the inmost caves with strong wooden doors." One of these same dungeons may have been used years later to imprison Gollum.

Little was told of the remainder of the rooms except that there were upper halls large enough to allow feasting, and that "the lowest cellars" overlay the tunnel of the underground stream. It was to those cellars Bilbo led the Dwarves to escape: first Balin and last Thorin, whose cell was "fortunately not far from the cellars." The guard and butler were in the small room adjacent to the one with the trap-door, and Balin watched them while Bilbo packed the Dwarves in barrels. Once the Elves had cast the barrels into the stream, the distance seemed fairly short to where they floated under the arched portcullis into the main river.

Only a lesser part of the Elves of Mirkwood did live in Thranduil's Caverns. In "The Hobbit" it is said, that "the subjects of the king mostly lived and hunted in the open woods, and had houses or huts on the ground and in the branches [of the trees]. The beeches were their favorite trees. The king's cave was his palace, and the fortress of his people against their enemies." This probably was the inspiration for the "Talan" used in Lórien.


Northern Mirkwood

The path across Mirkwood taken by Thorin and Company was apparently fairly level but had just enough ups and downs to prevent Bilbo from even noticing that he was at the bottom of a wide valley when he climbed the great oak. This bowl-like valley might have been a hollow — that is, a valley in which the water seeps into the limestone and flows out in underground rivers. It was close enough to King Thranduil's to be in a soluble limestone bedrock. Thranduil's underground palace, complete with columns of "living stone" and "underground river, were probably limestone solution caverns, reportedly enhanced with the assistance of Dwarves.

The extensive bogs and marshes at the end of both forest roads, the Long Marshes along the Forest River, the "tumbled land" between Lonely Mountain and its nearest neighbors to the northeast, and most especially the description of Long Lake, all point toward effects of continental glaciation. The "shingles" piled at the feet of the promontory near Lake-town could easily have resulted from glacial till — a conglomeration of rocks ranging from gravels to boulders, which the glacier had captured and carried along. Most importantly, Long Lake "filled what must once have been a great deep rocky valley." South of Long Lake the ruggedness was absent, for, between the eaves of Mirkwood and the River Running, Rhovanion had occupied "wide plains."


The Mountains of Mirkwood

The Emyn Duir (Dark Mountains) were a group of high hills in the north-east of the Forest, so called because dense fir-woods grew upon their slopes; but they were not yet of evil name. In later days when the shadow of Sauron spread through Greenwood the Great, and its name changed from Eryn Galen to Taur-nu-Fuin (translated Mirkwood), the Emyn Duir became a haunt of many of his most evil creatures, and were called Emyn-nu-Fuin ("Mountains under nighrshade"), the Mountains of Mirkwood.

In Appendix F(II) to The Lord of the Rings the Elvish name of Mirkwood is Taur-en-Daedelos "forest of the great fear." The name given here, Taur-nu-Fuin "forest under night" was the later name of Dorthonion, the forested highland on the northern borders of Beleriand in the Elder Days. The application of the same name, Taur-nu-Fuin, to both Mirkwood and Dorthonion is notable, in the light of the close relation of Tolkien's pictures of them.

Apart from the many similarities between Mirkwood (in generel) and Dorthonion in late First Age, the most stricking fact is the almost exact mirroring of Finrod Felagund's stronghold Nargothrond unto Thranduil's Caverns: The bridge across the river, the terrace in front of the Great Gate, the great hall with columns of "living stone" and a secret gate leading to a smaller river joining the main river; The only difference being the small (underground) river in Thranduil's Caverns passing out through the lower gate.

No elvish name is given for Thranduil's Realm, but as he did know Nargothrond well, and duplicated it in his caverns, he most probably also reused some name from that renowned kingdom of old. The forest surrounding Nargothrond was known as Taur-en-Faroth ("Forest of the Hunters"), and Thranduil's people, being in origin woodelves, was living primarily as a people of hunters, or in Sindarin: Farothrim ("People of Hunters"); Thranduil would most likely choose the name of Taur-en-Faroth for his realm, even in preference to a direct translation of Mirkwood, i.e. "Eryn Vorn" (Dark Forest), which anyway also was the name of the old forest, on the peninsula south of the river Baranduin, in western Minhiriath.


Various parts of Mirkwood

The different names for Mirkwood, in Common Speech and Sindarin, reflects the forest or parts of it in various ways. The name in Common Speech, Mirkwood, denotes the former Greenwood the Great in its entity; as such, the name does not have evil connotations: an evil power had put a shadow on the forest, but the forest itself was not evil. This description fits well with the northwestern part of the forest, around the western part of the Forest Path, that Bilbo and the Dwarves followed through the forest.

