12 replies to this topic

[patric20878]

How funny. I get suspended since allied general apparently doesn't know how to not abuse admin powers. And then i have all my posts deleted. How very suspicious.

[Phil]

If you want to complain about an admin, some additional information might be a good idea. I, for example, have no idea of the backgrounds to what happened.

[Beowulf]

I'm going to venture a guess and say that all of your posts were either rubbish or flames.

[Jeeves]

Please read this, this, and this before posting ***** in RA2 editing.
Searched trash but couldn't find anything to restore. If you read the above links, and can give me something for which to further search, I shall. However, if you think you're being smart and going over AG's head here, you should know he's probably been moderating longer than you've been talking ****, and wouldn't be an administrator there if he didn't have comprehensive support from the remainder of Revora.

Nobody's picking on you, and treat others with respect, post sensibly, and don't flame, and they won't begin to either.

[patric20878]

Well you obviously haven't read much of my posts either. Tell me then, why did every single one of my posts get deleted? Including the one in the think tank, the one about communism, suggestions about this tank model, my introduction, which all were not spam? None of the posts that I remember were complete spam. Some of the questions I asked are ones that are not findable on the net, and so I asked here. And must you state the obvious? It doesn't take much thought to know that AG has been moderating longer here than I have talked trash here, since i don't talk trash.

You say that people should treat others with respect, but one of the first things I notice when I join here, is that I get flamed about 3-4 different people. Such hypocrisy. Including AG, one of revora's supported staff, as you say. I have never seen a forum where even the staff stoop so low as to flame members like the noobs on HTM along with other members. I also find it hard to imagine that AG, a staff member, can't even clearly speak the point across half the time, which is pretty annoying for a supposed role model of the future members here. I even made it clear that I searched more than half this forum, and several hundred or so pages on google in these years. I have not asked a question that requires that I include code as well, as none of them are about debugging some faulty code that i could figure out myself, as I have always done the 6 or so years before i joined any ra2 forum. I don't bump or double post, or any of that noob stuff, unlike how several new members have done. Btw, funny that this forum didn't even have that rule when i joined, based on the thought that it's common sense, which obviously isn't for many people.

I have also read these links that you gave me, though you may not think I did, since you apparently assume things negative things about me as well. Even the major staff member there at HTM, Yangster, who was at HTM for several years, does not automatically treat every person who joins as if he/she was a noob or spammer. He actually gives lots of warnings and infractions, rather than suspending someone for no reason at all besides disliking them, and deleting all their posts. And I know very well what it is like spamming at HTM, even accidentally. It earned me an infraction for 2 weeks some years ago. I very well know to not be lazy and ask noob questions anywhere, which generally doesn't help anyways. It's not like me, or any senior member at HTM, to start spamming in some other forum because there's no Yangster there.

I expected to be impressed by this forum. Truthfully, I was impressed. However, I was not impressed by the positive things here. No. Instead, I was "impressed" by the same percentage of leechers of the total number of members, compared to HTM. I was "impressed" that revora seems about at active as HTM, or even less, despite the fact that it has 6000 more members. I was "impressed" how there aren't even some of the basic necessary rules here at revora. I was "impressed" how some of the first replies to me was flaming, since things are apparently just assumed for newcomers, stereotypes applied to all newcomers. Most of all, I am "impressed" how even some staff do these things, yet have not learn from these mistakes, instead, merely continuing to do it, which is very evident in my case. No. I am not impressed at all. I am extremely disappointed, despite my original wish when I first joined to not be.

Edited by patric20878, 22 April 2008 - 06:57 PM.

[Beowulf]

If you don't like it here, go the fuck away. You won't be missed.

[Mastermind]

I expected to be impressed by this forum. Truthfully, I was impressed. However, I was not impressed by the positive things here. No. Instead, I was "impressed" by the same percentage of leechers of the total number of members, compared to HTM. I was "impressed" that revora seems about at active as HTM, or even less, despite the fact that it has 6000 more members. I was "impressed" how there aren't even some of the basic necessary rules here at revora. I was "impressed" how some of the first replies to me was flaming, since things are apparently just assumed for newcomers, stereotypes applied to all newcomers. Most of all, I am "impressed" how even some staff do these things, yet have not learn from these mistakes, instead, merely continuing to do it, which is very evident in my case. No. I am not impressed at all. I am extremely disappointed, despite my original wish when I first joined to not be.

