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#1 duke_Qa

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Posted 05 July 2006 - 06:37 PM

last week or so, Hamas and a majority of the palestinians finally agreed on alot of stuff, including a partial recognition of Israel(well at least Israel as it was before the 6daywar in 1967). naturally a few of the more radical and fanatic militants did not agree on this and probably thought that kidnapping a few Israelis should mess things up. they managed to capture a soldier, and have since kept him somewhere. if he is alive or not is not known, but it has been said in the news that he is still alive because they don't want to kill him out of religious reasons.

anyway, as soon as this guy got kidnapped, the military started this major escalation, arresting around 40-60 people from the Hamas government, blew up the palestinian internal affairs building, blew up the only powerplant on the Gaza strip which brings electricity to Gaza, where you have 1.3m Palestinians living. in my eyes and in alot of journalists eyes aswell, Israel has been waiting for weeks for a good excuse to start taking out the Hamas infrastructure, since apparently the economic sanctions are not working fast enough. the ironic part is that they did this right after the leaders of Palestine started getting on term with alot of the stuff that they've asked of them aswell. for me it just says "dude, we don't want peace, we just want them to kill each other and try to fight us so we can get their land".

http://news.bbc.co.u...ast/5124152.stm

no side in this conflict is innocent, but these last actions from Israel could have been done in many different ways, and it looks more and more to me that there is one side who wants instability and chaos more than the other...

Edited by duke_Qa, 05 July 2006 - 11:26 PM.

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Posted 05 July 2006 - 09:42 PM

Course, they know if they have a good enough excuse the world will turn a blind eye to them bombing the Palestinians to hell. Right now they're taking out things that I really don't see how it would help them find the missing soldier in any way. They wan't Hamas to do something drastic so they have an excuse for a full scale war.
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Posted 05 July 2006 - 11:35 PM

Manipulation to create the perfect situation for war, to create the perfect situation for an excuse to begin the next phase of centralisation and radicalisation within the states of the west. Israel is just a tool for this, i wish the people of israel could see this but they are distracted just like us to the "story." The constant "story" of the news. We are told what is happening... this is not always the truth the media is just a story or visions as next part of the tale.

Israel is not going the right way, neither is palastine, but its obvious what will happen next, or in the near future because its most likely already planned.

We'll see what happens...

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 01:32 AM

Course, they know if they have a good enough excuse the world will turn a blind eye to them bombing the Palestinians to hell. Right now they're taking out things that I really don't see how it would help them find the missing soldier in any way. They wan't Hamas to do something drastic so they have an excuse for a full scale war.


The missing soldier was already beheaded. Just for the record. I think this also sums the situation quite nicely.
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Posted 06 July 2006 - 04:16 AM

Well, just read Israel has moved some armour into it's old settlements and appears to be preparing to reoccupy Gaza... why do I have a really bad feeling about this?
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Posted 06 July 2006 - 04:26 AM

Well, just read Israel has moved some armour into it's old settlements and appears to be preparing to reoccupy Gaza... why do I have a really bad feeling about this?


Because you should. Israel just found a (not so) legitimate excuse to reoccupy the strip. They're not going to let this chance of acquisition of the strip slip by quietly. They've been waiting, and with their new excuse they will stop at nothing to secure Gaza for themselves.

It's just another day in Israel/Gaza, though, when you think about it...

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 10:43 AM

Because this could be the beginning of WWIII and the new world order could really come into existance here.

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 11:28 AM

The missing soldier was already beheaded. Just for the record. I think this also sums the situation quite nicely.


thats more or less speculation, if you got evidence i would like to see that naturally :santah: . and that drawing is not the most neutral one i've ever seen. naturally you can interpret the lion pouncing for the suicide bomber as a overkill, but still they are stereotyping every palestinian as a suicide bomber with that belt on the guy more or less.

anyway, the latest i heard is that they've given back a bit on the demands, its now 100 imprisoned women and 30 men who have been imprisoned for 20 years or so. no comment from Israel on that as of yet, but i bet they want to wreak some more havoc before they are done in Gaza...

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 11:54 AM

If you ask me, Israel and Palestine should just flip coins for Gaza, and go "Best two out of three, best three out of five, best four out of seven," etc.


They'll get further than if they keep going the way they are. And at least nobody's dying that way.


Morons. Neither country deserves the land. It should become a separate sovreign state. Or a DMZ.

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 01:28 PM

:santah: Very good solution, Paradox you will end all global conflicts and disputes.

The whole problem with Israel comes down to "Should the Jewish people have a homeland even though this would force the Palestinians out?"