After passing the Enchanted Stream [that is halfway through the forest] "if they had known more about it and considered the meaning of the hunt and the white deer that had appeared upon their path, they would have known that they were at last drawing towards ... thinner trees and places where the sunlight came again." After four days from the Enchanted Stream they came to a part where most of the trees were beeches, and there was no undergrowth and the shadow was not so deep. This was the "Forest of the Hunters" - Taur-en-Faroth - the Realm of Thranduil's Wood-elves.

[missing: Tolkiens Map of Wilderland - Woodmen west and east - the East Bigh, dividing the two evil parts of the forest]

In Taur-en-Daedelos, the "forest of the dreadful fear" in the south of Mirkwood, ever a dark shadow and cloud flowed from Dol Guldur. Gandalf did warn Thorin's company, before leaving at the entrance to Mirkwood, that "in the South, you would get into the land of the Necromancer; and even you, Bilbo, won't need me to tell you tales of that black sorcerer. I don't advice you to get anywhere near the places overlooked by his black tower!" This was the most evil part of the forest, and the stronghold of Sauron for two thousand years of the Third Age.

[missing: Taur-nu-Fuin "forest under night" - Emyn-nu-Fuin as a stronghold, from where the Old Forest Road could be controlled?]

 

 

The Old Forest Road or the Great Dwarf Road: Men-i-Naugrim

The Dwarf Road is the Old Forest Road described in The Hobbit. In "The Disaster of the Gladden Fields" there is a note referring to "the ancient Forest Road that led down from the Pass of Imladris and crossed Anduin by a bridge (that had been enlarged and strengthened for the passage of the armies of the Alliance), and so over the eastern valley into the Greenwood. The Anduin could not be bridged at any lower point; for a few miles below the Forest Road the land fell steeply and the river became very swift, until it reached the great basin of the Gladden Fields. Beyond the Fields it quickened again, and was then a great flood fed by many streams, of which the names are forgotten save those of the larger: the Gladden (Sîr Ninglor), Silverlode (Celebrant), and Limlight (Limlaith)." In The Hobbit the Forest Road traversed the great river by the Old Ford and there is no mention of there having once been a bridge at the crossing.

In "Of Dwarves and Men" it is said, that "... the Great Dwarf Road that cut through the Forest (the Old Forest Road was its ruinous remains in the Third Age) and then went North-east to the Iron Hills." In "The Hobbit" Beorn said that "the forest-road itself, he had heard, was overgrown and disused at its eastern end and led to impassable marshes where the paths had been long lost" - this forest-road was the Old Forest Road originally made by the Dwarves.

[missing: The Dwarf road build in First Age - the Great East-West road west of the Misty Mountains was part of it - before the Wood-elves had Silvan rulers?]
 

 

The Silvan Elves and the Battle of Five Armies

In "The Hobbit" it is said, of the company a]pproaching the Gate of Erebor, that "elven bowmen were among them." In the battle "the elves were the first to charge. Their hatred for the goblins is cold and bitter. Their spears and swords shone in the gloom with a gleam of chill flame, so deadly was the wrath of the hands that held them. As soon as the host of their enemies was dense in the valley, they send against it a shower of arrows, and each flickered as it fled as if with stinging fire. Behind the arrows a thousand of their spearmen lept down and charged."

Of the free peoples fighting in the Battle of Five Armies, Dáin had brought "five hundred grim dwarves" and while Bard's forces were uncertain, they may have been as few as two hundred, judging from the size of the town. It can then be safely assumed, that of the free peoples the Elves were by far the largest army; the "thousand of their spearmen" in the first charge probably were only the vanguard of Thranduil's forces.


[missing: Capture of Gollum, released by Orcs of Dol Guldur]

[missing: War of the North, "Battle under the Trees"]


Primary sources:

Tolkien: "The Hobbit"
Tolkien: The Lord of the Rings III, Appendix B, "The Third Age"
Tolkien, (ed. Christopher Tolkien): The Silmarillion, "Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age"
Tolkien, (ed. Christopher Tolkien): Unfinished Tales, "The History of Galadriel and Celeborn"
Tolkien, (ed. Christopher Tolkien): Unfinished Tales, "The Sindarin Princes of the Silvan Elves"
Tolkien, (ed. Christopher Tolkien): Unfinished Tales, "The Disaster of the Gladden Fields"
Tolkien, (ed. Christopher Tolkien): History of Middle-earth XII, "Of Dwarves and Men"
Karen Wynn Fonstad: "The Atlas of Tolkien's Middle-warth" /Wilderland /Thranduils Caverns
David Day: "A Tolkien Bestiary" /Nandor /Silvan /Sindar


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Edited by Námo, 12 August 2015 - 12:50 PM.

