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[Cossack]

ITS OFFICIAL: THE REPUBLICAN TICKET HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED:

McCain/MILF '08

Thats right, McCain has made his pick, and its Sarah Palin.

Though I previously thought that Palin would be one of McCains best picks, after it actually happened and I started thinking more about it, Ive realized that she is a much bigger risk than I realized.

She has only had 20 months of experience in an office higher than that of the mayor of a town of 9000 people. With McCain's age, do you really want someone with zero time on any national stage to be a heartbeat away from controlling the worlds largest military and nuclear arsenal....If people actually think about that, I think it will scare them. Not to mention McCain can real no longer attack Obama for lack of experience.

Another thing this pick may do is actually piss off Hillary Clinton supporters. They know Palin was deffinately not the most qualified candidate for the vice presidency, and they know that the only reason McCain picked her was because of her sex. This idea goes against what Hillary stands for, and I think it will encourage Hillary to campaign even more agressively for Obama.

Compared to Hillary, who actually worked her ass off to "crack the glass ceiling" for women in america, Sarah Palin will look like just a pretty face picked to gain some easy votes.

Not to mention she supports abstinence only education, while her 17 year old daughter gets pregnant...I read a joke somewhere that they should name the baby "Wrapya Johnson"

She has now hired a layer with state money to defend her against accusations that she got a her brother-in-law fired after he divorced her sister.

All this controversy is really taking away the whole appeal of the first woman vice president.

I didn't actually see her big speech last night, so I wont comment on it, but I heard she was a pretty vicious attack dog.

Maybe its just my bias talking that`s changed my mind about Palin, but either way I hope this backfires for McCain.

[CIL]

The woman scares me. I don't want people being taught creationism and anti-Darwinism. Some kids are Atheists and the dumbshit Republicans fail to see that. I don't have to worry about it since I'm out of high school in a year or two, and legislation that implemented teaching of creationism would be hard to get through the system.

I agree with everything that you said. Hillary did work her ass off. You know what? When she was younger, she called NASA and asked how she could be an astronaut. And do you want to know what their response was? If not, too bad. Their response was essentially something like "women can't be astronauts." And people like Hillary, who worked their asses off... working... in numerous, predominately male fields, look at what stupid lameass Palin does and has under her belt: a neo-con, creationist nutso political stance, a beauty queen nomination, and hardly over 2 years of political experience. What an experienced and great lady...

Edited by Crazy Intellectual Liberal, 05 September 2008 - 03:47 AM.

[adummy]

Some kids are Atheists and the dumbshit Republicans fail to see that.

The same argument can be used on Democrats and creationism believing kids. Either the parents choose what their child learns, or they are both taught if you want to be fair.

I don't have to worry about it since I'm out of high school in a year or two

not in an Arizona school district at the age of 15

[Mordor Slayer]

If McCain wins with that running mate, then America will blown it's reputation into tiny bits and every single European country will hate them. Well, those are my feelings .

[Alias]

If McCain wins with that running mate, then America will blown it's reputation into tiny bits and every single European country will hate them. Well, those are my feelings .

It's already succeeded at that.

[Hostile]

Since when do Americans care what europeans think? Really? Europeans have a loooooooooooooong history of making bad descisions. Don't give them that much credit. The reason America succeeds is because it's not europe.

Europe has had 65 years to rearm against the russians since WWII, instead they spend thier money on socialist programs and wonder why they have a deflated military.

If europeans think we are fucking up, at least we're not afraid of being invaded by russians. If Germany alone built up a large military it would be a deterant. yet they don't. It's always Americas fault the world is messed up as well as it's Americas job to protect europe from the russians.

Enough is enough. Europe build a fucking decent unified army and there won't be much need for US intervention. Fight your own military struggles and stop having double standards.

One day you plead for US help, the next day you call us cowboys. No double standards, one will do.

[Phil]

Europeans have a loooooooooooooong history of making bad descisions.

That's all too true.

The reason America succeeds is because it's not europe.

Could you please explain in what way the US are succeeding at the moment? I think they're pretty fucked up at the moment, a superpower on the steady decline of its power.