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 01:59 PM

Israel has every right to occupy the strip at this point. Palestine isn't a recognized nation, and now they've gone too far with abducting and killing people like the insurgency in Iraq. When Arafat died, they promised peace. That has not happened, and as a result, they should lose their land. You don't jab a tiger with a pin and expect it to be patient.
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Posted 06 July 2006 - 02:00 PM

Israel has every right to occupy the strip at this point. Palestine isn't a recognized nation, and now they've gone too far with abducting and killing people like the insurgency in Iraq. When Arafat died, they promised peace. That has not happened, and as a result, they should lose their land. You don't jab a tiger with a pin and expect it to be patient.


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Posted 06 July 2006 - 03:13 PM

Israel has every right to occupy the strip at this point. Palestine isn't a recognized nation, and now they've gone too far with abducting and killing people like the insurgency in Iraq. When Arafat died, they promised peace. That has not happened, and as a result, they should lose their land. You don't jab a tiger with a pin and expect it to be patient.

so you need your papers to be in order for you to have human rights?

compared to the insurgency in Iraq, the Palestinian actions are drops in the sea. besides, it seems that the Israelis prefer that the Palestinians attacks and kidnaps civillians instead of military personell. what would you prefer, an enemy that attacks military targets or civilian targets? Israel likes it when they attack civillians because that gives them sympathy from the west. As soon as the palestinians start attacking/kidnapping military personell, they get a counterattack alot more powerful than they normally get when someone blows up 10 Israeli civillians...


on the topic of Hamas: they have been passive until the last few weeks, following their ceasefire agreement that have been in action for two years(and they didnt return fire until the Israeli army moved into the Gaza strip so you can't say that it was they who started).
if some other radical palestinians have been doing some minor bad stuff you can't really blame the rest for their idiocy. its like if i said that the US should be warred upon because there are White supremasists killing people that they don't like over there. would you like to be killed by some military power because of some white supremasist down south did something that you personally believe is bullshit?

(naturally its a bit suspicious that Hamas claims to have the hostage now, although it didnt seem to have been them who captured him in the first place.)

another good article on the topic of whats happening over there. its not like i'm saying Palestinians are completely innocent, but they are the weaker part in this tragedy.

http://news.bbc.co.u...ast/5151718.stm

on another subtopic; if the Palestinians had the same size of their army as the Israelis, would the Israelis be building settlements, walls and bulldozing the homes of Palestinians in their way? most likely not.

by the way, i think it was a good move of Israel to move the settlements out of the Gaza strip last year. although its a small place, i believe that helped out a bit on the conflict.

maps over Israel/palestine

notice how that fence construction flows into the west bank? its kinda interesting that they can't keep their walls on the border, but have to eat up a few pieces of fertile land while they are in the neighbourhood.

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 07:31 PM

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Sigh, if they just were like Scandinavians...
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Posted 06 July 2006 - 08:19 PM

hehe, true. except everyone should know the post office closes around 4.



short summary of this day:
-20 palestinians killed, 47 wounded, civillian/guerilla/government forces ratio is not known.
-1 israeli soldier killed.
-palestinian interior minister requests the governments security forces to engage against the Israeli forces.
-Gilad Shalit, father of the kidnapped soldier begs Israeli government to give the palestinians what they are demanding.
-Ismail Haniyeh, prime minister for Palestine, calls the Israeli offensive a "collective punishment", with the intent of re-occupying Gaza and putting the Palestinian people into a state of panic(seems unlikely to me that they would like to re-occupy the place, but who knows.).

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Posted 07 July 2006 - 12:12 AM

Its pathetic israel has caused as much destruction to palastine and murdered many innocent civilians than the palastinans.

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Posted 12 July 2006 - 11:03 PM

The shit has hit the fan, Israel has invaded Lebonon.

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Posted 12 July 2006 - 11:13 PM

this keeps on getting better now doesnt it?

(BBC) Hezbollah militants from Lebanon kidnaps 2 Israelis soldiers, Israel invades Lebanon.
(wikinews) Israel: "Entering southern Lebanon to search for Israeli soldiers"

well, things keeps on going down. i can understand that Israel attacks a group of people when they come from a different country, but if they've gone another way in Gaza this would most likely never have happened...

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Posted 13 July 2006 - 09:43 PM

Care to back that theory up?
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Posted 13 July 2006 - 09:50 PM

Think we can all say goodbye to the middle east, btw ComradeJ you owe me a quid (sees if he remembers) :p j/k




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