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Posted 11 August 2015 - 07:41 PM

Damn good notes there, I'll be referring to these!


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Posted 11 August 2015 - 08:54 PM

This was a fantastic read. If you ever find the will to continue, I'd love to read the entry on the Battle under the Trees. My mod (Shadow and Flame) is planning to have this feature prominently in its campaign.


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Posted 12 August 2015 - 09:13 AM

As far as I remember, there is not much info in the lore on the Battle under the Trees, except what you allready know from the Return of the King.

 

Apart from the battle itself, the most intriguing questions are:

 

1) Where did the battle take place: near Thranduil's Caverns or in the northwestern part of Mirkwood? - and connected to this question:

2) Which route did the forces of Dol Guldur take to reach Thranduil's Realm? Remember that orcs from Dol Guldur rescued Gollum from his captivity in Thranduil's Realm.

 

I do have some additional notes, but tose are mostly concerning the geography of the western part of the Vale of Anduin, from about the Gladden Fields down to the Entwash. Not that much, but still some.

 

Just before I stopped writing lore here, I found some very interesting info on Mount Gundabad, giving a whole new perspective on that part of Middle-earth. It was supposed to be written in relation to the post on "playing cards with dead men walking and calling them old wraiths names" but I have no written notes on that particular subject.

 

Is Mount Gundabad of importance to your mod, Mathijs?


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Posted 12 August 2015 - 09:19 AM

I think Shadow and Flame could use some more Information on Gundabad, as it's one of their new factions.


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Posted 12 August 2015 - 09:43 AM

The info that i found is not so much on Mount Gundabad itself, but on that "Tunneled Mountain" (the meaning of "Gundabad") as an easily passable transit route, from the Realm of Angmar of old to the uppermost parts of the Vale of Anduin. That gives a whole new perspective on that region; for example is it said (by the gondorian historians), that the Evil Men of Angmar were extinguished west of the Misty Mountains, still other sources imply that the suvivors of that people fled to the region east of the mountains. That Gundabad was passable, even for an army, might be important also in other ways.


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Posted 12 August 2015 - 11:20 AM

Some small notes, probably only of interest for mappers:

 

 

 

Cirith Forn en Andrath, the high-climbing pass of the North

In "The Disaster of the Gladden Fields" it is said, that "when he [Isildur, the son and heir of Elendil] at last felt free to return to his own realm he was in haste, and he wished to go first to Imladris; for he had left his wife and youngest son there, and he had moreover an urgent need for the counsel of Elrond. He therefore determined to make his way north from Osgiliath up the Vales of Anduin to Cirith Forn en Andrath, the high-climbing pass of the North, that led down to Imladris. He knew the land well, for he had journeyed there often before the War of the Alliance, and had marched that way to the war with men of eastern Arnor in the company of Elrond."

 

Note: Cirith Forn is the sindarin name for "The High-climbing Pass of the North," also known as "The High Pass" and "The Pass of Imladris" - Andrath is the sindarin name for the stairs leading up to the pass. The name is also sometimes used for the steep climb south of Bree in Eriador.


The Gladden Fields: Loeg Ningloron

In the Elder Days, when the Silvan Elves first settled there, they were a lake formed in a deep depression into which the Anduin poured from the North down the swiftest part of its course, a long descent of some seventy miles, and there mingled with the torrent of the Gladden River (Sîr Ninglor) hastening from the Mountains. The lake had been wider west of Anduin, for the eastern side of the valley was steeper; but on the east it probably reached as far as the feet of the long slopes down from the Forest (then still wooded), its reedy borders being marked by the gentler slope, just below the path that Isildur was following. The lake had become a great marsh, through which the river wandered in a wilderness of islets, and wide beds of reed and rush, and armies of yellow iris that grew taller than a man and gave their name to all the region and to the river from the Mountains about whose lower course they grew most thickly. But the marsh had receded to the east, and from the foot of the lower slopes there were now wide flats, grown with grass and small rushes on which men would walk.


