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[Dave]

It has come to my attention that many people don't actually know the truth about the Nazi party soooooooo....

1. Hitler founded the Nazi party
Urm... no, hitler remaned it the Nazi or NSDA party, put didn't found it

2. Removed

3, Hitler and The Nazi's were really evil
Does anyone who said this know the meaning of the word evil?? The Nazis started research into curing cancer, a save the whales campaign and Hitler himself was a vegetarian. Hitler was also like dogs. Where's the evil?

4.The Nazis started WW2
WRONG! The French started World War 2 by invading Germany after it reclaimed areas of Prussia taken by Poland after WW1

5. Removed

6. Hitler had total control over Germany
Still wrong, Himmler or Goering could have taken power just by walking in and shooting Hitler. It could be done, they even tried it... and failed. At which point they were declared trators. (Hitler said in his will he wanted them executed)

7. Removed


8. Hitler lost the second world war because he had inferior technolegy
If you actually believed this, then you are an idiot. By 1944 the Nazis had Jet Fighters and Bombers (Go229, Focke-wulf), assault rifles (FG42, STGW44), Helicopters (FLR-289) and MRBMs (V-2)

Edited by Dave, 11 March 2005 - 10:22 PM.

[Mastermind]

It has come to my attention that many people don't actually know the truth about the Nazi party soooooooo....

1. Hitler founded the Nazi party
Urm... no, hitler remaned it the Nazi or NSDA party, put didn't found it

He still rode it to the top of German power

2. Hitler Ordered the Mass murder of millions of Jews, Communist etc..
No, Himmler was responsible for that, near the end he tried to kill Hitler, and failed

Himmler might have been responsible, but Hitler still could have stopped it. Have you read Mein Kampf? I'm pretty sure Hitler details exactly what he would like to do to the Jews

3, Hitler and The Nazi's were really evil
Does anyone who said this know the meaning of the word evil?? The Nazis started research into curing cancer, a save the whales campaign and Hitler himself was a vegetarian. Hitler was also like dogs. Where's the evil?

Six million Jews, 20 million Russians, a few million more Germans, and many others dead because of the war? I call that evil.

4.The Nazis started WW2
WRONG! The French started World War 2 by invading Germany after it reclaimed areas of Prussia taken by Poland after WW1, amazingly no one seemed to care about Czech and Austrian areas they took... maybe because the vast amounts of Jews in bristish and French Governments didn't care about them (Around 1/4 of the population in poland was Jewish)

Hitler launched a war of aggression. There is no one to blame but him. Even if you want to say that it was because of World War One, guess who was the aggressor in that war? I'll give you a hint. It starts with G and ends in ermany.

5. (relevence to 2) Hitler trusted Himmler more than anyone else
Actually Hitler trusted Gobbels more than Himmler

This has any importance how?

6. Hitler had total control over Germany
Still wrong, Himmler or Goering could have taken power just by walking in and shooting Hitler. It could be done, they even tried it... and failed. At which point they were declared trators. (Hitler said in his will he wanted them executed)

He still exercised absolute power. Just because someone can walk in and take control does not mean that the person they kill has absolute power.

7. Hitler believed the lie that there was an international Jewish Conspiricy
Can you prove there wasn't? Look at Isreal, expanding all the time. Also look at point 4.

And can you prove that there is? I see a lot of blatant anti-semitism here with absolutely no backing.

8. Hitler lost the second world war because he had inferior technolegy
If you actually believed this, then you are an idiot. By 1944 the Nazis had Jet Fighters and Bombers (Go229, Focke-wulf), assault rifles (FG42, STGW44), Helicopters (FLR-289) and MRBMs (V-2)

I see no one claiming that Hitler lost because of inferior technology. He was destroyed by his ego, and superior numbers on the Allied side

And people say Fascism doesn't work

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Define work? All I see Fascism having done in this case is kill 30 million people, cause a huge war, bring huge amounts of destruction, and generally do nothing good. Come back when you have an argument that isn't based on fantasy.

[chemical ali]

Read a history book before you make pro Nazi facts and I dont know how you can say facism works, you fucking sicko! Do you know how many people were died and the soldeirs who were maimed loosing eyes and legs? World War two caused so many problems, the nuclear weapon was made, a entire race of people were virtually extermianted it left most of the world devestated. People like you cause racism If I was an admin I would have temp banned you by now.