Europe has had 65 years to rearm against the russians since WWII, instead they spend thier money on socialist programs and wonder why they have a deflated military.

Not quite. They might spend money on social (not socialist, that's quite a difference) programs, but they're quite right doing so. There is no need to rearm against the Russians, the Cold War has been over for almost two decades. Also they don't really wonder about the alleged weakness of their military. Have you ever considered that might be intentional?

If europeans think we are fucking up, at least we're not afraid of being invaded by russians. If Germany alone built up a large military it would be a deterant. yet they don't. It's always Americas fault the world is messed up as well as it's Americas job to protect europe from the russians.

See above, the Cold War is over. Also, Germany has its reasons not to become too much of a military superpower anymore.

Enough is enough. Europe build a fucking decent unified army and there won't be much need for US intervention. Fight your own military struggles and stop having double standards.

Yes, of course the US has only ever entered war because Europe called for it. I'll grant you that US (or NATO) military interventions like in Ex-Yugoslavia were appreciated, but don't depict is as you're the innocent good guys who always have to help the weak Europeans. That's even worse than saying that the Americans are all evil and Europe is the pure, white angel.

One day you plead for US help, the next day you call us cowboys. No double standards, one will do.

Yeah well, there is a small difference between bringing down an aggressive nation that violates the sovereignty of other nations (read: invades them) and being this aggressive nation itself.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there is a just war and an unjust one, but there can be a significant difference of roles in that war.

[Vortigern]

First, it's 63 years that we've been failing at making a half-decent unified society.

Some kids are Atheists and the dumbshit Republicans fail to see that.

The same argument can be used on Democrats and creationism believing kids. Either the parents choose what their child learns, or they are both taught if you want to be fair.

Second, I think the time is right to quote a certain Mr Bobby Henderson, creator of Pastafarianism:

"I think we can all look forward to the time when these three theories are given equal time in our science classrooms across the country, and eventually the world; One third time for Intelligent Design, one third time for Flying Spaghetti Monsterism, and one third time for logical conjecture based on overwhelming observable evidence."

Deal with it. Evolution happens. It has been observed and recorded in motion, so all those creationists out there can do whatever the fuck they want to themselves as long as they don't try and shove it down everyone else's throats.

Also, Hostile, Europeans have a long history of making bad decisions. We also have a long history of making good decisions. You have a short history of both, because you haven't been around half as long.

There is no need for US intervention in Europe, full stop. Most of Europe would be quite happy to see the USA pull everything out and keep it in their own country. It's the international equivalent of rape. Keep it in your pants, America.

Oh, and the main reason you're not frightened of invasion by Russia is the.... What's it called? Ocean? Oh yeah, that big blue wet thing that makes invading America pretty much impossible from everywhere except Canada and Mexico. Yet still your government is ridiculously paranoid and has created not one, but two, departments to deal with it.

By the way, Europe doesn't need a decent unified army. Europe doesn't need an army at all.

The reason America succeeds is because you have huge natural resources, an uninvadeable country, and a large population. Not being Europe only means America has an artificial culture of stolen sports and flannel shirts.

[Ash]

Since when do Americans care what europeans think? Really? Europeans have a loooooooooooooong history of making bad descisions. Don't give them that much credit. The reason America succeeds is because it's not europe.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA...AHAHA...AHAH...HA....ahhhh...

Europe has had 65 years to rearm against the russians since WWII, instead they spend thier money on socialist programs and wonder why they have a deflated military.

Socialist? Excuse me?

And, let's be honest, there are more important things in the world than militaries. Do you disagree?

Enough is enough. Europe build a fucking decent unified army and there won't be much need for US intervention. Fight your own military struggles and stop having double standards.

One day you plead for US help, the next day you call us cowboys. No double standards, one will do.

The fuck is military to do with anything?

You've failed to do anything like answer the point of McCain or anything.

America succeeds not because of its politicians, but in spite of them. Look at American elections. They're a complete fucking farce. It's all about who can kiss the most babies on live TV and who can pay the most $50 to members of the public to stand there clapping, waving an American flag and wearing a hat with the name of their chosen candidate while they give an overblown speech telling absolutely nothing about anything useful for the nation.

