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[Shuya-Lee]

are u sure i was being sarcastic??

my desktop for a while was the swastika flag

[Linkal]

Here's another:
You are ordered by your Squad Leader to scout out the area ahead. Upon scouting, you find an enemy with a radio who is apparantly scouting your troops. What would you do?

Shuya, you are a sick fuck if that is true. Hitler APPOINTED HIM and GAVE HIM ORDERS TO COMMIT MASS GENOCIDE. He liked the job, so he did that very well. I hate him as much as anyone hates people who are extreme threats to mankind, but HITLER GAVE IT TO HIM AND GAVE THE ORDER. I don't see how you can love ANY of the leaders with power, or any members from the SS...they were all a part of it (SOME leaders REFUSED direct orders, and Hitler gave them new orders that WERE NOT in any form Genocide. He reassigned them to commander positions of their Army. Now, for any of you saying "They just followed orders", please think about what you're saying.

Edited by Linkal, 23 November 2005 - 12:51 AM.

[Shuya-Lee]

pop a cap in his radio and take him to the squad leader for interrogation, if he managed to see me before i could "remove" his radio then i would have to be a kill.

[MSpencer]

More flaming -> locked. I don't care who it comes from, I'm still a moderator of these sections and if fighting continues the discussion will cease unilaterally.

Obviously the only choice at the point of discovering an enemy spotter would be to shoot them. You never know if they're armed with a sidearm, knife, or whatnot, and unless so ordered, scouting tends to mean elimination of priority threats. Considering a battery of 155mm guns could quite easily wipe out an infantry company fairly quickly and with little effort, a spotter is a priority threat which threatens higher headquarters up to the battalion level.

[Samael]

First question I am only answering.

I would shoot the medic only if he shoots back, he is feild doctor how would you feel if you went to war and got killed only for helping people. So shooting a medic is a stupid move unless he shoots back.

Hitler wasn't the total hater you know. the death camps and creation of the SS was all down to Himmler, he was the sick fuck that created gas chambers. they were created because it was cleaner and didn't make him throw up.



hitler rocks though  Seig Heil(S not Z)

Hitler gave orders to his officers to remove those that are not perfect, he would shoot you if you can't talk, walk, speak, and look right. Also he told his officers to deal away with the imperfects and the insane Himmler took the plate and did away with the imperfects(jew, gypse, handycap, even Germans).

Hitler did get Germany out of suffering that was the only thing he did was good but got right back into suffering.

So if you like Hitler that is ok but I wonder how long would you live in Germany when Hitler was alive.

Another thing wasn't Hitler who signed the Numburg Laws.

Sorry Spence for continuing this but I had to make a point.

Edited by Samael, 23 November 2005 - 06:45 AM.

[MSpencer]

I don't mind the discussion, I mind the flaming. Hitler ordered the removal of anyone undesirable, and the final solution was concocted by Hitler, Himmler, Goering, Rosenberg, and Ribbentrop, not just Himmler. So in reality, no mass genocide occurred until a fuhrer order was issued ordering it, but people did die due to subhumane conditions which were purposely orchestrated.

[Ash]

More nazism from Shuya = BANNED, let alone locked. We shan't have such intolerance here. We're intolerant of intolerant people.

If I were in WW2, I sure as fuck wouldn't trust a German medic to treat me if I was wounded. I definitely wouldn't trust him to do the job right.

Anyone with a gun, who is wearing enemy uniform, who isn't surrendering, dies. Simple.

[MSpencer]

Well be prepared to spend 20 years in a military prison after your service is up for war crimes then. Or better yet, executed in the field by some power-hungry company commander during wartime.
Also let me tell you this now, I'd be quite proud to prosecute your case and go for the maximum penalty.

Edited by MSpencer, 23 November 2005 - 10:53 AM.

[Ash]

That's assuming you'd ever know it was me. Let's face it, if this is a battlefield, there are LOTS of bullets zinging around everywhere. Who's to say I didn't see that he was a medic, and thought it was a guy running to protect his mate while the medic arrive?