[ComradeJ]

Whoever may have been directly responsible, they were all following Hitler's orders and ideas. Himmler was a chicken farmer, and a bad one at that too. Think he could ever come up with the difficult of system of mass murder? Nobody ever did stuff by himself, but in the end, Hitler was the boss, the giver of ideas.

1. Hitler founded the Nazi party
Urm... no, hitler remaned it the Nazi or NSDA party, put didn't found it

But he more or less put it 'on the map'. The Nazi party would've never gained power if it wasn't for Hitler.

2. Hitler Ordered the Mass murder of millions of Jews, Communist etc..
No, Himmler was responsible for that, near the end he tried to kill Hitler, and failed

Whoever may have been directly responsible, they were all following Hitler's orders and ideas. Himmler was a chicken farmer, and a bad one at that too. Think he could ever come up with the difficult of system of mass murder? Nobody ever did stuff by himself, but in the end, Hitler was the boss, the giver of ideas.

3, Hitler and The Nazi's were really evil
Does anyone who said this know the meaning of the word evil?? The Nazis started research into curing cancer, a save the whales campaign and Hitler himself was a vegetarian. Hitler was also like dogs. Where's the evil?

For one, vegetarians and dogs are really evil. Apart from that, trying to kill an entire race of people, enslave the Russians and wake up long dead warlords (ok, I got that from Wolfenstein, maybe they didn't do that for real) seems pretty evil to me too.

4.The Nazis started WW2
WRONG! The French started World War 2 by invading Germany after it reclaimed areas of Prussia taken by Poland after WW1, amazingly no one seemed to care about Czech and Austrian areas they took... maybe because the vast amounts of Jews in bristish and French Governments didn't care about them (Around 1/4 of the population in poland was Jewish)

I always thought it was the Brits who declared war, but it doesn't matter. It's not declaring war that's not nice, it's waging war.

5. (relevence to 2) Hitler trusted Himmler more than anyone else
Actually Hitler trusted Gobbels more than Himmler

I think anyone would've, Himmler was an idiot.

6. Hitler had total control over Germany
Still wrong, Himmler or Goering could have taken power just by walking in and shooting Hitler. It could be done, they even tried it... and failed. At which point they were declared trators. (Hitler said in his will he wanted them executed)

But Hitler was the face of Nazi Germany, of all the progress they made since 1933. If he was killed, the country would've collapsed. Only a man with a lot of charisma could hold a nation that's waging a losing war together, and if one thing, Hitler could appeal the people like no other.

7. Hitler believed the lie that there was an international Jewish Conspiricy
Can you prove there wasn't? Look at Isreal, expanding all the time. Also look at point 4.

Yes, so killing men, women and children was obvisouly the best option [/sarcasm]

8. Hitler lost the second world war because he had inferior technolegy
If you actually believed this, then you are an idiot. By 1944 the Nazis had Jet Fighters and Bombers (Go229, Focke-wulf), assault rifles (FG42, STGW44), Helicopters (FLR-289) and MRBMs (V-2)

Well, duh? But on the other hand, the Allies were about to put the P-80 to use, superior to the Me-262, they had the massive B-29, and the Soviets had the JS-3 series which was superior to the Tiger and King Tiger series. And they lacked Atom bombs...

BTW, I've never heard of a FLR-289 helicopter. And Google doesn't seem to either. I always thought Sikorsky invented helicopters...

[Ash]

What. The. Fuck? o_0

1) What relevance does this topic have to anything anyway? Germany lost. And I for one am damn glad for it. And I don't think I'm the only one, either...

2) Hitler despised Jews...he made that clear in his book, as MM said. Himmler followed Hitler's orders. Yes, he tried to kill him, but despite that Hitler designed the final solution. He wanted the Jews exterminated...that was the single most important point in his manifesto.

3) Hitler was a homosexual. Just ask Hermann Goering. And then look at all the gays he had executed. Do I sense a bit of hypocrisy?

4) Hitler did not fit into the Aryan profile he designed. He was short, brown hair, brown eyes, ugly...not tall, blonde hair, blue eyes.

5) The Treaty of Versailles outlined that France could maintain the territories it had claimed as part of the first world war (ie, Sudetenland, etc). Germany was even GIVEN a chunk of Poland if I remember rightly, anyway.
Germany invaded Austria, Czechoslovakia and a couple of other smaller countries too I think. Poland was allied with Britain and France, who declared war when Hitler invaded. Hitler then invaded Holland and Belgium in order to get to France past the Maginot (sp?) line. Somehow I think this has a bit less to do with WW1 than our fascist friend is making out.
I also don't think there are/were ANY Jews in British politics. Even if there were, Hitler was getting a bit too cocky by that time anyway. France never got a chance to invade Germany in WW2...