I grant you, the British election system is little better, but we get it over and done with in a couple of months, and with a fucklot less money wasted on it all.

[m@tt]

Wow Hostile... where did that come from? You're answering questions nobody asked in this topic... when did anyone here say all the world's problems are because of America?

Since when do Americans care what europeans think? Really? Europeans have a loooooooooooooong history of making bad descisions. Don't give them that much credit. The reason America succeeds is because it's not europe.

What? Europe, the one that's been around for several thousand years, has made more mistakes than the few hundreds years old America? Didn't know that...

And the UK has a decent army, probably the best trained in the world, though I can't say anything about other European armies. AFAIK, Germany has sanctions on its military, or at least did. Plus I don't think Russia is stupid enough to invade any of the non-former-Soviet states.

Also, Hostile, Europeans have a long history of making bad decisions. We also have a long history of making good decisions. You have a short history of both, because you haven't been around half as long.

There is no need for US intervention in Europe, full stop. Most of Europe would be quite happy to see the USA pull everything out and keep it in their own country. It's the international equivalent of rape. Keep it in your pants, America.

Oh, and the main reason you're not frightened of invasion by Russia is the.... What's it called? Ocean? Oh yeah, that big blue wet thing that makes invading America pretty much impossible from everywhere except Canada and Mexico. Yet still your government is ridiculously paranoid and has created not one, but two, departments to deal with it.

By the way, Europe doesn't need a decent unified army. Europe doesn't need an army at all.

The reason America succeeds is because you have huge natural resources, an uninvadeable country, and a large population. Not being Europe only means America has an artificial culture of stolen sports and flannel shirts.

I'd agree with pretty much all of that. Btw Hostile, don't see this as a "USA sucks, UK rules" thing, there are a lot of things right and wrong in both country, personally I sick of the politics in our country, we need Labour out urgently but the next in line aren't much better.

[Spectre]

It's common for you folks to hate American's guts down to the very core right?

Don't give me that crap that you treat America fine, you British are just angry because you lost the 13 colonies.

Since you English call us Cowboys or Yankees all the time, I think Tea-sippers would be perfect for ya'll.

Edited by General Jenkins, 06 September 2008 - 01:48 AM.

[Rafv Nin IV]

Some kids are Atheists and the dumbshit Republicans fail to see that.

The same argument can be used on Democrats and creationism believing kids. Either the parents choose what their child learns, or they are both taught if you want to be fair.

There is such a thing as telling your children that they need to think for themselves. Impressing political and religious views on children is brainwashing, and murdering a mind is near as bad in my book as murdering a person.

Although I figure if everyone thought for themselves, religion wouldn't exist in a few years. Which'd be nice.

I'm rather annoyed that every single candidate HAS to make a big deal about being religious, or they won't get elected. Whatever happened to our secular state?

Edited by Ravnin IV, 06 September 2008 - 02:05 AM.

[lefthand]

Since when do Americans care what europeans think? Really?

When hasn't America cared what Europeans think? Constantly pandering to Eastern Europe for a missile defense, pandering to the West for another round of sanctions against Iran, pandering to get central European nations to fight in Iraq back in 2003 and etc.. To think America can stand alone against tyrannts, madmen and etc. is insane, expensive and unneeded. It is this "fuck the world" kind of attitude that is going to screw us over once India, China, Russia and etc. build up an alliance.

[Alias]

It's common for you folks to hate American's guts down to the very core right?

Guts? More like stupidity. Pointlessly waging wars is what makes you look bad, along with a plethora of other things like no public health system, a bad welfare system and your huge amount of public debt.

[Devon]

http://www.thedailys...lin-gender-card

[Hostile]

@m@t

Wow Hostile... where did that come from? You're answering questions nobody asked in this topic... when did anyone here say all the world's problems are because of America?

read two posts above my last post.

@ash

The fuck is military to do with anything?

