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#1
Posted 11 November 2006 - 05:39 PM
It was more work than expected since the Necrons were quiet problematic because of their many specials. There were also lots of new and complex abilities and behaviours to code for units like the Drone harbinger, Tomb Spyder or Monolith. Since Relic destroyed the entire unit strength system in DC we had to create a new one from scratch. This took a lot of time and was extremly annoying .
A quick example why the unit strength in DC is messed up:
3 Necron warriors => ~400 unit strength
8 Necron warriors => ~2500 unit strength
Very interesting results...
#3
Posted 11 November 2006 - 08:49 PM
However now I am getting aware that testing for Dark Crusade might take longer than it was for Winter Assault, simply because of the presence of two new races to test. I'll start by testing each races separately and see if it functions properly, probably 2 Vs 2 or 3 Vs 3 matches of the same race would do it, with replays then I would see four or five, or more ways the race can operate in a single match. That should speed up things at least for me. All testers have their own way to test of course. But I'll do it that way to begin with.
I'll get to it as soon as I download it.
Edited by Zenoth, 11 November 2006 - 08:50 PM.
#4
Posted 11 November 2006 - 10:38 PM
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#6
Posted 12 November 2006 - 01:27 AM
Yes, this was definitely an unnecessary complication...The are sooo stupid. Instead off fixing obvious shortcomings they introduced more problems.
On the brighter sight, they fixed the GetBases routine better than expected. The new vehicle and building repair system is also very nice.
At the moment, I think the biggest problem is the missing summoning/teleport ability of the necron warriors. It's more important than all their other abilities together because of their slow speed. I really hope that they fix that with a patch.
#9
Posted 12 November 2006 - 06:05 AM
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Posted 12 November 2006 - 10:06 AM
At the moment, I think the biggest problem is the missing summoning/teleport ability of the necron warriors. It's more important than all their other abilities together because of their slow speed. I really hope that they fix that with a patch.
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#12
Posted 12 November 2006 - 03:27 PM
I chatted internally with Relic about these "extension abilities" and perhaps in future DC patches they will be unlocked for AI confgurability. Regardless.. they are a bonus.. Not showstoppers for us.
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#13
Posted 12 November 2006 - 09:29 PM
Summary
This is a 2v2v2v2. I am IG with an IG ally, vs teams of Tau, Chaos, and Necrons, on Harder difficulty, on Penal Colony.
I knew I was in for a loss when Tau spawned beside me. IG infantry just get destroyed by Tau as is displayed in this replay. I tried to go for vehicles but constant harassment and a failed attempt to save my ally inevitably spelled doom. I did get a basilisk which held off the Tau for quite some time, but the Chaos team paid a visit with an outstanding dual predator push that had already slaughtered my hapless ally. From then on it's a 2v2 Tau vs Chaos vehiclefest. I am amazed how fast the Tau got Hammerheads and I look forward to improving that even more with a Hammerhead rush script in the late future.
There's only two things I can point out. First off, the Tau kept tried to cap my points while getting shot at or while being next to my dudes.
Second, after I die, there's a fight in the middle near a critical point. There's a vespid squad that just kinda flails around in a tight area for some time while reinforcing, even though they're losing ground to the Chaos forces.
To add onto that, I am not sure how the Necrons died so fast, as I only saw a pack of scarabs in the entire game, but it might be worth checking out to see how to better improve their rush defenses.
The IG rightfully went to vehicles, but the turret he built was at his expansion. If that turret had been in his main base, he would have probably lasted considerably longer.
This replay is titled Malkor200pwn. It stands for Malkor's replay of 2.00 beta 1, pwn.