The Gondorian forts on Anduin, north of Sarn Gebir

In later days Gondor built a bridge over the upper Limlight, and often occupied the narrow land between the lower Limlight and Anduin as part of its
eastern fences, since the great loops of the Anduin (where it came down swiftly past Lórien and entered low flat lands before its descent again into the chasm of the Emyn Muil) had many shallows and wide shoals over which a determined and well-equipped enemy could force a crossing by rafts or pontoons, especially in the two westward bends, known as the North and South Undeeps. It was to this land that the name Parth Celebrant was applied in Gondor; hence its use in defining the ancient northern boundary.

The wide lands south of Mirkwood, from the Brown Lands to the Sea of Rhûn, which offered no obstacle to invaders from the East until they came to Anduin, were a chief source of concern and unease to the rulers of Gondor. At the end of the second millennium the forts upon the line of the Anduin north of Sarn Gebir that had been built by Narmacil I were still in repair, and manned by sufficient soldiers from Calenardhon to prevent any attempt of an enemy to cross the river at the Undeeps.

But during the Watchful Peace the forts along the Anduin, especially on the west shore of the Undeeps, had been unmanned and neglected. After that time Gondor had neither men nor opportunity for manning the line of Anduin north of the Emyn Muil. When Cirion became Steward of Gondor in the year 2489, and Gondor was threatened by the Balchoths, he was only able to put a few men into the old forts to keep watch on the Undeeps, and to send out scouts and spies into the lands between Mirkwood and Dagorlad.

 

Note: Although the fords were ruins at the end og the Third Age, they might still be of interest for mappers. There might also be some ruins in the eastern part of Mirkwood, where the remnants of The Old Dwarf Road (in days of old probably leading right to The Iron Mountains) did cross Celduin.

 

Something that has always bothered me is who those mysterious Men were who traded with Laketown in The Hobbit. They lived south of the Long Lake and were apparently Northmen, but where did they live? If there were men still living along Celduin (the Running River, which arose in Erebor), why didn't they settle at the point where the Old Forest Road met the river? Or perhaps they had at one time lived there but had been driven off?
 


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Posted 12 August 2015 - 12:20 PM

Very nice read, specially the War of Five Armies.



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Posted 12 August 2015 - 12:48 PM

Oh Sorry, that of course should be "The Battle of Five Armies" ... corrected :whatoa:


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Posted 12 August 2015 - 04:57 PM

Some small notes, probably only of interest for mappers:

These are great!


There is one thing I've never been certain about, and perhaps you know this Námo.
Which part of the Blue Mountains did Thrain and Thorin go to? I know in Lord of the Rings Online they place it in Northern Ered Luin, but in other LOTR works, they place it in the range south of the Grey Havens. Which is the correct one?


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Posted 12 August 2015 - 05:35 PM

Thrain and Thorin had their halls in the northern part of the Blue Mountains. You should know that, I did write a few posts on the subject some years ago:

 

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 06:42 PM

On the Realm of Lórien, its history and names:

 

 

LOTHLÓRIEN

During the Third Age Galadriel became filled with foreboding, and with Celeborn she journeyed to Lórien and stayed there long with Amroth, being especially concerned to learn all news and rumours of the growing shadow in Mirkwood and the dark stronghold in Dol Guldur. But his people were content with Amroth; he was valiant and wise, and his little kingdom was yet prosperous and beautiful. Therefore after long journeys of enquiry in Rhovanion, from Gondor and the borders of Mordor to Thranduil in the north, Celeborn and Galadriel passed over the mountains to Imladris, and there dwelt for many years; for Elrond was their kinsman, since he had early in the Third Age [in the year 109, according to the Tale of Years] wedded their daughter Celebrían.

In her wisdom Galadriel saw that Lórien would be a stronghold and point of power to prevent the Shadow from crossing the Anduin in the war that must inevitably come before it was again defeated (if that were possible); but that it needed a rule of greater strength and wisdom than the Silvan folk possessed. Nevertheless, it was not until the disaster in Moria [in the year 1980] - when Sauron's power actually crossed the Anduin and Lórien was in great peril, its king lost (for Amroth was drowned in the sea in the Bay of Belfalas and left no heir), its people fleeing, likely to leave it deserted, and likely to be occupied by Orcs - that Galadriel and Celeborn returned to Lórien.

Galadriel and Celeborn took up their permanent abode in Lórien, and its government, and were welcomed by the people. There they dwelt while the Third Age lasted, but they took no title of King or Queen; for they said that they were only guardians of this small but fair realm, the last eastward outpost of the Elves.