A strong military is the number one deterrant to invasion. Like Ozzy Osbourne said "if that's the only thing that keeps the peace, than thank God for the bomb"

America succeeds not because of its politicians, but in spite of them. Look at American elections. They're a complete fucking farce. It's all about who can kiss the most babies on live TV and who can pay the most $50 to members of the public to stand there clapping, waving an American flag and wearing a hat with the name of their chosen candidate while they give an overblown speech telling absolutely nothing about anything useful for the nation.

I grant you, the British election system is little better, but we get it over and done with in a couple of months, and with a fucklot less money wasted on it all.

Elections are what they are. It's really no where near a farce as MANY nations are in the world. You know like when those incumbent tyrants who get 99% of the popular vote. Politics is politics, a lot of baby and ass kissing. I love McCains bold statement that if he is President that any pork barrel spending bill will not only be vetoed but those involved will be made "very popular" because he'll expose it. That's bold to me...

@Vort

There is no need for US intervention in Europe, full stop. Most of Europe would be quite happy to see the USA pull everything out and keep it in their own country. It's the international equivalent of rape. Keep it in your pants, America.

I think you might want to ask all the leaders of Europe how they feel about America taking their toys and going home. Are you talking about the leaders or the masses? The masses have little idea what the idea of deterrent is.

The reason why Russia doesn't steamroll Europe is ONLY because the US will punch them in the nose. A punch in the nose doesn't win a fight but it certainly wakes up the enemy. You know, mutually assured destruction.

Oh, and the main reason you're not frightened of invasion by Russia is the.... What's it called? Ocean? Oh yeah, that big blue wet thing that makes invading America pretty much impossible from everywhere except Canada and Mexico. Yet still your government is ridiculously paranoid and has created not one, but two, departments to deal with it.

By the way, Europe doesn't need a decent unified army. Europe doesn't need an army at all.

The reason America succeeds is because you have huge natural resources, an uninvadeable country, and a large population. Not being Europe only means America has an artificial culture of stolen sports and flannel shirts.

Russia and the US are only 53 miles apart. It's called the Bering Straight. It's only 30-50 meters deep.
http://en.wikipedia....i/Bering_Strait

And that so called wet thing you described like it was the first time anyone ever heard of it, oh yeah an ocean? Don't talk to me like I'm fucking stupid. Don't...

When you say Europe doesn't need any army, I'm dieing to know why no one has pointed out to this idealog how ridiculous this person is. Yeah imagine that, Europe and no army. The Russians would be calling it Europechik. If you speak Russian, you'll understand. It mean cute little Europe. Like you would call a child.

So you are telling me America has a larger population as well as larger natural resources.

In 2005 the population of Europe was estimated to be 728 million according to the United Nations, which is slightly more than one-ninth of the world's population.

Us Population: 303,824,640 (July 2008 est.)

I also understand not all of that populace is NATO friendly. Part of Russia is also in Europe.

You can dig up the rest of the facts and prove yourself wrong.

@DloTS

Could you please explain in what way the US are succeeding at the moment? I think they're pretty fucked up at the moment, a superpower on the steady decline of its power.

Americans put more emphasis on individual rights as well as open and free markets. Europe has been brainwashed into thinking big business is evil and must be destroyed. When it is actually the driving engine behind all the nice little homes you live in as well as your computer, internet, and gadgets. It's Americas dedication to capitalism that has made it the driving economical power in the world.

California alone is the worlds 5th largest economy in the world.

See above, the Cold War is over. Also, Germany has its reasons not to become too much of a military superpower anymore.

So you think the cold war is over, why don't you ask the Georgians and the Ukrainians how they feel about that. Ask Moldova or Azerbaijan if they think "there isn't gonna be another Russian expansion effort." Why not ask those nations "if they feel the Russians are a threat, this week...?"

[m@tt]

It's common for you folks to hate American's guts down to the very core right?

Don't give me that crap that you treat America fine, you British are just angry because you lost the 13 colonies.

Since you English call us Cowboys or Yankees all the time, I think Tea-sippers would be perfect for ya'll.

