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[Phoenix Rising]

After getting mixed reports on what is and isn't lag - high-end systems that experience lag and low-end systems that don't - I think it's critical to define this "lag" in order for us to fix it. How do you define lag? Well, with numbers of course.

I'd like everyone who's willing to participate to download FRAPS and find some kind of a timer that can measure seconds. From a fresh boot/restart, load FRAPS and minimize it, then prepare to launch an unmodified copy of PR v1.1 (also make sure there's nothing in the Scripts or XML folders under Empire at War Forces of Corruption\Data\ and close any unnecessary background/tray applications that may launch with Windows). Get ready to record the following tests:

• Menu load time - this is the time from when you first double-click the PR icon to when the space battle first appears. Once it loads, go to Options>Video>Advanced, hit the Auto Detect button, and hit the Accept button. Again for the standard settings, hit the Auto Detect button, hit Apply, and hit Yes. This will scale the graphics settings according to your machine. Write down the resolution and hit Accept.
• Core Worlds load time - go to Single Player>Galactic Conquest, click Core Worlds, and select Galactic Empire as the faction. Leave the other settings alone. This is the time from when you press the Start button to when the campaign dialog pops up.
• Core Worlds frame rate - the view should be centered on Coruscant to start with - don't pan it. Record the frame rate that FRAPS is showing in the top left corner of the screen while running the game in normal time. Exit to the menu.
• Menu battle frame rate - I put this last so you got a chance to reset your graphics settings without worrying about the outcome of the battle (in which the Empire won't respawn for some reason). The frame rate will vary based on what the camera is focusing on, so you'll need to watch it for a while and record both the low and high marks. These should occur at a really wide shot and a really tight shot respectively for everyone. Stop once the Empire starts losing destroyers.

Now come back to this thread and report your findings and system specs and answer a short survey (also, try not to use this thread for extraneous comments). Please use this format:

• CPU - including the manufacturer, model (if possible), number of cores, clock speed per core, L2 cache size (if possible), and FSB speed (if possible). If it's overclocked, use the speed it runs at.
• Mobo. - including FSB speed (if possible).
• GPU - including the manufacturer, model, amount of graphics memory, and type of memory (if possible).
• RAM - including the total amount and type of memory (if possible).
• OS - including the brand and version.
• Res. - this is the resolution and refresh rate the game ran at when you did Auto Detect. Please also indicate if this is native for your monitor.

• Menu load time
• Core Worlds load time
• Core Worlds frame rate
• Menu battle frame rate

• Load time rating - your assessment of the load times on a scale of 1 to 5, where 1 is awful and 5 is excellent.
• Tactical mode rating - your assessment of the performance only of tactical mode on a scale of 1 to 5, where 1 is awful and 5 is excellent.
• Galactic mode rating - your assessment of the performance only of galactic mode on a scale of 1 to 5, where 1 is awful and 5 is excellent.

Thanks for your assistance in improving the performance of PR!

Edited by Phoenix Rising, 07 January 2009 - 01:14 AM.

[Phoenix Rising]

I'll go first:

• CPU - Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.0 GHz (2 cores @ 3.0 GHz apiece), 1333 MHz FSB, 6 MB L2 cache
• Mobo. - 1333 MHz FSB
• GPU - 2 x Radeon HD 3870 512 MB GDDR3 in CrossFire
• RAM - 2 x 2 GB DDR2
• OS - Windows XP Pro SP2 32-bit
• Res. - 1440 x 900 @ 60 Hz (native)

• Menu load time - 1:25
• Core Worlds load time - 1:12
• Core Worlds frame rate - 9 FPS
• Menu battle frame rate - 25-230 FPS

• Load time rating - 5
• Tactical mode rating - 5
• Galactic mode rating - 3

Edited by Phoenix Rising, 07 January 2009 - 01:14 AM.