The abode of Celeborn in Caras Galadhon, its highest flet which the Fellowship of the Ring did not see, was the highest point in the land. Earlier the flet of Amroth at the top of the great mound or hill of Cerin Amroth, piled by the labour of many hands, had been the highest, and was principally designed to watch Dol Guldur across the Anduin. The conversion of these telain into permanent dwellings was a later development, and only in Caras Galadhon were such dwellings numerous. But Caras Galadhon was itself a fortress, and only a small part of the Galadhrim dwelt within its walls.


Cerin Amroth and Caras Galadon

Most of the land of Lórien lay east of the Silverlode in the area known as the Naith or Gore (a triangle of land). Deep in the woods there was a great mound, crowned with a double ring of trees: The outer were white; the inner gold. In the center stood a towering mallorn, in which was built a flet, once the site of the house of Amroth, the beloved of Nimrodel. The mound was Cerin Amroth, and it was "the heart of the ancient realm as it was long ago." There Arwen and Aragorn had plighted their troth, and after his death it was there she died and was buried.

Egladil, at the heart of Lórien, was the site of Caras Galadon ("the city of trees") the only city of that realm: a protected city unique to the Galadhrim ("Tree-people"). The city was on a hill, surrounded by a wall, but the wall was green, so it may have been earthen rather than built of stone. Outside the wall was a fosse, a ditch or moat, which apparently did not contain water, for it was "lost in soft shadow." A stone path ran in a semicircle from the northern path to a bridge on the south; and where the Great Gates stood, the walls overlapped forming a "deep lane" within.

The most unusual feature of the city was, of course, that there were no buildings and towers; but instead the Elves lived on flets (or talans) and houses built within the majestic mallorn trees that covered the hill. On the top of the hill was the largest of all the mallorn trees, which held the house of Celeborn and Galadriel. The dwelling was "so large that almost it could have served for a hall of Men upon the earth." The trees were immense, "Their height could not be guessed, but they stood up in the twilight like living towers." Up the wide trunk was a ladder, which passed by flets "some on one side, some on another, and some set about the bole of the tree," until it came at last to the house that held the oval chamber of Celeborn.

Below the great mallorn was a green lawn on which the Elves set a pavilion for the travellers. Nearby stood a shimmering fountain that fell into a basin, then hurried down the hill. Far down the south slope the stream flowed through a treeless hollow: Galadriel's garden. One could cross through a hedge and descend a long flight of stairs to the lowest point of the dell, where the water ran near another basin and thus provided water for the Mirror of Galadriel.

A path was going southeast from the gate of Caras Galadon to the confluence of the Anduin and the Silverlode. The path passed through a wall to a grassy lawn, and slightly upstream was a hythe (a small harbor) where the boats of the Galadhrim were moored.


[missing: The Galadhrim - the people of Lórien (and their sourtward migration)]


The names of Lórien

In a note to the text of "The History of Galadriel and Celeborn" it is explained that Lórinand was the Nandorin name of this region (afterwards called Lórien and Lothlórien), and contained the Elvish word meaning "golden light": "valley of gold." The Quenya form would be Laurenandë, the Sindarin Glornan or Nan Laur. Both here and elsewhere the meaning of the name is explained by reference to the golden mallorn-trees of Lothlórien; but they were brought there by Galadriel, and in another, later, discussion the name Lórinand is said to have been itself a transformation, after the introduction of the mallorns, of a yet older name Lindórinand, "Vale of the Land of the Singers." Since the Elves of this land were in origin Teleri, there is here no doubt present the name by which the Teleri called themselves: Lindar, "the Singers."

From many other discussions of the names of Lothlórien, to some extent at variance among themselves, it emerges that all the later names were probably due to Galadriel herself, combining different elements: laurë "gold," nan(d) "valley," ndor "land," tin- "sing"; and in Laurelindórinan "Valley of Singing Gold" (which Treebeard told the Hobbits was the earlier name) deliberately echoing the name of the Golden Tree that grew in Valinor, "for which, as is plain, Galadriel's longing increased year by year to, at last, an overwhelming regret."

Lórien itself was originally the Quenya name of a region in Valinor, often used as the name of the Vala Irmo (younger brother of Námo), to whom it belonged; "a place of rest and shadowy trees and fountains, a retreat from cares and griefs." The further change from Lórinand "Valley of Gold" to Lórien "may well be due to Galadriel herself," for "the resemblance cannot be accidental. She had endeavoured to make Lórien a refuge and an island of peace and beauty, a memorial of ancient days, but was now filled with regret and misgiving, knowing that the golden dream was hastening to a grey awakening. It may be noted that Treebeard interpreted Lothlórien as 'Dreamflower.'"