I'm sorry that we don't run our internet forum exactly the way you think it should be run. I'm glad for the feedback, but it seems that Revora just might not be the place for you. However, you will notice a suspicious lack of any information in your initial post accusing AG of abuse of his powers. As such, it's rather normal for people to be skeptical of such claims. As far as I can see, the only person overreacting in this topic is you. Good day sir.

[Allied General]

So because your a new member you expect to be treated like a king for asking idiotic questons which I answered but you persist on asking like "where can I think a veteran symbol which already exists in a widely know free source programme" to .. "hi i like modding but I'm too lazy to think of ideas, please spoon feed me" attitude.

Several other modders, not including myself, found you annoying at best and just encouraging unseccary flame, spam generation, so I warned you and reset your post count.

I apologise if I deleted all your other "meaningful" posts in other topics, (that should have been discussed at board level but I was unaware at the time as I've only been a admin for a few months but I have done my fair share forum wise to contribute to the guild at least for proper modders) and that was not my intention but suspension over arrogance, inciting flames against far more experienced modders was justified in my opinion.

However I will not apologise over my so called "flames"

Like I've said in pinned topics GET OVER IT

We don't care, what you did or who you are, only how you conduct yourself. Its a zero tolerance policy which I intend to enforce as divisional admin.

Also I could have banned you forever along with IP block if I really wanted to "abuse" my powers so get over it.

Finally we don't care about HTM, just like how you use to participate on CNC den which most modders know is infested with spammy, tibed users.

Also like I said before, I only flame due to overwhelming stupidity (its never a personal attack), being polite with people who don't understand when they are pissing off people isn't good.

http://forums.revora...showtopic=59589 > read it, deal with it.

Finally there ae enough forums which have zero moderation and encourage active spamming so please go there.

[Mastermind]

Would someone link to HTM is for me? I've never heard of it, and it sounds like a cool, hip, interesting place to be.

[Phil]

The thing that disturbs me is that in your first post, there is no information to support your complaint. In the second post we get a few hints at what happened, followed by about 4 times the amount of text how evil AG is and how cool it is at HTM.
Maybe if you posted information instead of whining, we would be able to help you. If this topic is supposed to be a real complaint, that is. If it was just meant for whining in the first place then we can't help anyway.

[Allied General]

So just to confirm

- I was wrong for deleting all your posts outside of ra2/yr modding forum (in future when new posters which whine and complain I will just delete posts and then I will inform admins why I suspended)

However I suspended you, deleted your posts because

- encourage spam, flaming, stupidity, laziness (spoon feed with mod ideas or please make something which is easy to do but I can't be bothered to check it out)
- posts did not contribute because either 1) well known knowledge 2) simplying asking questions, bumping

I do not apologise over my flaming because this is how revora treats idiotic posters, you can look at many generals/ra2/yr modifications and you will see same general response to idiotic questions, insults, laziness. For example:

It's not. You'll have to wait another TEN YEARS for it to be completed.

Uh, do you wanna fuck off?

Lemme guess. You two are the SAME person. Any more crap and you WILL be banned. No warn, no funny business leniency. Take my word you wont get another warning about this...

Paradox is Network Staff by the way and I fully endorse his response. Also I physically assault you or steal your account details? I think not.

Finally we don't care who you are or what forums you visit especially if your waving them like some banner.

Also my tough attitude on laziness, stupidity is needed because there was a lot of dead material building up in RA2 section i.e. inactive mods, useless clutter hiding downlodable content and so forth. I have done my best to ensure a more modder friendly enviroment by reducing the amount of spam, useless comments which are so common on other modding forums.

Praticially all members agreed, it needed a cleaning up and thats what I have done.

