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[Sari]

I'm just curious as to what people's views are on this; I live in the same area as and unfortunetly keep my horses a stone's throw away from Huntingdon Life Sciences (HLS), which for those who don't know is a major animal testing company. Needless to say, this means I'm often affected by the demonstrations held by so-called animal rights activists (I say so-called because my pony and I ended up in a ditch when forced off the road by a van load of them, and another group frightened my horses so much they sent them both through an electric fence. None of them stopped to help).

At any rate, The Independent today had an article showing how Shac (Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty) are targeting more companies and shareholders who have even the most minimal connection with HLS. I can't describe to you how wrong I think this is, as I don't see how its helping the animals by cutting off ties with banks, insurance agencies, equipment loaners etc. And targeting people such as Nightfrieght (a courier firm) is just ... insane, frankly.

I don't want this to escalate into a flame war, lol, especially since I'm for animal testing, but if people do have some valid points they want to put forward I'd like to hear them (whatever your opinion may be).

[FK47]

Why are you for it? It's unneccesary cruelty to our world's animals...

[Sari]

Unneccesary? Can I ask how else we would find cures for diseases? I'm not talking about cosmetic testing here, btw - that I am utterly against. But when animal testing has helped create medicene for asthma sufferers, pioneered new surgery techniques, and continues to aid in a search for cancer cures amongst countless other things - can you really say it's a bad thing?

[Silent_Killa]

I'm gonna agree with you Sari, it's better an animal die than a person. Dear god, don't let my sister see this topic, she's probably one of those people in the van you were talking about.

btw, you got a pony? What kid actually has a pony?

[Legion]

I am completely against animal testing. I mean, the stuff can just be tested on people. We ARE animals, arent we? Would we like it if the animals started testing shit on us? Fuck no.

Edited by Prime, 01 July 2005 - 11:04 PM.

[Hostile]

True, I guess we could test it on people on death row. j/k

[Legion]

Great idea, lol

[Shine On]

The thing is people seem to forget that alot of products which have made our lives easier and even cured deseases.

And its not like some drug etc. arn't tested on humans as it is. I know that there are several experimental Cancer drugs which are having trial tests on people in hospitals. And speaking of cancer drugs, do you really thikn i'd be here now if it wern't for animal testing? hmmm No i wouldn't.

Do you think that there would be such things as inhalers? No.

Alot of testing has provided for alot of medacines and cures over the year. And i think that alot of the images etc. are blown out of all proportion. Just to try and make their campaign stronger.

Also the methods that the Animal Rights people use against the people that work at HLS are outragous. Destroying property vehicles attacking the members. Utterly repulsive.


So i'm for animal testing...


EDIT: Sorry to repeat what alot Sari said, but its a Valid point!

Edited by Xeno, 02 July 2005 - 10:30 AM.

[Sari]

btw, you got a pony?  What kid actually has a pony?

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Me, apparantly. What's your point?

Exactly. If we hadn't had these medicenes discovered and tested through animal use, Xeno for one wouldn't be here - I'd also have lost my nan and my cousin. My dad would also be extremely ill now if not worse, and my brother (who's asthmatic) would be a lot iller.

For those of you who are against animal testing: if you were diagnosed with a serious illness, would you really reject any medicene offered just because it had been tested on animals? Would you reject it if a family member, a friend, girlfriend or boyfriend - if their only hope of survival was to take these drugs? Don't tell me "that'd be different", because it would totally undermine your whole anti-vivisection arguement.

[Lee]

i dont know much about it but i think its sick, just because animals cant talk and say "oi! fuck off! i dont want no viagra in my food" doesn't mean it doesn't like it.

[Sari]

I'm not talking about crap like viagra or cosmetics. I'm talking about vital medicenes being developed.

[Ash]

Thing is, how do we know it'll actually work on humans, just because we tested it on a rat?