The Boundaries of Lórien

Of old the Galadhrim had claimed to govern the woods as far as the falls in the Silverlode; southward it had extended far beyond the Silverlode into more open woodland of smaller trees that merged into Fangorn Forest, though the heart of the realm had always been in the angle between Silverlode and Anduin where Caras Galadhon stood. There were no visible borders between Lórien and Fangorn, but neither the Ents nor the Galadhrim ever passed them. For legend reported that Fangorn himself had met the King of the Galadhrim in ancient days, and Fangorn had said: ."I know mine, and you know yours; let neither side molest what is the other's. But if an Elf should wish to walk in my land for his pleasure he will be welcome; and if an Ent should be seen in your and fear no evil." Long years had passed, however, since Ent or Elf had set foot in the other land.

The river Celebrant (Silverlode) was thus within the borders of the realm of Lórien, and the effective bounds of the kingdom of Gondor in the north (west of Anduin) was the river Limlight. The whole of the grasslands between Silverlode and Limlight, into which the woods of Lórien formerly extended further south, were known in Lórien as Parth Celebrant (i.e. the field, or enclosed grassland, of Silverlode) and regarded as part of its realm, though not inhabited by its Elvish folk beyond the eaves of the woods.


[missing: Lórien in the War of the Ring]


Primary sources:

Tolkien, (ed. Christopher Tolkien): Unfinished Tales, "The History of Galadriel and Celeborn"
Tolkien, (ed. Christopher Tolkien): Unfinished Tales, "The Sindarin Princes of the Silvan Elves"
Tolkien, (ed. Christopher Tolkien): Unfinished Tales, "The Boundaries of Lórien"
Karen Wynn Fonstad: "The Atlas of Tolkien's Middle-warth" /Lothlórien
 


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Posted 14 August 2015 - 06:08 AM

Ahh yes, I'm very excited as the LOTRO's Lothlorien fits exactly the description above, so they did a very good job.

 

[missing: Lórien in the War of the Ring]

 

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Posted 14 August 2015 - 08:51 AM

:(

 

Well, they played their part of that War, both in the South and the North. Not so much much by brute force, but in many subtle ways during the greater part of the Third Age. They were feared by Sauron, and rightly so. They were never conquered by the Darkness.

 

Galadriel made Lórien a beacon of light and beauty, but for herself also of joy mingled with sadness:

 

 

Poem by J.R.R. Tolkien (the longest in Quenya in LotR), music by the danish Tolkien Ensemble, vocal by Signe Asmussen.

 

Translation here: http://folk.uib.no/hnohf/namarie.htm


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Posted 14 August 2015 - 10:10 AM

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Posted 14 August 2015 - 11:32 AM

The following text is just an extract from "Cirion and Eorl and the Friendship of Gondor and Rohan" in Unfinished Tales. It gives a glimpse of the power of Lothlórien, but are mainly an account of the migrations of the Éothéod, later known by the name of Rohirrim.

 

It also contains valuable geographical information, some of which eventually might be relevant in relation to the "Battle under the Trees."

 

 

 

 

THE MIGRATIONS OF THE ÉOTHÉOD


The first migration of the Éothéod

While the Éothéod still dwelt in their former home [in the Vales of Anduin between the Carrock and the Gladden Fields] they were well-known to Gondor as a people of good trust, from whom they received news of all that passed in that region. They were a remnant of the Northmen, who were held to be akin in ages past to the Dúnedain, and in the days of the great Kings had been their allies and contributed much of their blood to the people of Gondor.

It was thus of great concern to Gondor when the Éothéod removed into the far North, in the days of Eärnil II, last but the of the Kings of the southern realm. The cause of the northward migration of the Éothéod: "[The forefathers of Eorl] loved best the plains, and delighted in horses and all feats of horsemanship, but there were many men in the middle vales of Anduin in those days, and moreover the shadow of Dol Guldur was lengthening; when therefore they heard of the overthrow of the Witch-king [in the year 1975], they sought more room in the North, and drove away the remnants of the people of Angmar on the east side of the Mountains. But in the days of Léod, father of Eorl, they had grown to be a numerous people and were again somewhat straitened in the land of their home." The leader of the migration of the Éothéod was named Frumgar; and in the Tale of Years its date is given as 1977.

