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#41 Blodo

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 05:19 PM

95% sure it was Bradley, but nobody counted on Korea getting help from the Chinese. If the Russians and Chinese had not intervened, it would have been a three week war.

Yes its obvious.

Don't tell me your source is that made up death toll of 100,000, because everyone knows that that is a bullshit source that people use to scare normal people. The fact that about 90% of the people accounted for on that tally are unaccounted for in any reports boggles the mind how anyone could find it to be a valid source.
And how many did Saddam kill? How about 100,000 Kurds in one day? Oh but that doesn't count because it's only brought up in anti-Saddam conversations, not anti-America ones.

Look Saddam was an arsehole too. Thing is he wouldnt even be in power for all we know if you wouldnt have been funding his war effort.

Do I have to say it again? Don't make stuff up or come here with a valid source that isn't a propoganda machine encouraging communist revolts. Kim Jong Il will open up the border with artillery, not kindness.

You think i made that up? Look what i just found on google:

June 2000: The North and South Korean leaders hold a historic three day summit in Pyongyang. They sign a pact making a commitment towards reunification and allow reunions of families separated during the Korean War.

September 25, 2000: The defense ministers of South and North Korea meet for talks.

October 2000: U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright holds talks with Kim Jong Il in North Korea.

December 2000: South Korean President Kim Dae-jung is presented with the Nobel Peace Prize in recognition of his efforts to establish relations with Communist North Korea.

March 2001: South Korean President Kim Dae-jung meets with US President George W. Bush. North Korea cancels ministerial talks with the South after Bush states the North poses a threat to the region and cannot be trusted to honor agreements.

October 2001: North Korea postpones plans to hold reunions of families separated since the Korean War, citing a "warlike situation" in Seoul since the terrorist attacks in the United States.

"Thank your buddy Bush Senior for that".

Really, are you a communist hippie?
China, France, United Kingdom, Israel, and Russia would all have to disarm if the US would. You really think that China will disarm? China, Russia, and Israel? And if China disarms, what about India, Pakistan, and Iran? You can't be so naive to think that the entire world is going to give up nuclear weapons, their only defence against other nuclear weapons, to become some group of hippies, do you?


Sure call me whatever you want. Thing is i dont see a point in maintaining HUNDREDS of nukes today. Is the cold war with Russia still commencing? Does North Korea have 3 thousand nukes at its disposal? Is it rational to bombard a country with a thousand nukes today? Im not an idiot saying "disarm all the nukes today, now, at this moment", i know that they are meant to be a sort of pepper spray to hostile nations, "if you attack ill treat you with this" etc. Speaking of which even Russia is getting rid of their nukes, tho its mainly cause the maitenance cost is ruining their military budget.

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 05:55 PM

Providing sources is the burden of the person providing the argument, I am simply providing a counter-argument. It is not my job to provide you with sources of stuff you're arguing.
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Posted 26 March 2005 - 11:19 PM

Again this shows your knowledge (or lack of) about other countries. Most other countries have signed conventional weapons/nuclear weapons acts except the US. Britain has been disarming those weapons for years.

except the US and Britain? Lots of other countries refuse to disarm, many countries are still building up their nuclear arsenal... hell, the Chinese DF-31 was just unveiled to the world a few years back

And hippies? WTF? Do they offend you because they believe in freedom, love and peace. Is it scary the thought that the world one day could possibly be peaceful if everyone was to stop acting so dumb and damn ignorant/arrogant. What does your country lose from not going to war? Money? Profit? I don't get people who have so much hate in their hearts they say they hate hippies or communists. I dislike capitalism but i don't hate capitalists, they still are people.

I don't hate communists... comminism just doesn't work in practice, but they've got the right idea overall... hippies were an unfortunate generation who blamed the government for eveything, never worked, and smoked all day

Look Saddam was an arsehole too. Thing is he wouldnt even be in power for all we know if you wouldnt have been funding his war effort.

then some other arsehole would be in power...

You think i made that up? Look what i just found on google:

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June 2000: The North and South Korean leaders hold a historic three day summit in Pyongyang. They sign a pact making a commitment towards reunification and allow reunions of families separated during the Korean War.

September 25, 2000: The defense ministers of South and North Korea meet for talks.

October 2000: U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright holds talks with Kim Jong Il in North Korea.

December 2000: South Korean President Kim Dae-jung is presented with the Nobel Peace Prize in recognition of his efforts to establish relations with Communist North Korea.

March 2001: South Korean President Kim Dae-jung meets with US President George W. Bush. North Korea cancels ministerial talks with the South after Bush states the North poses a threat to the region and cannot be trusted to honor agreements.

