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[Pyth]

This is where you post various stuff related to your technology. What caliber of gu ndo your tanks use? What kind of computers? Et cetera. This is also where you post blueprints fir custom technology. THIS IS ALL OOC REFERENCE. NO INFORMATION ON THIS THREAD IS KNOWN ICLY OR IT IS AN UTTER GODMOD.

To begin, any suggestions for building a massive flagship for NAS?

Edited by crave22, 09 June 2006 - 03:44 AM.

[Cossack]

This is a good idea for a thread, the diplomacy formum is getting clogged with all the nations new weaponry and advamcements.

[Pyth]

OK, tell me if this is possible!

NAS FLAGSHIP

The NAS Flagship is a massive warship, largest ever built by any NAS member. It is a feat of engineering, intended to be as powerfu las humanly possible. It is intended to rule the seas, enforcing the will of NAS far and wide aross the oceans.

tHe Flagship is 984 meters long, 298 meters wide, and has a draft of 28.5 metres. The vessel displaces 2,850,000 tons fully loaded and has a range limited only by crew endurance. Twelve months of siupplies are carried, without replenishment. The Flagship is trimaran.

The Flagship carries an armour belt comprising multiple layers of reinforced Titanium VA and protective Ballistic Composite, over top of a layer of condensed horizontal Titanium Carbide rods which can effectively break up projectiles. Three layers of heat-resistant ceramic, heat treated lining, and insulation provide some protectio nagainst high-yeid/temprature explosives that may harm the FLagship. Multiple sensor pads inside the armor make damage control very effective. Several ‘cover’ layers with limited RCS reducing properties are carried primarily for ease of maintenance, along with copious amounts of ERA spread across the upper hull.

A honeycomb network of reinforced lattices and various beams et cetera has been installed throughout the ship to provide structural support to the various guns and armor. A displaced keel is set high in the central hull for added structural integrity and protection against torpedoes. The framework is made from titanium, and possesses significant strength and durability, as well as rather high resistance to damage and fatigue. This system spreads recoil energy throuhout the system, helping absorb it so as to prevent the ship from tipping into the sea when firing it's main guns in enourmous salvos.

The Flagship carries two flight decks on it's outer hulls. These can take 180 fully armed and ready aircraft of most types due to hangars (yes, HANGARS) inside these hulls. One is in each outer hul land a larger one runs through the center of the ship.

The most famous weapons of thew ship are it's five turrets of "Terrorbringer" 755mm main guns. These are utter hell to whatever they hit. In reality, they are ineffective in anything but shore bombardment or against larger capital ships. In total, there are 4 guns per turret. These can elevate from -3 to 32 degrees, can be aimed individually, and lob shells 120km. However, the firing rate is one shell per minute.

That's all for now... and yes, I did take the DOujin';s stats and heavily modify them. It's mostly for the stats like calibers.

[Ash]

A Nimitz-class carrier can only carry eighty planes. And it's a dedicated carrier.

An Iowa-class Battleship's biggest weapons were 300mm. So you have a gun-barrel twice that width and then some.

This vessel is three times bigger than either of those.

In theory, it's probably feasible, especially given its trimaran design. I would take the total cost of a Nimitz, the total cost of an Iowa, add about twenty percent to cover inflation and further computerised costs, add the two together, and then triple it. Then you'd be somewhere around your golden figure.

Belka and the AU combined couldn't build this craft, I expect. Though I'll let Spence and Crave be the judges of that.

And then there's the time taken to build the damn thing. If you started building it IRL, right now, today, it wouldn't be finished until...ooh, 2013, probably.

[chemical ali]

Pyth I have doubts that it would float and the power it would require would be tremendous, ever heard of the Swedish ship the Vasa? It was the most fearsome warship but it sank when it was launched.

[crave22]

It actually could float assuming it had the proper design features. But, as Ash pointed out, this thing will be a royal bitch to fund, field, and everything else.

It is feasable. But it is not by any means worth it.

[Ash]

All any normal Admiral would do would be launch a swarm of fighter-bombers and swiss-cheese it with antiship missiles. Hell, with this baby, you could probably get away with throwing B-52s at it! You can't miss!

Better to use a regular battleship or a carrier as your flagship. I use my Scinfaxi-class in most of my fleets as the flagship.

[MSpencer]

Try 2050. And the use of synthetic materials would up the price to over 1 trillion dollars with all the weaponry and aircraft. Oh, and did I mention that the crew would be about 17,000, and then aviators, and you'd need a constant convoy of vessels to provide supplies? It's like a flying aircraft carrier, not feasible.

[Pyth]

Ok... so this one's dead... but... How big do you suggest I go?

[Ash]

For a flagship which is a carrier? The size of a Prince of Wales or Nimitz class.
For a battleship/battlecruiser type? Not much bigger than an Iowa class.


While that ship probably WOULD be doable, it would kill the economy and would end up being pretty much useless in a war. There's no way you could make that thing go over 1/4mph, and it's so big it's the easiest target in the world for aircraft, submarines and everything. Besides, with a ship that size, what do you think the enemy are going to target first? I know I'd be bombing the living fuck out of it, if only to demoralise the NAS, who'd think it was unsinkable, and to show them their trillion-dollar investment was a complete waste of time

[Pyth]

So in effect... Big ships are crap. Gotcha. So my Battleships are already just a SLIGHT bit longer and wider than an Iowa, and my carriers are SLIGHTLY longer and wider than a Nimitz... Here, what I was looking for was massically a massive battlecarrir. DOable or not?

[Ash]

Not unless it's a joint project between ALL nations. Which isn't gonna happen. It'd destroy economies.

[Pyth]

Well, "massive" meaning like 1.2 times Iowa length.

Edited by Pyth, 11 June 2006 - 04:50 PM.

[Pyth]

Anyone going to help me here?

[Cossack]

Soory Pyth, i don't know much about military either

Im thinking of buffing up my anti-air defenses here are some ideas:

Destroyer stationary anti-air turret:


Defendor II mobile anti-air turret:


These are large clunky yet highly advanced radar guided anti-air missiles with large range. They are meant to shoot down large bombers.

There's also this turret better for shooting down smaller aircaft.

Edited by Cossack, 11 June 2006 - 05:50 PM.

[chemical ali]

They seem fine, ideal for shooting down U2's as I remember and alien space ships.

OOC: I had an airfix version of the Defendor II.

[Cossack]

OOC: what's airfix? and yes, they are russian models in reality.

[chemical ali]

OOC: Airfix is like little plastic scale models.

[Cossack]

oh

[US Airways]

OK, this is a much toned-down verson of the flagship-

It would be about 330 m long, and the runway about 100m.
The blue line is the waterline, the cross-hatched squares are lifts, and the runway is pretty self explanitory. There are no catapults, as the only aircraft which can operate are these V/STOL Transports, which may be later converted to be able to minesweep, launch torpedoes, or be SAR capable. The Battlecarrier can only carry 6 at one time.
The guns, 346mm mains, and 65mm AA guns. It also is equipped with 4 MU90/IMPACT anti-submarine/ Spearfish Anti-Sub/Surface torpedo tubes.
So- Realistic or not? It seems feasable to me, especially only employing a small number (1-3).

Edited by US Airways, 12 June 2006 - 08:58 PM.