The new land of the Éothéod lay north of Mirkwood, between the Misty Mountains westward and the Forest River eastward. Southward it extended to the confluence of the two short rivers that they named Greylin and Langwell. Greylin flowed down from Ered Mithrin, the Grey Mountains, but Langwell came from the Misty Mountains, and this name it bore because it was the source of Anduin, which from its junction with Greylin they called Langflood. These rivers, unnamed, are marked on the map to The Lord of the Rings. The Greylin is there shown as having two tributary brandies.

Messengers still passed between Gondor and the Éothéod after their departure; but it was some four hundred and fifty of our miles between the confluence of Greylin and Langwell (where was their only fortified burg) and the inflow of Limlight into Anduin, in a direct line as a bird might fly, and much more for those who journeyed on earth; and in like manner some eight hundred miles to Minas Tirith. The forts upon the line of the Anduin north of Sarn Gebir that had been built by Narmacil I were still in repair and manned by soldiers from Calenardhon to prevent an attempt of an enemy to cross the river at the Undeeps.

 

 

Gondor in peril requesting help from the Éothéod

Cirion became Steward of Gondor in the year 2489. The menace from the North was ever in his mind, and he gave much thought to ways that might be devised against the threat of invasion from that quarter, as the strength of Gondor diminished. He put men into the old forts to keep watch on the Undeeps, and sent scouts and spies into the lands between Mirkwood and Dagorlad. He was thus soon aware that new and dangerous enemies coming out of the east were steadily drifting in from beyond the Sea of Rhûn.

In the winter of the year 2509 Cirion became aware that a great movement against Gondor was being prepared: hosts of men were mustering all along the southern eaves of Mirkwood. They were only rudely armed, and had no great number of horses for riding, using horses mainly for draught, since they had many large wains. But what they lacked in gear of war they made up in numbers.

In this peril Cirion's thought turned at last in desperation to the Éothéod, and he determined to send messengers to them. But they would have to go through Calenardhon and over the Undeeps, and then through lands already watched and patrolled by the Balchoth before they could reach the Vales of Anduin. This would mean a ride of some four hundred and fifty miles to the Undeeps, and more than five hundred thence to the Éothéod, and from the Undeeps they would be forced to go warily and mostly by night until they had passed the shadow of Day Guldur.

Cirion had little hope that any of them would get through. He called for volunteers, and choosing six riders of great courage and endurance be sent them out in pairs with a day's interval between them. The first pair of messengers, alone of all the six, got through to the Éothéod.

He was Borondir, a great rider of a family that claimed descent from a captain of the Northmen in the service of the Kings of old. Of the others no tidings were ever heard, save of Borondir's companion. He was slain by arrows in ambush as they passed near Dol Guldur, from which Borondir escaped by fortune and the speed of his horse. He was pursued as far north as the Gladden Fields, and often waylaid by men that came out of the Forest and forced him to ride far out of the direct way. He came at last to the Éothéod after fifteen days, for the last two without food; and he was so spent that he could scarce speak his message to Eorl.

His name was long remembered in the song of Rochon Methestel (Rider of the Last Hope) as Borondir Udalraph (Borondir the Stirrupless), for He rode back with the éoherë at the right hand of Eorl, and was the first to cross the Limlight and cleave a path to the aid of Cirion. He fell at last on the Field of Celebrant defending his lord, to the great grief of Condor and the Éothéod, and was afterwards laid in tomb in the Hallows of Minas Tirith.

 

 

The ride of Eorl

Eorl at once summoned his council of Elders, and began to prepare for the great riding. But this took many days, for the lost had to be gathered and mustered, and thought taken for the ordering of the people and the defence of the land. At last the whole host was assembled; and only a few hundreds were left behind to support the men unfitted for such desperate venture by youth or age. In silence the great éohere set out, leaving fear behind, and taking with them small hope; for they knew not what lay before them, either on the road or at its end.

It is said that Eorl led forth some seven thousand fully-armed riders and some hundreds of horsed archers. At his right hand rode Borondir, to serve as guide so far as he might, since he had lately passed through the lands. But this great host was not threatened or assailed during its long journey down the Vales of Anduin. Such folk of good or evil kind as saw it approach fled out of its path for fear of its might and splendour.

In nine days they had covered more than five hundred miles in a direct line, probably more than six hundred as they rode. Though there were no great natural obstacles on the east side of Anduin, much of the land was now desolate, and roads or horse-paths running southward were lost or little used; only for short periods were they able to ride at speed, and they needed also to husband their own strength and their horses," since they expected battle as soon as they reached the Undeeps.