*cough* Thalidomide *cough*

I say test it on humans. But for that, we need clones as test-beds. And as we already are aware, that's unethical. In exactly the same way that using rats and rabbits is unethical.

And we DEFINITELY shouldn't test cosmetics on them. They should not suffer for our vanity.

[Athena]

Heh we don't even really need cosmetics. I mean IMO it doesn't make one any prettier or so.I think there should be no animal tests with regards to cosmetics.
Medicines are a different story, I'm not sure what I think, there are pros and cons.
As long as we don't get 100 Comrade Jerkovs (or insert another members name) running around J/K no offence ment.

BTW Sari it's nice you have a pony . When I was a child I had this friend who really wanted a pony but couldn't because of the room it would take (no not a bedroom ).

[Shine On]

And we DEFINITELY shouldn't test cosmetics on them. They should not suffer for our vanity.

Now that is very true!

As I said some drugs are tested on Humans. However i dunno whether they were tested on Animals first.

If not to test medicines on Human nor animals. Then what?

[ComradeJ]

I am completely against animal testing. I mean, the stuff can just be tested on people. We ARE animals, arent we? Would we like it if the animals started testing shit on us? Fuck no.

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Animals are too stupid to realise they're suffering and humans aren't. Sure, they have pain, but they're not happy if they don't. Besides, why should we care if animals have pain? What have they ever done for us that makes them our equal?

[Ash]

I'm so deeply dumbfounded by that response, that I'm not even going to dignify it with one...maybe I have a staunch supporter of my earlier documented 'Odd Theory'...

[Legion]

I am completely against animal testing. I mean, the stuff can just be tested on people. We ARE animals, arent we? Would we like it if the animals started testing shit on us? Fuck no.

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Animals are too stupid to realise they're suffering and humans aren't. Sure, they have pain, but they're not happy if they don't. Besides, why should we care if animals have pain? What have they ever done for us that makes them our equal?

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Wow... can people really BE that stupid? I'm in awe. Animals feel pain, just as we can. They suffer, just as we do. In many cases, they are just as smart as us.

[Silent_Killa]

Me, apparantly. What's your point?

Ah, it's just something that all the little kids ask for, and none of them get. Just found it kinda funny you actually had one. Poor kid humor.

I'm so deeply dumbfounded by that response, that I'm not even going to dignify it with one...maybe I have a staunch supporter of my earlier documented 'Odd Theory'...

Wow... can people really BE that stupid? I'm in awe.  Animals feel pain, just as we can. They suffer, just as we do. In many cases, they are just as smart as us.

The primary difference between people and animals is that the conscious part of the brain is much larger. An animal feels pain in a very different way than you do, or at least lesser animals do. There's two parts of pain, the first says: damage report, fix it. The second part is: I don't like this. Animals are driven by instinct, not conscious thought. When you get into monkeys, and dolphins, the line gets a bit thinner though.

Dude, how can people be against animal testing that saves lives? So a few rats died because of the drug, how many millions of people were saved? In the wild, most of the rats would be dead anyways.

[Ash]

If they're captive-bred for the purpose, then on second thoughts I don't see much problem. If they're all just whisked from the wild for the purpose, then I do, as that harms the natural balance.

(Remember my last word in the Odd Theory: What we do is natural, but not right)

[Tom]

I am completely against animal testing. I mean, the stuff can just be tested on people. We ARE animals, arent we? Would we like it if the animals started testing shit on us? Fuck no.

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Animals are too stupid to realise they're suffering and humans aren't. Sure, they have pain, but they're not happy if they don't. Besides, why should we care if animals have pain? What have they ever done for us that makes them our equal?

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What ash said:

I'm so deeply dumbfounded by that response,

My personal opinion is its cruel to do animal testing, however i agree only drugs should be tested on animals, or just rats. Use rats. You can find them anywhere, there are millions of them. They usually only get burnt by a flamethrower from an exterminator anyway, so test drugs on rats. No cosmetics, we pretty much know what works and what doesn't so just base if off the past products