Hitler was also like dogs

Even dogs do not savage other breeds of dog to death. I'd say he was more like a human.


Anyway, as MM said, dry up, blow away and don't come back unless you've something worthy to say. And certainly don't come back spouting pro-Nazi bollocks, or else I personally will make an appeal for you to be banned.

[MSpencer]

Well, we have our first real forum nazi!

[Martinoz]

What The Fuck ?? Get off with this motherfucker !!
Who is this men ? Member of NPD in Germany or other NeoNazi ??
This is the most stupid post what I ever seen in my life... Maybe this rat knows something about Polish Death Camps ,huh ? Or that Poland attacked Germany and they were only attacking in defense ?? So why over 6 millions citizens of Poland died if Germany didn't start war ?
Warsaw was destroyed in over 100% (Most citizens were killed in 1944 from 1st August to 3rd October by Nazis in rise), and other cities were destroyed heavily too.
After war in 1945 in Poland lived over 24 millions people. Before war was living over 35 millions. We lost over 30% of citizens and 38% of National Wealth.
Polish soldiers were fighting in all WWII fronts but we were threaten by Allies in Jalta. Now some Western Press is writing about Polish death camps but they wouldn't want to find real true...
So STFU with this shit

Edited by Martin Killer PL, 11 March 2005 - 09:17 PM.

[Speeder]

LOL@Martin

If I look on white wall I also think it's black instead of being white

Seriously, who is that guy? Nazi? Maybe revived spirit of hitler? lost Whoever! And maybe study more history before saying such things. In short: STFU! And you are luckily that Im not in mood today after 10 hours of Renegade, so I would post a small FC about things you said

Edited by Speeder, 11 March 2005 - 09:29 PM.

[Blodo]

The Nazis started research into curing cancer = propaganda
a save the whales campaign = propaganda
Hitler himself was a vegetarian = wtf does this have to do with nazis?

Anyways congratulations: youre the first one i met who succumbed almost totally to nazi propaganda WITHOUT witnessing it in real life. Its obvious that you havent cause if you had then you would never write something like that, but because you didnt see it on your own bare eyes you think you know best on the subject. Sorry pal. Youre wrong. I suggest actually paying attention in your history class, and maybe watching a few documents. Trust me: its not "allied bullshit propaganda", its all truth.

I don't support nazism in any way, but I appreciate historically correct facts as well. Just because he wants to set things straight does that make him a nazi? I think not.

Do you really think that his version is straight? I really hope not.

Edited by Blodo, 11 March 2005 - 10:04 PM.

[Dave]

FLR 282 was the helicopter
OK, look,

WHAT THE HELL IS EVERYONE DOING???
ONE MENTION OF THE NAZI PARTY AND EVERYONE GOES FUCKING INSANE!!!!

Thank you Immoman I can see that you can tell what I mean
All I want to do is stop the prejudice against it, 'cos everyone I know thinks that *FASCISM* (as in not Nazism) does not work, I will admit I may have said some things that are considered anti-sematic, and I apologize. But... really, most of these replies are flaming, if you are sensitive about this subject, THEN DON'T READ THE TOPIC!!!

"Hitler launched a war of aggression. There is no one to blame but him. Even if you want to say that it was because of World War One, guess who was the aggressor in that war? I'll give you a hint. It starts with G and ends in ermany." - Urm... If I remeber correctly the black hand (balkan) started WW1 by killing the last remaining heir to the Austria-Hungry throne

"Allies were about to put the P-80 to use, superior to the Me-262" - what about the metoar, that had built in radar?

"20 million Russians"
Stalin killed around 3 times the amount of people the Nazis killed, possible more

Seeing as too many people have complained about it, I have removed all reference to Racism and the Final Solution

Edited by Dave, 11 March 2005 - 10:23 PM.

[Mastermind]

FLR 282 was the helicopter
OK, look,

WHAT THE HELL IS EVERYONE DOING???
ONE MENTION OF THE NAZI PARTY AND EVERYONE GOES FUCKING INSANE!!!!

Thank you Immoman I can see that you can tell what I mean
All I want to do is stop the prejudice against it, 'cos everyone I know thinks that *FASCISM* (as in not Nazism) does not work, I will admit I may have said some things that are considered anti-sematic, and I apologize. But... really, most of these replies are flaming, if you are sensitive about this, THEN DON'T READ THE TOPIC!!!