[Tropical Bob]

CPU: AMD Turion 64 x2 Mobile Technology TL-62 Tyler, dual-core 2.1GHz, 1600 MHz FSB, 512KB L2 cache per core, 64KB L1 D-cache per core, 64KB L1 I-cache per core
MoBo: NVIDIA nForce 520, 1GHz HT
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce 8400M GS (256MB dedicated, 1952 MB total)
RAM: 4GB (2 x 2GB DDR2)
Page file: 1666MB used, 6417MB available
OS: Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit (6.0, Build 6001)
Res: 1024 x 768 @ 60 Hz

Menu load time: 1:18.3
Core Worlds load time: 2:19.3
Core Worlds frame rate: 6 FPS
Menu battle frame rate: 14-93 FPS

Load time rating: 4.5
Tactical mode rating: 4.5
Galactic mode rating: 2.5

I suppose lowering my resolution might help with galactic...But it just looks so ugly that low, after seeing everything in 1440x900 for so long...

Edited by Tropical Bob, 08 January 2009 - 05:49 AM.

[hetter71]

CPU: Intel P4 single core 3.06GHz
GPU: NVidia GeForce FX 5200 256MB DDR
RAM: 2.5GB DDR2 (2x256MB, 2x1GB)
OS: Windows XP Home Edition SP2
Res: 1024x768 (60Hz)/also tested at 1680x1050 (60Hz)

Menu Load Time: 3:20
Core Worlds Load Time: 3:02/3:10
Core Worlds Frame Rate: 4/4
Menu Battle Frame Rate: 8-29 (Eyeball average in the low-mid teens)/10-34 (Eyeball average in the mid-high teens) (I dunno why...but that's what Fraps showed!)

Load Time Rating: 2
Tactical Mode Rating: 3
Galactic Mode Rating: 1.5

[Kitkun]

I've run this through four times now, so I have four sets of numbers:

First set is the auto-detect settings on a normal boot-up. (The ones I'd use to compare.)
Second is my settings on a normal boot-up. (Since auto-detect is so radically different from what I use.)
Third is my settings on an optimized boot-up. (Aggressively disabling all services and processes I could.)
Fourth is auto-detect on the optimized boot-up. (Lol parantheses.)

Specs:

• CPU - Intel Core 2 Duo 3.0 GHz (Two Cores at 3.0 GHz, 6MB L2 Cache, 1333FSB)
• GPU - nVidia GeForce 8800 GT 512MB
• RAM - 4x1GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz
• HDD - 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache
• OS - Windows Vista Home Premium 32-bit SP1
• Vid. Settings - Auto-detect: 1280x1024 at 60 Hz, AA at second lowest level, Detail Level Max, VSync Off
• Vid. Settings - My settings: 1680x1050 at 60 Hz, AA at highest, Detail Level Max, VSync On
• Motherboard - Supports FSB 1333 with Intel X38 Chipset

• Menu loading time - 0:31, 0:30, 0:29, 0:27
• Core Worlds load time - 1:08, 1:16, 1:07, 1:06
• Core Worlds frame rate - 8-10, 9, 9-10, 8-10
• Menu battle frame rate - 25-250, 25-63, 25-61, 29-300

• Load time rating - 5
• Tactical mode rating - 5
• Galactic mode rating - 2.5

Edited by Kitkun, 19 January 2009 - 03:50 AM.

[coinich]

CPU: Intel® Core™2 Duo CPU 8600 @ 2.40GHz (2 CPUs)
L2 Cache: 3MB 1066MT/s
Page File: ~5GB usable
GPU: Intel GMA 4500 MHD (up to 384MB) (dxdiag says up to 1GB)
RAM: 4GB DDR3 (2x 2GB)
OS: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 32bit
RES: 1024x768 @60Hz but switching to 1280x800 gave better framerate

Menu Load Time: 1 minute 32 seconds
Movie FPS: 10-75fps
Core World Load Time: 1 minute 32 seconds
Core World FPS: 7-9fps

Load Time Rating: 5
Tactical Mode Rating: 4.5 (my own comp's limitations)
Galactic Mode Rating: 3 (runs the same way 1.0 did on my old comp, so I can't complain)

The game is only slightly modded; the space cap was raised to 150, another XML was created but not referenced anywhere, so it shouldn't be loaded, and one comment was placed in one other file.