October 2001: North Korea postpones plans to hold reunions of families separated since the Korean War, citing a "warlike situation" in Seoul since the terrorist attacks in the United States.

"Thank your buddy Bush Senior for that".

guess what, N Korea cannot be trusted, he was telling the truth...

Sure call me whatever you want. Thing is i dont see a point in maintaining HUNDREDS of nukes today. Is the cold war with Russia still commencing? Does North Korea have 3 thousand nukes at its disposal? Is it rational to bombard a country with a thousand nukes today? Im not an idiot saying "disarm all the nukes today, now, at this moment", i know that they are meant to be a sort of pepper spray to hostile nations, "if you attack ill treat you with this" etc. Speaking of which even Russia is getting rid of their nukes, tho its mainly cause the maitenance cost is ruining their military budget.

everyone has nukes, without nukes you can't be taken seriously militarily...
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Posted 26 March 2005 - 11:41 PM

[quote name='Silent_Killa' date='Mar 26 2005, 11:19 PM']
[quote]And hippies? WTF? Do they offend you because they believe in freedom, love and peace. Is it scary the thought that the world one day could possibly be peaceful if everyone was to stop acting so dumb and damn ignorant/arrogant. What does your country lose from not going to war? Money? Profit? I don't get people who have so much hate in their hearts they say they hate hippies or communists. I dislike capitalism but i don't hate capitalists, they still are people.[/quote]I don't hate communists... comminism just doesn't work in practice, but they've got the right idea overall... hippies were an unfortunate generation who blamed the government for eveything, never worked, and smoked all day[/quote]

This wasn't directed at you, oh well :huh: Yeah they were actually, but Hippies were cool! lol. Nah, your right, i do agree there. They had the right idea except the working and smoking part.

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[quote]Look Saddam was an arsehole too. Thing is he wouldnt even be in power for all we know if you wouldnt have been funding his war effort.[/quote]then some other arsehole would be in power... [/quote]

Lets see if the Iraqis vote an asshole in power. Who did the vote in anyway? Any results yet?

[quote]Sure call me whatever you want. Thing is i dont see a point in maintaining HUNDREDS of nukes today. Is the cold war with Russia still commencing? Does North Korea have 3 thousand nukes at its disposal? Is it rational to bombard a country with a thousand nukes today? Im not an idiot saying "disarm all the nukes today, now, at this moment", i know that they are meant to be a sort of pepper spray to hostile nations, "if you attack ill treat you with this" etc. Speaking of which even Russia is getting rid of their nukes, tho its mainly cause the maitenance cost is ruining their military budget.[/quote]everyone has nukes, without nukes you can't be taken seriously militarily...

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I know what your getting at here, but war is pathetic, isn't it time we all just got along. Sadly i know i'm just dreaming of a day that will never come. Humans are pathetic, we will always be pathetic, and we will never care, which results in war and loss of life for no reason... All i can do is bitch and moan.

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Posted 27 March 2005 - 12:54 AM

I know what your getting at here, but war is pathetic, isn't it time we all just got along. Sadly i know i'm just dreaming of a day that will never come. Humans are pathetic, we will always be pathetic, and we will never care, which results in war and loss of life for no reason... All i can do is bitch and moan.

war isn't pathetic, it is an evil... unfortunately a necessary evil... however, it would not be necessary if humanity was not evil... not all of humanity, but enough to where it cannot be eliminated, there will always be an enemy, always be war, there will never be a utopia... hell, I'm rambling :huh:
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Posted 27 March 2005 - 10:52 AM

I know what your getting at here, but war is pathetic, isn't it time we all just got along. Sadly i know i'm just dreaming of a day that will never come. Humans are pathetic, we will always be pathetic, and we will never care, which results in war and loss of life for no reason... All i can do is bitch and moan.

war isn't pathetic, it is an evil... unfortunately a necessary evil... however, it would not be necessary if humanity was not evil... not all of humanity, but enough to where it cannot be eliminated, there will always be an enemy, always be war, there will never be a utopia... hell, I'm rambling :huh:

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Lol we all ramble enough, most of my posts are ramblings. I hate war like most other people do, but sadly i know we are going to see Iran, Syria maybe NK, maybe one day China. Problem is, in my opinion, where theres capitalism there will always be war.

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Posted 27 March 2005 - 11:55 AM

guess what, N Korea cannot be trusted, he was telling the truth...

Guess what North Korea was on its way to unification with the South and your president BLEW IT. But i dont think anyone will ever admit that. For one thing im pretty positive your president wanted it that way.

everyone has nukes, without nukes you can't be taken seriously militarily...


No not everyone has nukes, only about 10-15 countries have nukes and thats definatly not everyone.