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#15
Posted 12 November 2006 - 10:04 PM
AI_Log.txt
AI1006 23:44 CpuManager: Starting AI Think AI1006 23:44 CpuManager: Update strategies... AI1006 23:44 Attackplan: Update... AI1006 23:44 ResourcePlan: Update... AI1006 23:44 BuildPlan: Update... AI1006 23:44 CapturePlan: Update... AI1006 23:44 CapturePlan: Update... AI1006 23:44 BuildBuildingPlan: Update... AI1006 23:44 BuildBuildingPlan: Update... AI1006 23:44 CpuManager: Update tactics...
Warnings.txt
13:49:30.39 GAME -- Local player (Loladin, 0) finished loading (24c4eb73) (72 seconds) 13:49:32.96 GAME -- Starting mission... 14:04:55.26 SimulationController::GenerateSyncCmd - couldn't send all commands, 1 binned 14:10:23.56 SimulationController::GenerateSyncCmd - couldn't send all commands, 1 binned 14:11:28.82 SimulationController::GenerateSyncCmd - couldn't send all commands, 5 binned 14:12:25.56 SimulationController::GenerateSyncCmd - couldn't send all commands, 1 binned 14:13:16.37 SimulationController::GenerateSyncCmd - couldn't send all commands, 3 binned 14:13:23.79 SimulationController::GenerateSyncCmd - couldn't send all commands, 2 binned 14:13:31.26 SimulationController::GenerateSyncCmd - couldn't send all commands, 1 binned 14:13:35.25 GAME -- SimulationController::Pause 0
I was attacking an Ork base when it occured, using orbital bombardment and stuff. Here's the replay.
This was also on Harder. 2Xsm (including me) vs 2orks, 2necrons, and 2chaos.
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#16
Posted 12 November 2006 - 11:01 PM
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#17
Posted 12 November 2006 - 11:14 PM
edit: Holy shit, IG are sooo aggressive with basilisks. I tried absolutely everything I could to get rid of this IG in this FFA, from backdooring him with turrets and predators to using a land raider as a battering ram and spamming orbital bombardment in his base. He just would not die. Then Eldar showed up and mutilated my base,and I gave up. Now it's a final stand eldar vs orks vs IG.... absolutely epic.
Edited by Malkor, 12 November 2006 - 11:54 PM.
#18
Posted 12 November 2006 - 11:55 PM
#20
Posted 13 November 2006 - 12:27 AM
Got AI Fatal Error as well.
On Testing Grounds, 3 Necrons (I was one of them) against Chaos, and two Orks. The Difficulty was set at Hard, no Resources Sharing, game type Annihilation.
It happened just a few minutes in early game.
-Warning-
18:59:35.79 GAME -- Local player (Zenoth, 0) finished loading (24c4eb73) (41 seconds) 18:59:38.12 GAME -- Starting mission... 19:15:42.12 GAME -- SimulationController::Pause 0 19:16:18.10 GAME -- SimulationController::Pause 1 19:16:18.92 GAME -- SimulationController::Pause 1 19:16:30.59 SimulationController::GenerateSyncCmd - couldn't send all commands, 5 binned 19:16:35.50 GAME -- SimulationController::Pause 0 19:16:40.84 APP -- Game Stop 19:16:40.84 GAME -- SimulationController::Pause 1 19:16:40.84 GAME -- Ending mission (Abort)
I think the three last lines is me quiting the game after seeing the error.
-AI Log-
1002 16:20 CpuManager: Starting AI Think AI1002 16:20 CpuManager: Update strategies... AI1002 16:20 BuildBuildingPlan: Update... AI1002 16:20 BuildPlan: Update... AI1002 16:20 BuildPlan: Update... AI1002 16:20 ResourcePlan: Update... AI1002 16:20 BuildBuildingPlan: Update... AI1002 16:20 BuildPlan: Update... AI1002 16:20 CpuManager: Update tactics... AI1002 16:20 CpuManager: End AI Think
I'm not sure why but if I had to take a guess, I'd say there's something up with the Necrons.
Malkor, did it happen in any of your test where no Necrons are present ?
I'll try to make sure of that guess myself. I might be wrong but ...
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