They rode southward and passed by southern Mirkwood (below the great East Bight), which was now infested by the Balchoth, but still there was no sign of men, in force or in scouting parties, to bar their road or to spy upon their coming. In part this was due to events unknown to them, which had come to pass since Borondir set out; but other powers also were at work. For when at last the host drew near to Dol Guldur, Eorl turned away westward for fear of the dark shadow and cloud that flowed out from it, and then he rode on within sight of Anduin. Many of the riders turned their eyes thither, half in fear and half in hope to glimpse from afar the shimmer of the Dwimordene, the perilous land that in legends of their people was said to shine like gold in the springtime. But now it seemed shrouded in a gleaming mist and to their dismay the mist passed over the river and flowed over the land before them.

As they drew nearer they saw that the white mist was driving back the glooms of Dol Guldur, and soon they passed into it, riding slowly at first and warily; but under its canopy all things were lit with a clear and shadowless light, while to left and right they were guarded as it were by white walls of secrecy.

"The Lady of the Golden Wood is on our side, it seems,” said Borondir. "Maybe," said Eorl. "But at least I will trust the wisdom of Felaróf. He scents no evil. His heart is high, and his weariness is healed: he strains to be given his head. So be it! For never have I had more need of secrecy and speed."

The Northern Army of Gondor was in peril. Defeated in the Wold and cut off from the south, it had been driven across the Limlight by a great host of wild men coming down out of the Brownlands, crossing the Anduin on rafts. At the same time by chance or design the Orcs (who at that time before their war with the Dwarves were in at strength) made a descent from the Mountains, and Cirion's army was assailed by the Orc-host that pressed it towards the Anduin. All hope was lost when, unlooked for, the Riders came out of the North and broke upon the rear of the enemy. Then the fortunes of battle were reversed, and the enemy was driven with slaughter over Limlight. Eorl led his men in pursuit, and so great was the fear that went before the horsemen of the North that the invaders of the Wold were also thrown into panic, and the Riders hunted them over the plains of Calenardhon.


The oath of Eorl, and the second migration of the Éothéod

The people of that region had become few since the Plague, and most of those that remained there had been slaughtered by the savage Easterlings. Cirion, therefor, in reward for his aid, gave Calenardhon between Anduin and Isen to Eorl and his people; and in return he swore to Cirion the Oath of Eorl, of friendship at need or at call to the lords of Gondor.

The day after the Oath-taking Cirion and Eorl embraced and took their leave unwillingly. For Eorl said: "Lord Steward, I have much to do in haste. This land is now rid of enemies; but they are not destroyed at the root, and beyond Anduin and under the eaves of Mirkwood we know not yet what peril lurks.

I sent yestereve three messengers north, riders brave and skilled, in the hope that one at least will reach my home before me. For I must now return myself, and with some strength; my land was left with few men, those too young and those too old; and if they are to make so great a journey our women and children, with such goods as we cannot spare, must be guarded, and only the Lord of the Éothéod himself will they follow.

I will leave behind me all the strength that I can spare, well nigh half of the host that is now in Calenardhon. Some companies of horsed archers there shall be, to go where need calls, if any bands of the enemy still lurk in the land; but the main force shall remain in the North-east to guard above all the place where the Balchoth made a crossing of the Anduin out of the Brown Lands; for there is still the greatest danger, and there also is my chief hope, if I return, of leading my people into their new land with as little grief and loss as may be.

If I return, I say: but be assured that I shall return, for the keeping of my oath, unless disaster befall us and I perish with my people on the long road. For that must be on the east side of Anduin ever under the threat of Mirkwood, and at last must pass through the vale that is haunted by the shadow of the hill that you name Dol Guldur. On the west side there is no road for horsemen, nor for a great host of people and wains, even were not the Mountains infested by Orcs; and none can pass, few or many, through the Dwimordene where dwells the White Lady and weaves nets that no mortal can pass. By the east road will I come, as I came to Celebrant; and may those whom we called in witness of our oaths have us in their keeping."


Tolkien, (ed. Christopher Tolkien): Unfinished Tales, "Cirion and Eorl and the Friendship of Gondor and Rohan"
 


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Posted 14 August 2015 - 11:45 AM

I love the music of The Tolkien Ensemble. =D


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Posted 14 August 2015 - 12:28 PM

The Tolkien Ensemble is Total Lord of the Rings Magic.

 


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Posted 14 August 2015 - 04:35 PM

While this thread is still off-topic, does someone know what happened to The Thain's Book?? It's allmost next to nothing now; a few years ago it was about the very best site on Tolkien lore around the web.


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Posted 14 August 2015 - 06:21 PM

http://thainsbook.net/

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