"Hitler launched a war of aggression. There is no one to blame but him. Even if you want to say that it was because of World War One, guess who was the aggressor in that war? I'll give you a hint. It starts with G and ends in ermany." - Urm... If I remeber correctly the black hand (balkan) started WW1 by killing the last remaining heir to the Austria-Hungry throne

"Allies were about to put the P-80 to use, superior to the Me-262" - what about the metoar, that had built in radar?

"And they lacked Atom bombs... "
The Nazis didn't believe the Atom bomb was possible

Seeing as too many people have complained about it, I have removed all reference to Racism and the Final Solution

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Germany may not have directly started the war, but they were looking for WW1 to happen. They thought they could seize a distinct advantage. It was a misperception of the success of Bismarck in unifying and expanding Germany. Fascism does not work, for the simple fact that it leaves the power in the hands of a single person, or even a few. Rule by the people, either through democracy or communism is much superior to fascism. It might work in the short term, but it has many negative effects. Also, I would really like to see facts that your version of history.

[Blodo]

Well Dave i guess you just happened to miss the concentration camps in whole of germany and poland? Maybe you should go on a trip to europe, to a place called auschwitz-birkenau by the oh-so-honorable germans. If that doesnt change your views then you truly are a nazi.

Oh and sorry if your getting irritated by everyone affiliating you with the nazis but your version of history is like something copied from a german propaganda book. Everyone was guilty - except the germans.

[Martinoz]

I can't stand with this ignoration... From what country are you ?? Switzerland, Turkey, Sweden or other Western Countries ? So, perhaps you don't know what truly means Death Camp. In Western Europe was only if I know Slave Work Camps... In Eastern Europe and Germany was both.
In Western Europe under Nazi occupation was lighter for people but in Poland and USSR was a HELL. Germans destroyed Polish villages and killed most citizens except children. If SS or Gestapo catched Pole in street in any city he had 3 options:
- Death Camp
- Shoot in head (inopportune)
- Compulsive works in III Reich
Remember that Hitler was realising "Lebensraum" which destination was EAST not WEST ,so WTF u know about Nazis achievements ?? Their "acievements" was going to kill other people not to serve them so STFU..
All this "healthy food and life" was propaganda... look at Goering. I don't think that dumbass ,coward and fucking bastard was a type of really "aryan" in Hitler's meaning. Dumb and fat "human" who was taking drugs in high perch.

BTW Have you ever heard about Dr. Mengele ,what he was doing in Aushwitz with people ??

[chemical ali]

Yes, he tried to make siamese twins and do a mass sterilastation of all Jewish children by burning off their genitals................... He tried out new chemical weapons, some of the most sick and repulsive things humans can done were done there.

[Martinoz]

That was question special for Dave but ofcourse it's good that you know that

[Tom]

1) What relevance does this topic have to anything anyway? Germany lost. And I for one am damn glad for it. And I don't think I'm the only one, either...

No one wins in war. Germany might had said to lost, but all those lives lost fighting is the real loss.

The real people to blame are again the right wing elitests in germany at that time. Hindenburg being too old for presidency and allowing people to have a major influence on his decisions. If papen, schleicher and hindenburg didn't fuck with democracy in germany hitler would never have gotten into power. If papen wasn't such a cry baby bitch because he was kicked out of chancellorship, hitler would have never got into power. In the 1932 elections the nazis lost over 1million votes and their numbers we declining, if hitler was no assigned chancellor in jan 1933 then i believe the Nazi numbers would have declined more and we would never have known about them today. We can blame the elitests in germany for the war, as the treaty of versailies was slowly being erased anyway. The payments for germany had been stopped and their economy was slowly becoming more stable after the wall street crash.

3) Hitler was a homosexual. Just ask Hermann Goering. And then look at all the gays he had executed. Do I sense a bit of hypocrisy?

There isn't actually much proof of that, people will say it and i myself believe it is likely he was, but we cannot deny the fact there isn't much proof. He got married later anyway, remember?

5) The Treaty of Versailles outlined that France could maintain the territories it had claimed as part of the first world war (ie, Sudetenland, etc). Germany was even GIVEN a chunk of Poland if I remember rightly, anyway.

Nop, Germany only had land taken from it in the treaty. The only time the french occupied germany was in the Ruhr and the Rhineland.