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Posted 27 March 2005 - 12:48 PM

Lol we all ramble enough, most of my posts are ramblings. I hate war like most other people do, but sadly i know we are going to see Iran, Syria maybe NK, maybe one day China. Problem is, in my opinion, where theres capitalism there will always be war.

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War has nothing to do with capitalism, it has to do with being human.

When there are 2 communist countries, both taking claim over a piece of land and voila... war. Take the border skirmishes between Vietnam and China as an example or the skirmishes between the USSR and China.

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Posted 27 March 2005 - 02:18 PM

No not everyone has nukes, only about 10-15 countries have nukes and thats definatly not everyone.

Are these countries not on the security council?
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Posted 28 March 2005 - 01:53 AM

Guess what North Korea was on its way to unification with the South and your president BLEW IT. But i dont think anyone will ever admit that. For one thing im pretty positive your president wanted it that way.

please, North Korea would just take over the South and that would be that... do you honestly believe Kim Jong can be trusted? that's bull shit and you know it, the two countries unified would only be a bigger pain in the ass

No not everyone has nukes, only about 10-15 countries have nukes and thats definatly not everyone.

and when it comes down to it, those countries aren't taken seriously... what I meant was all major countries have nukes...

War has nothing to do with capitalism, it has to do with being human.

that's what I'm saying... war will only end when humanity does...
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Posted 28 March 2005 - 03:31 AM

Be thankful that the tendencies of the ancient Romans and Greeks did not carry over to today, we'd all be dead.
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Posted 28 March 2005 - 08:05 AM

please, North Korea would just take over the South and that would be that... do you honestly believe Kim Jong can be trusted? that's bull shit and you know it, the two countries unified would only be a bigger pain in the ass

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Why would they be a bigger pain in the ass? Because they wouldnt depend on USA as much after the unification? Its obvious that if the countries ever unite it will not be under communist will. Or maybe you are afraid of that? Think rational.

Besides why are you so sure he cant be trusted? They didnt even give a chance for all we know, just because the bush family likes to stick their noses into other countries business.

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Posted 28 March 2005 - 08:43 AM

What tendencies, MSpencer? You mean only caring about furthering your own country, not caring about the greater good, and stepping on everybody else just to push your own nation a few steps forward?

Yes, quite right, at least we don't see that today.
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Posted 28 March 2005 - 11:57 AM

No, I was thinking more along the lines of nationalism en masse, such as "we're not barbarians, but you and everyone you've ever heard of are".
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Posted 28 March 2005 - 12:07 PM

Too true. At least those attitudes are dead and buried. What a terrible place the world would be if the most powerful countries in the world still thought like that.
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Posted 28 March 2005 - 02:45 PM

hehe, its not like the end of the world kinda news im bringing in, but i just got a call from  a buddy which is in the military. they are having some international training up here in my area with people from us, italy, sweden, finland and probably some other countries.

the US forces came out of the airport with brand new desert boots. now that gave the norwegian soldiers up here a good laugh. dunno how good those boots are in 3 feet of snow/slugde.

anyway, the main thing that i wanted to post about was the fact that some of the american troops were given a job to get to a certain position and confront the enemy. some norwegian troopers had the same objective so i guess they were to fight each other. but before they got up to each other, they came into a mob of people who were standing in the way, blocking it. the norwegians got an agreement with the people to pass, the americans shot after them to get through.

quite different ways of solving a situation i must say, the old saying "shoot first, ask questions later" comes to mind ;)

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Posted 28 March 2005 - 02:55 PM

Theyre soldiers. Guess they figured skiing wont be of much use in iraq :p

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Posted 28 March 2005 - 03:08 PM

Iraq isnt the only place there can be war you know...

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Posted 28 March 2005 - 03:16 PM

Of course not. Battle of Chamonix, anyone?

Even if that did exist, i'm pretty sure skiing would not play a large role.
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Posted 29 March 2005 - 03:21 AM

Why would they be a bigger pain in the ass? Because they wouldnt depend on USA as much after the unification? Its obvious that if the countries ever unite it will not be under communist will. Or maybe you are afraid of that? Think rational.

it's not the communist part that's the problem, it's the dictatorship that is... quit your America hating, and realize that just because a country is communist, doesn't make them good guys

Besides why are you so sure he cant be trusted? They didnt even give a chance for all we know, just because the bush family likes to stick their noses into other countries business.

I dunno, maybe the fact that they got nukes that they aren't allowed to have?

Of course not. Battle of Chamonix, anyone?

Even if that did exist, i'm pretty sure skiing would not play a large role.

lol, I just got a picture of John Rambo flying down a snowy slope with a scarf and machine gun :p
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