1. No-one hates "America's guts down to the very core". We dislike things about the US, their people, their politics etc, just as we dislike things about our our country, our people and our politics.

2. I'd struggle to find anyone who even knew we had 13 colonies, or even name them, let alone care about them. It happened several hundred years ago, no-one cares, no-one is angry.

3. I call American's Yank's parly because it rolls off the tongue better than Americans (less syllables), partly because I don't know



@ Hostile - those 2 posts said America doesn't have the best reputation, which is true - see point 1 above, not that all the world's problems are down to America.

[Ash]

The fuck is military to do with anything?

A strong military is the number one deterrant to invasion. Like Ozzy Osbourne said "if that's the only thing that keeps the peace, than thank God for the bomb"

And what does this particularly have to do with McCain? We don't need a humongous military and neither does the US. We like to try and do something called 'diplomacy' to resolve some issues.

Elections are what they are. It's really no where near a farce as MANY nations are in the world. You know like when those incumbent tyrants who get 99% of the popular vote. Politics is politics, a lot of baby and ass kissing. I love McCains bold statement that if he is President that any pork barrel spending bill will not only be vetoed but those involved will be made "very popular" because he'll expose it. That's bold to me...

And I shall bet at least four of my toes that he won't do a damn thing he claims, just like every other politician in the history of politics. And we're not talking about all those evil communo-fascist ogliarchies that are rampant across Europe ( ), or those godless unwashed heathen rag-heads who America above all else seeks to cleanse, we're talking about that idiot McCain and his ultra-conservative mistress running mate, and what he won't do to stop any of it.

There is no need for US intervention in Europe, full stop. Most of Europe would be quite happy to see the USA pull everything out and keep it in their own country. It's the international equivalent of rape. Keep it in your pants, America.

I think you might want to ask all the leaders of Europe how they feel about America taking their toys and going home. Are you talking about the leaders or the masses? The masses have little idea what the idea of deterrent is.

Uh, what?

The reason why Russia doesn't steamroll Europe is ONLY because the US will punch them in the nose. A punch in the nose doesn't win a fight but it certainly wakes up the enemy. You know, mutually assured destruction.

Bullshit. Europe has nuclear weapons of its own. And I agree that the cold war's over. Otherwise, why is Germany unified? Why do all those nations of Eastern Europe have their own governments? Oh, sorry, they're still commies and demons and dragons. Dragons are red, you know. Yeah. Think about it.

And that so called wet thing you described like it was the first time anyone ever heard of it, oh yeah an ocean? Don't talk to me like I'm fucking stupid. Don't...

Then don't act it.

When you say Europe doesn't need any army, I'm dieing to know why no one has pointed out to this idealog how ridiculous this person is. Yeah imagine that, Europe and no army. The Russians would be calling it Europechik. If you speak Russian, you'll understand. It mean cute little Europe. Like you would call a child.

While I don't agree Europe, or indeed any constituent nation, doesn't need an army (it wouldn't if nobody else had one), I don't agree either that it needs to spend as much on its defence that the US does.

So you are telling me America has a larger population as well as larger natural resources.

It certainly has more and more varied natural resources. And why might that be? It ain't sharing.

I also understand not all of that populace is NATO friendly. Part of Russia is also in Europe.

Then why didn't you do sums based on everything east of the Czech Republic?

A full conquest is impossible in this day and age.

Americans put more emphasis on individual rights as well as open and free markets. Europe has been brainwashed into thinking big business is evil and must be destroyed. When it is actually the driving engine behind all the nice little homes you live in as well as your computer, internet, and gadgets. It's Americas dedication to capitalism that has made it the driving economical power in the world.

Brainwashed? I ask you something. Have you ever been to anywhere in Europe?

And I fail to see where America's putting more emphasis into individual rights. And as for those free markets, oh, gee, look at the economy every once in a while.

So you think the cold war is over, why don't you ask the Georgians and the Ukrainians how they feel about that. Ask Moldova or Azerbaijan if they think "there isn't gonna be another Russian expansion effort." Why not ask those nations "if they feel the Russians are a threat, this week...?"