Who's to say I wasn't aiming for the guy behind and just happened to pop him instead?

Look, if armies had any sense at all, they'd either disguise all their men as medics or they'd send shitloads of medics in front with the regulars just behind...
"Oh my gots! I'm not allowed to shoot the medic!!! I daren't shoot incase I hit one!"

Please. Don't be naive. Shooting a medic gets you executed. Yeah, what a load of bollocks that'd be if it ever came down to it.

[Ash]

That's the logic of a computer. Cold, harsh, emotionless. There's no compassion in that talk whatsoever.

While I might kill a medic, being in a war means my objective is to destroy the enemy. And from my own personal perspective, the medic is an enemy medic.


I sure as hell wouldn't, in civilian life, go around slaughtering thousands who were wheelchair-bound, had down's or some other debilitating disorder...the idea is sick. It might be economically sound, but it's morally disgusting!

[Shuya-Lee]

well yea its a human life.

but why would you kill a medic. yea its the enemies medic but he is just tryin to save lives. thats what your trying to say about not killing the disabled.

you have just become a hypocrit

no offence man but your arguing yourself there.

[MSpencer]

May look weird since some posts were moved rather than just locking the topic. No more discussion of Nazism in this topic, instead, the posts that were here are now in a topic called Nazis in the House of Parliament.

Also, impersonating a non-combatant is a war crime, so impersonating a medic or a doctor, or a member of the Red Cross is a war crime.

Please. Don't be naive. Shooting a medic gets you executed. Yeah, what a load of bollocks that'd be if it ever came down to it.

It doesn't specifically refer to that situation. It refers to the fact that most officers in combat conditions (Company commander and higher) have the authority to convene a court martial. A battalion commanding officer may pass down a death sentence if I recall correctly. Battalion or regiment, doesn't matter really. Still, pretty low level commands...

[Allied General]

That's the logic of a computer. Cold, harsh, emotionless. There's no compassion in that talk whatsoever.

While I might kill a medic, being in a war means my objective is to destroy the enemy. And from my own personal perspective, the medic is an enemy medic.


I sure as hell wouldn't, in civilian life, go around slaughtering thousands who were wheelchair-bound, had down's or some other debilitating disorder...the idea is sick. It might be economically sound, but it's morally disgusting!

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oh the double standards and hyprocisy of ash displayed to all try to play the decent side, u don't seek it out on purpose and so what if its a enemy medic u r a pawn in a political game and since its war it doesn't give u the right to violate human rights but it within the context hence why i may not like it i would use torture if the matters were extreme enough like national security.

that is cold harsh reality not shooting a medic ash.

Edited by Allied General, 23 November 2005 - 07:33 PM.

[Ash]

Hahaha, don't patronise my own code of morals and then say shit like: "I'd kill disabled people who've done nothing wrong" or "I'd be more than happy to torture people in certain circumstances". That's equally hypocritical as any words I might come out with.

The difference is, in the scenario in which I would shoot the medic, we are in a war zone. He's wearing enemy colours, and he shipped out to this God-forsaken battlefield with the enemy, ergo he is the enemy.
If he had been just another soldier (say, the downed soldier's brother) who was running out to just assist his comrade/brother, and drag him back to the dug-out, and I had killed him, I'd have been hailed as a hero by my fellow soldiers. Just because he's not carrying an assault rifle and holds a first-aid kit instead (which I might not be able to see so clearly) suddenly makes me a fucking war criminal! For all I know this medic guy's about to pick up the soldier's gun and have a pop at me! Or he's going to wrap a band-aid around wherever I hit him (might just be a flesh wound for all I know), and the first guy's gonna get up again.
In a battle situation, the first thing a soldier is taught is not to hesitate. If you hesitate, there's a much greater chance you get popped first. So in this scenario, I'm going to shoot first and look at the insignia on his fucking helmet later when we're clearing bodies. Kill or be killed. For all I know he's not just gonna pull that sidearm out, or a grenade from his kit.