Edited by coinich, 07 January 2009 - 01:18 AM.

[Hirken]

-CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 @ 2.66 GHz each, L2 Cache 4MB.
-Motherboard: 1333 FSB, I believe.
-GPU: NVIDIA 8800GTS 320MB
-RAM: 2x1GB, 2x2GB both DDR2. Only 3.25GB usable , but I had the extra lying around, so why not?
-OS: Windows XP Professional SP3 32-bit Version 2002
-Resolution: 1440 x 900 @ 60 Hz. Close to native, I run it at 75Hz normally.

-Menu Load Time: 0:52
-Core Worlds Load Time: 1:25
-Core Worlds FPS: 8
-Main Menu Battle FPS: 20-175

-Load Rating: 5
-Tactical Rating: 5
-Galactic Rating: 2 (I know it's harsh, but it's unplayable for my tastes, although Shadow Hand and Thrawn Campaign are fine.)

[TheEmpire]

CPU - Intel Pentium 4, 3.0GHZ
Mobo. - Not sure. Goldfish
GPU - Nivida 6200
RAM - 2 GB
OS - Windows XP Pro SP2 32-bit



Menu load time - 5 minutes
Core Worlds load time - 5 minutes
Core Worlds frame rate - 7 FPS
Menu battle frame rate - Not sure have to check


Load time rating - 2
Tactical mode rating - 4.5 (Some crashs here and there)
Galactic mode rating - 3

Edited by TheEmpire, 17 January 2009 - 04:16 PM.

[thirdworld]

Hope this helps. Sorry I was so slow getting it up for you. :(

CPU: Pentium IV 3.0 GHZ L1: 16kb L2: 1MB
MOBO: Intel DG965RY @ 800MHZ FSB
GPU: Saphire ATI 2600XT Core 800MHZ 256MB @ 1100MHZ
RAM: 1GBx2 + 512MBx2 TOTAL 3GBDDR2
HD:WD1001FALS-00J7B0 7200rpm 32MB Cache combined (dual cache & processor)
OS: XP Pro SP3 32bit
Resolution: 1440 x 900 60Hz Yes Native (I run lower under playing conditions)

Menu: 2:40
Core: 2:30
Core FR: 4
Menu FR: 11-26

Load time: 4
Tactical:5
Galactic: 2 (crashes on occasion)

[feld]

Sorry it's so late. Bit of confusion on my motherboard. Will update if I get new info. Hope it helps!

• CPU - Intel Core2 Duo T9300 (two cores at 2.50 GHz per core ), 6Mb L2 cache size, and 8 MT/s (think that's FSB speed)
• Mobo. - I *think* that the MoBo is the same as the GPU: Mobile Intel 965 Express chipset. Haven't found a reference to the FSB yet.
• GPU - Mobile Intel 965 Express (384 MB graphics memory, GPU processor 2493 MHz)
• RAM - 3 GB *looks* like 667 MHz memory modules
• OS - Windows XP Tablet PC Edition Version 2002 Service Pack 3
• Res. - 1024 x 768 @ 60 Hz (this is a native resolution)

• Menu load time = 1:46
• Core Worlds load time = 1:19
• Core Worlds frame rate = 7 -8 fps
• Menu battle frame rate = 12 - 45 fps

• Load time rating - 4
• Tactical mode rating - 5
• Galactic mode rating - 4

Edited by feld, 19 January 2009 - 03:29 AM.

[coinich]

Ever play with the stylus and PR? Its kinda fun sometimes...

[feld]

Ever play with the stylus and PR? Its kinda fun sometimes...

Haven't tried...I'll give it a shot.