[patric20878]

If you don't like it here, go the fuck away. You won't be missed.

Lol. So that's the attitude of this forum. You plan on just having the same people to talk to everyday here? I'm probably one of the few who isn't a noob. Go look at the amount of leechers. Look at how many people out of the next 500 joiners will actually attempt to follow to rules. I don't leech, don't bump/double post, actually read the rules (and noticed that there aren't any double post/bumping rule AT ALL), and don't ask idiotic questions that encourage spoonfeeding. Because i've searched the forums already, and lots more on search engines. The questions i asked were not findable in the tutorials. What, I'm just going to flutter around here doing nothing just because i can't ask something that i can't find the answer to? How about someone threatening to shoot you if you can't find 60 pots of gold in the next hour?

So because your a new member you expect to be treated like a king for asking idiotic questons which I answered but you persist on asking like "where can I think a veteran symbol which already exists in a widely know free source programme" to .. "hi i like modding but I'm too lazy to think of ideas, please spoon feed me" attitude.

Seriously. You still don't notice how you assume things about me, do you. Is it hard to understand? I think not. I didn't expect to be treated like a king. I was treated like someone had grudges on me. You answered things that you may know, but i don't, because this is the first cnc forum i joined. Wow. You really can't consider the fact that different people know different things? What if i don't know the widely known? Does it look like to you that you have tutorials here that explain them? I also have thought of many ideas. Just that they were already in mods. What, that automatically means i stole it from them? If you think this is being lazy, then you obviously haven't noticed that i told you many times that i've searched extensively.

Several other modders, not including myself, found you annoying at best and just encouraging unseccary flame, spam generation, so I warned you and reset your post count.

I apologise if I deleted all your other "meaningful" posts in other topics, (that should have been discussed at board level but I was unaware at the time as I've only been a admin for a few months but I have done my fair share forum wise to contribute to the guild at least for proper modders) and that was not my intention but suspension over arrogance, inciting flames against far more experienced modders was justified in my opinion.

Wow. lmfao. I make a topic that i intentioned to have no spam or flaming. And so it's my fault that you people, who obviously need to civilize a bit more, start spamming flames at me. Such hypocrisy. Experienced members get to flame me, but i can't even defend myself without having my own posts marked as flames. You think 2 wrongs make a right? What world do you live in? Does it look like to you that police talk shit to criminals, reason being that the criminal did a crime? Do you think i would have "flamed" anyone if i wasn't completely appalled by the amount of people here who can't debate in a civilized manner? If you think that your flaming is justified because of any reason, you're going as low as those spammers. And you're breaking the rules yourself. Don't start making exceptions just because you're an admin now. I am amazed that you actually justify your flaming, even though you yourself just mentioned the "zero tolerance policy." Hypocritical. Why not actually learn how to debate without flaming, like most of the people in HTM have learn to do?

- encourage spam, flaming, stupidity, laziness (spoon feed with mod ideas or please make something which is easy to do but I can't be bothered to check it out)
- posts did not contribute because either 1) well known knowledge 2) simplying asking questions, bumping

I have checked this forum and several pages of search engines out. Actually, not checked. It's searched, and extensively also. Need i repeat myself multiple times?
I am supposed to know what's well known knowledge here, when there's over 500000 posts here? There's no pinned topic on the well known knowledge either. Maybe if there was such topics, i could actually read them, thus eliminating the need to ask questions. When have i bumped?


To all who say my first post had no evidence:
What evidence can i show, when AG deleted all my posts? Not like i save all my posts to a text file.

Edited by patric20878, 23 April 2008 - 10:24 AM.

[Phil]

Amazing. I didn't even know some people had enough time to spend on writing so much in an internet forum.

However, the past is past and there's no way to prove either of you two right or wrong, which is why we'll end the matter here. AG won't erase posts anymore so in future we'll be able to see for ourselves what was so evil and what wasn't. Now the both of you can go on with your business and forget what happened.

Just to make this clear: Whoever continues this whining debate faces punishment from now on.