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[Spectre]

Why make this much fuss over a no-doubt SCAM E-Mail?

I see no point in doing it, just delete it and move on, god knows all of the scams are pure lies.

You're not serious are you?

Yes, I am, IRA? College fund account numbers? Bank account? Don't you think there's something alittle odd they want ALL that info? I think it's obvious they are trying to scam you out of every penny you own, and that's probably just half of it.

[Vortigern]

GJ, I think you've missed the point there. We all know it's a scam email. We just didn't feel the need to tell everyone how smart we were having realised this.

[Spectre]

GJ, I think you've missed the point there. We all know it's a scam email. We just didn't feel the need to tell everyone how smart we were having realised this.

I knew that.

Just trying to be an ass.

Edited by General Jenkins, 29 September 2008 - 12:00 AM.

[Mathijs]

Mission accomplished?

[Phil]

Money, LOL. Money is becoming worthless. What they gain is power. This isn't just America, its the whole west. I still find it ridiculous that people don't see the same legislation getting passed in all western countries and not ask questions. Everytime there is a crisis in our countries we only ever get more centralisation. Coincidence? We know from history that totalitarian states are formed out of exploiting crisis', whether made by those who gain power or just by circumstance.

You're quite right, however money is an important factor.
Money is one facet of power and has some considerable advantages over political influence and all the other facets: Money can be easily shifted across borders, money can be stored and conserved, money is internationally respected, etc. Money is not worthless, it's a precious piece in the whole puzzle.

Mission accomplished?

Haha, indeed.

[Tom]

At this moment in time. But the current imploding US economy will make money worthless. The entire western economy is resting on what congress does in the next few days. I'm glad they voted down the bailout bill but I wonder how long it is because the next one comes.

Take a look at how money is infact worthless. Its made of paper. The gold standard was removed (not that we could have it today anyway). But our central banks can print more money like its free and has no effect on us, basically because its worth nothing anyway. The entire system is fraudulent, people need to open their eyes.

I also find it funny how the failing US economy was predicted years ago by many people, whom at the time were called insane, and everyone is shocked. Morons. Capitalism allows people to prosper on saving, not spending. Wake up.

[Spectre]

Money = Trees

Here's your fucking Global Warming, envirmentalists.

Back on topic, Then what is the best form of government, Hybrid? Surely no government or market is perfect, but since Capitalism is fucking up, Communism failed years ago, Monarchy has been basicly trashed and "recreated", federalism was long since left, what else is their? Socialism? Chinese are catching on that it's not working.

Edited by General Jenkins, 01 October 2008 - 01:57 AM.

[Alias]

Perfect communism is and always will be the perfect governmental system, however by being humans, perfect communism is unattainable.

[Casen]

Perfect communism is and always will be the perfect governmental system, however by being humans, perfect communism is unattainable.

Even if communism worked, I would disapprove of it. Shocking? It seems most people who disapprove of Communism sau that in theory it's good just that it won't work.

I propose that it's a bad system in fantasy, too. It doesn't weed out the week and leads to decadence, degradation of culture, and P.C. garbage. Capitalism leads to the former two.

Meritocracy is the most intelligent system. I'd like to see a rebuttal to that.

Edited by Kacen, 01 October 2008 - 02:48 AM.

[Spectre]

Perfect communism is and always will be the perfect governmental system, however by being humans, perfect communism is unattainable.

Silly, Communism has its flaws, democracy has its flaws, meritocracy have its flaws. There is no perfect government, there is only the best, and that is hard to choose, for many governments can show the same view skin deep but all of them have their differences.

Edited by General Jenkins, 01 October 2008 - 04:04 AM.

[Tom]

Theres no such thing as Perfect, get over it. I prefer liberty. Let people live and control their own lives. Go back to the basis of the American constitution. Restore the republic. Liberty is a unifying philosophy. When people fight for Liberty they fight for each other, when people fight for anything else it only creates more corruption or leads to more corruption.

[Copaman]

Perfect communism is and always will be the perfect governmental system, however by being humans, perfect communism is unattainable.

Silly, Communism has its flaws, democracy has its flaws, meritocracy have its flaws. There is no perfect government, there is only the best, and that is hard to choose, for many governments can show the same view skin deep but all of them have their differences.

Well no shit, GJ. Alias brings up a completely valid point - think about Communism at its PUREST form possible anywhere. Communism run by God, we'll say, even though God (and religion in general) is taken out of the picture completely when a state is communistic. Everyone would be 100% equal and everyone would have the exact same amount of money.

How was this big economic shitcan opened up? The big wigs on Wall St. and (I Bet,) a good number of people in the Senate and the House got power/money hungry. CORRUPTION KILLS GOVERNMENTS. Literally and figuratively.

Therefore, using the above two points, it can be said that a world comprised of purely Communistic states would have prevented the current economic dilemma. And the first Great Depression. And all of the wars ever fought. And all of the revolutions ever begun etc. etc. the list goes on.

My Point (And, more or less, Alias'): HUMAN NATURE is the reason behind EVERY government's problems. To claim that the concepts behind the governing system are flawed is nearly preposterous. In concept, every government would work perfectly in its purest form.

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To continue the economic debate:

Anybody realize that the CEOs of these companies were payed untold millions of dollars to run their companies into the ground? And now we wanna give them a second chance to run their company into the ground while they make untold millions of dollars? Ridiculous...

Free Market Economy (Oh, Hey, isn't that in that document thingy written by those old guys a long time ago? What was that called? The Constitution? I've never heard of it...) would have those guys recycled back into the working class and new companies given their chance to learn from Fannie Mae's, Freddie Mac's, AIG's, Enron's, etc mistakes. So why are we trying to cure capitalism and free market economy with socialism?

How long will it take before the middle class feels the squeeze of this economic crisis, with fuel being so outrageously expensive and Wall St. hitting the fan? We already are. How long will it take for the upper crust of society to feel this (CEO's of tanked companies included)? SOOOOOOOoooOOOooOOOOoo much longer.

So, you might say, the bill which failed might have helped the average American. But how much of that 700 Billion would have made its way to the citizen and how much would have winded up back in the pockets of the retarded CEOs? An amount that was waaaaayyyyyy unproportionately in favor of the CEOs. They're the ones who have the hundreds of millions of dollars to live off of - this economic failure really doesn't affect them other than they won't be making 40someodd Million a year anymore. Too Fucking Bad for them.

I'm pissed off at America. Thanks for fucking my generation over royally. And don't even get me started about how screwed we are if McCain OR Obama gets elected.

Have at it.

[Tom]

Stop pointing fingers of blame. We've allowed this to happen ourselves. Whilst we were living comfortably we never gave a shit about the rest of the world or did anything to make it better, now our time has come. Maybe now we can see our real "enemy." No they were not in Iraq or Afghanistan or Russia. They were always in our own backyard.

Any of you Obamites, remember that the republicans run Diebold and the voting machines. Also remember a famous quote from Stalin, "those who vote decide nothing; those who count the votes decide everything." It makes no difference if you vote Obama or Mccain, you are going to get more of the same. Listen to your REAL politicians, all the third party politicians; and people like Dennis Kuninich and Ron Paul. Open your eyes to the fact our governments have been hijacked and we've allowed them to run wild for years.

Government is to serve the people, not private groups. The collapse of the banking system is the opportunity for this world to change for the better. Either we start changing it or we allow them to take the world into their own hands.