Just because impersonating a medic is a war crime doesn't mean nobody on their side is going to do it. The geneva conventions are all well and good...so long as everybody follows them. And I ain't gonna take the chance and trust that they are. After all, they're the enemy. Why should I trust them?

But the disabled guy? What the FUCK did he ever do to anybody?

Edited by Comrade Jerkov, 23 November 2005 - 08:04 PM.

[Samael]

That's assuming you'd ever know it was me. Let's face it, if this is a battlefield, there are LOTS of bullets zinging around everywhere. Who's to say I didn't see that he was a medic, and thought it was a guy running to protect his mate while the medic arrive?

Who's to say I wasn't aiming for the guy behind and just happened to pop him instead?

Look, if armies had any sense at all, they'd either disguise all their men as medics or they'd send shitloads of medics in front with the regulars just behind...
"Oh my gots! I'm not allowed to shoot the medic!!! I daren't shoot incase I hit one!"

Please. Don't be naive. Shooting a medic gets you executed. Yeah, what a load of bollocks that'd be if it ever came down to it.

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Yes that is true. Has anyone seen a factal WW2 movie well if you did watch how the Allied soldiers move when being fired upon, they have to shoot and duck and hope they killed the fucking Nazi. You don't know if you killed a armed Nazi or a medic you just hope you kill someone.

[Linkal]

Now I'm going to answer the one with the radio...
I'd sneak up behind him, grab him and get my squad interrpreter over there. Then, I'd have him yell at him in whatever language the captee spoke to lie to the troops on the radio and tell them we were coming from or going to a completely differant location.

[Shuya-Lee]

bet it was an american movie, and not all battles were like D-Day

Pegasus Bridge was a highly tatical operation used in operation overlord. and i bet the medics were spared

[Linkal]

That's assuming you'd ever know it was me. Let's face it, if this is a battlefield, there are LOTS of bullets zinging around everywhere. Who's to say I didn't see that he was a medic, and thought it was a guy running to protect his mate while the medic arrive?

Who's to say I wasn't aiming for the guy behind and just happened to pop him instead?

Look, if armies had any sense at all, they'd either disguise all their men as medics or they'd send shitloads of medics in front with the regulars just behind...
"Oh my gots! I'm not allowed to shoot the medic!!! I daren't shoot incase I hit one!"

Please. Don't be naive. Shooting a medic gets you executed. Yeah, what a load of bollocks that'd be if it ever came down to it.

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I don't think medics will be rushing your position =P


Yes that is true. Has anyone seen a factal WW2 movie well if you did watch how the Allied soldiers move when being fired upon, they have to shoot and duck and hope they killed the fucking Nazi. You don't know if you killed a armed Nazi or a medic you just hope you kill someone.

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[link.the.first]

Medic scenario:

In a big open area with no big war around us, just me, theguy I shot, and teh medic, I would hold them at gupoint from behind cover and tell tehm to get out of there ASAP and leave the rifle. In a heavy firefight, I would shoot to make sure the medic couldn't restore their combat ability anytime soon. Take a bullet to the arm and I don't think a medic can fix it enough to let you shoot someone again. After he is disabled, let the medic tend to him unless he grabs a gun and starts shooting at me. As far as I'm concerned, the idea of a war is to incapacitate teh enemy whether it means killing them or not.

Sniper:

Kill him. Silently. He is taking out my buddies, after all. Then get up to him and use teh sniper rifle against his buddies.

Radio:

If possible, jump him from behind and hit him on the head. Or just avoid him. If he tries to report me, shoot him. If he has to push the button to talk, shoot him through the hand. Or let him report me, bail out, set up a few diversions out there, then use a different entrance.

[MSpencer]

A sniper rifle is often compared to a laser. It's very complicated not so much in its workings, but in its quirks which take some time and skill to learn. Give a man a sniper rifle and he'll be next to useless, but train this man with this sniper rifle, and he'll be a deadly marksman.