Regional border disputes isn't quite the Cold War, Hostile. that's what we in the UK would describe as describing a molehill to sound like a mountain. Also, I don't think big red buttons have come into those equasions. I also haven't heard that Georgia or Ukrainian have actually been invaded. I've heard more that a certain sector of Georgia wanted to cecede from Georgia or be absorbed into Russia. I grant you I would hate to see Russia get away with stuff the way Nazi Germany did, but I sincerely doubt it's even coming within the same hemisphere of that league.

[Vortigern]

Thank you, Ash, for taking the time to explain to Hostile the many ways in which he is being a dipshit.

Russia and the US are only 53 miles apart. It's called the Bering Straight. It's only 30-50 meters deep.

I would just like to point out, in addition to Ash's points, that the Bering Strait, while technically a useable crossing, is on the far side of the Ural Mountains, Siberia and a fuckload of the Arctic Circle from the part of Russia which actually has more than 30 people within a hundred miles of each other. I don't mean to overuse this word, but PARANOIA. Russia will never be able to invade anywhere across the Arctic Circle. Nobody will. The water is approximately 4 degrees celsius, and it doesn't say how cold the air temperature is, but I'm willing to bet it'll be well below freezing.

Oh, and another point on that, it says on that Wikipedia page that the Strait goes as deep as 91 metres. If you're going to give me references, read them properly beforehand.

Besides, I wasn't talking about Russia specifically when I said America has oceans on either side. I was talking about Europe, China, Japan, India, Africa. Do you have any understanding of the logistical difficulties of a campaign across 3000 miles of sea? If not, let me give you a brief summary. Fucking impossible.

It's common for you folks to hate American's guts down to the very core right?

Don't give me that crap that you treat America fine, you British are just angry because you lost the 13 colonies.

Since you English call us Cowboys or Yankees all the time, I think Tea-sippers would be perfect for ya'll.

We don't hate Americans because they're Americans. We dislike on principle those who support ridiculous policies such as teaching creationism in Biology lessons instead of as a mythological fable in Religious Education, or illegalising abortion. How can you be in favour of individual freedoms when you deny women the right to decide whether a simple mistake will cost them their livelihoods and their social life and forever change everything they do? (That's a general 'you', by the way.)

The French call us 'Les Rosbifs'. We call them Frogs. We call you Yanks. You call yourself Yanks. You even have sports teams of some description called the Yankees and the Cowboys, so don't blame it on Europe. We haven't got a football team called the Birmingham Tea-Sippers. (Though if we did I would totally support them. ) Oh, that's real football, just so you know. The kind where the ball is moved around by someone's foot. I believe you call it 'soccer', or some such nonsense.

[Spectre]

It's common for you folks to hate American's guts down to the very core right?

Guts? More like stupidity. Pointlessly waging wars is what makes you look bad, along with a plethora of other things like no public health system, a bad welfare system and your huge amount of public debt.

I'd love to here one tiny spec of truth to making that come even close to be considered correct.

Also, Vort, I'd like to fix A few things you stupidly thought were true.

It's common for you folks to hate American's guts down to the very core right?

Don't give me that crap that you treat America fine, you British are just angry because you lost the 13 colonies.

Since you English call us Cowboys or Yankees all the time, I think Tea-sippers would be perfect for ya'll.

We don't hate Americans because they're Americans. We dislike on principle those who support ridiculous policies such as teaching creationism in Biology lessons instead of as a mythological fable in Religious Education, or illegalising abortion. How can you be in favour of individual freedoms when you deny women the right to decide whether a simple mistake will cost them their livelihoods and their social life and forever change everything they do? (That's a general 'you', by the way.)

Religion does it again, Mythology? None of it is real, but you goof-balls seem to believe and LOVE it.

And about the Womens rights part, wait what? Care to explain.

Oh, that's real football, just so you know. The kind where the ball is moved around by someone's foot. I believe you call it 'soccer', or some such nonsense

Soccer is a game originating from Mexico and Spain, you dumbass, when were we speaking of that?

Edited by General Jenkins, 06 September 2008 - 04:23 PM.