Germany invaded Austria, Czechoslovakia and a couple of other smaller countries too I think. Poland was allied with Britain and France, who declared war when Hitler invaded.

Chamberlain could be to blame for allowing the war to happen as well. He literally gave Czechoslovakia to Hitler. He made Britain look weak and allowed hitler to push us about because he was scared of war. I dislike war myself, but in times like that, with people like that there is no other option. Its the only language he understood. After allowing Hitler to have Austria and Czechoslovakia, they said if he touched poland they would support it. Obviously he thought it was all talk and he did. Chamberlain was a wimp anyway. As soon as this happened it called General elections and nothing was done really until Churchill was elected.

Hitler then invaded Holland and Belgium in order to get to France past the Maginot (sp?) line. Somehow I think this has a bit less to do with WW1 than our fascist friend is making out.
I also don't think there are/were ANY Jews in British politics. Even if there were, Hitler was getting a bit too cocky by that time anyway. France never got a chance to invade Germany in WW2...

I blame chamberlain for this. For his ability to not see things far off. For his ability to give in to Hitler and for his ability to wait until 1939 to start rearming again. By this time it was too late.

1. Hitler founded the Nazi party
Urm... no, hitler remaned it the Nazi or NSDA party, put didn't found it

And dude, for being a Nazi supporter i thought you'd atleast get the name right. NSDAP it was, not NSDA. National Socialist German Workers Party, thats where the term Nazi comes from National Socialist, in german.

[Dave]

"And dude, for being a Nazi supporter i thought you'd atleast get the name right. NSDAP it was, not NSDA. National Socialist German Workers Party, thats where the term Nazi comes from National Socialist, in german."

The P stands for party, I said partyu after NSDA, soooo...

ANYWAY DIDN'T I SAY I WASN'T A NAZI!!!!

ANTI-COMMUNIST = YES
NAZI = NO!

Anyway, I just want to point out that Nazi's are always protrayed as being evil, and it seems to me that if everyone wants to flame about how I said a few things that I didn't proerly check up up, it's fine by me, because as far as I'm concerned you can live in the lie which American media yells out to you everyday.

I realize that the Nazi's put Jews, communists, Gypses etc to death in concentration camps. But didn't the Americans kill millions of coloured people without reason? Didn't Stalin kill more people just because he thought they were plotting against him? And most importantly, aren't the Americans imprisioning people without trial just because they *might* be terrorists?

[Tom]

"And dude, for being a Nazi supporter i thought you'd atleast get the name right. NSDAP it was, not NSDA. National Socialist German Workers Party, thats where the term Nazi comes from National Socialist, in german."

The P stands for party, I said partyu after NSDA, soooo...

ANYWAY DIDN'T I SAY I WASN'T A NAZI!!!!

ANTI-COMMUNIST = YES
NAZI = NO!

So your more of an anti-communist than an anti-nazi? Thats just more skewed logic.

Anyway, I just want to point out that Nazi's are always protrayed as being evil, and it seems to me that if everyone wants to flame about how I said a few things that I didn't proerly check up up, it's fine by me, because as far as I'm concerned you can live in the lie which American media yells out to you everyday.

I'm not American, I'm British. I don't read much newspapers or watch the news often because most of the time its shit.

Your telling me the nazi's weren't evil. Well i guess the:

6million jews + including their children
20million russians
millions of other soliders that fought against them
the countless millions of innocent civilians that were killed
Homosexuals, gypsies
thousands of communists

Were all wrong then? They killed people to fit in with their pathetic prejudices. No evil? Tell the millions of people who suffered, die or lost loved ones at the hands of their little prejudices.

Otherwise Define the word "Evil." Tell me what you think evil is.

I realize that the Nazi's put Jews, communists, Gypses etc to death in concentration camps. But didn't the Americans kill millions of coloured people without reason? Didn't Stalin kill more people just because he thought they were plotting against him? And most importantly, aren't the Americans imprisioning people without trial just because they *might* be terrorists?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

This is Hitler we are talking about. Stalin is protrayed as an evil guy too, what part of the news were you reading? Stalin was evil. He was an idiot and he ruined the chance of communism being successful in Russia and throughout the rest of the 20th century.

Yes the Americans do imprision people without trial. I think its wrong, but i am not going to start another anti-bush/previous president arguement here.

[ComradeJ]

Stalin wasn't very nice too, but at least he didn't discriminate - Russian or non-Russian, Commie or non-Commie, they all got killed.