[Invadious]

Here is my system:

GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD 3850 512MB GDDR3, @ 715MHz GPU Clock & 846MHz Memory Clock
CPU: Intel® Core™ i7 920 2.67GHz (8 CPUs) (D0), @ 3.4GHz (1,088Vcore)
RAM: OCZ Gold XTC 6134MB RAM DDR3 at 1360MHz 7-7-7-20
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 500GB (32MB Cache multi threaded)
Mobo: Asus P6T SE
OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit (Many features disabled for perfect stability)
Resolution: 1280x1024

In core worlds I get an average of 45FPS.
Main Menu Battle Screen I get an average of 166FPS.
Desktop to the Main Menu takes 26 seconds.
Main Menu to Core Worlds takes 11 seconds.

I might upgrade to RAID 0 with the WD Caviar Black in the near future so the times will be outdated and I will try it again

Edited by Invadious, 05 August 2009 - 04:42 PM.

[theone8181]

I havent played this mod for a while, and when i first tryed it i thought it wasnt working as it took so long to load. I should have read this thread first anyway heres my results.

This is with everything maxed out including AA, vsync is also on.



* CPU - phenom 2 940 @ 3.6ghz
* Mobo. - Asus M3N78 @ 200 fsb
* GPU - GTX 285 OCX
* RAM - 4Gb DDR 1066
* OS - Vista 64
* Res. - 1920 x 1200


1. Menu load time 32 seconds
2. Core Worlds load time 1 min 3 seconds
3. Core Worlds frame rate 9-11
4. Menu battle frame rate 30-60


1. Load time rating - 3
2. Tactical mode rating - 5
3. Galactic mode rating - 3

Hmm my in game fps does seem a little low tho. I just checked the auto detect and i dont think it works as it did 1280 x 1024 which is a joke for my card.

Edited by theone8181, 27 June 2009 - 08:27 AM.

[Invadious]

HyperThreading: On
Speedstep: Off
Turbo Mode: Off
C1E: Off

Startup Time:
Desktop to Menu - 20 Seconds
Menu to Core Worlds - 9 Seconds

Frames per Second:
Menu - 50 - 210, Average ~140 FPS
Core Worlds - 50 - 60, when zooming in and out allot ~35 FPS

System:
CPU - Core i7 920 D0 @ 3.4GHz (170x20)
GPU - ATi Radeon XFX HD 4850 512MB GDDR3 @ 675/1073
HDD - 2 x WD Caviar Black 500GB 32MB Cache in RAID 0 Short Stroked to 300GB (181.8 MB/s average transfer rate)
RAM - OCZ Gold XTC 1333MHz 6GB @ 7-7-7-20 1400MHz
Mobo. - Asus P6T SE
OS - Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit SP2

Settings:
Res. - 1920 x 1080
Other Settings - Everything maxed out.

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HyperThreading: Off
Speedstep: Off
Turbo Mode: Off
C1E: Off

Startup Time:
Desktop to Menu - 21 Seconds
Menu to Core Worlds - 9 Seconds

Frames per Second:
Menu - 50 - 210, Average ~140 FPS
Core Worlds - 56 - 60, when zooming in and out allot ~40 FPS

System:
CPU - Core i7 920 D0 @ 3.4GHz (170x20)
GPU - ATi Radeon XFX HD 4850 512MB GDDR3 @ 675/1073
HDD - 2 x WD Caviar Black 500GB 32MB Cache in RAID 0 Short Stroked to 300GB (181.8 MB/s average transfer rate)
RAM - OCZ Gold XTC 1333MHz 6GB @ 7-7-7-20 1400MHz
Mobo. - Asus P6T SE
OS - Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit SP2

Settings:
Res. - 1920 x 1080
Other Settings - Everything maxed out.

Edited by Invadious, 26 August 2009 - 12:37 AM.

[TopAce]

• CPU - AMD Phenom II X4 940 BE @ 3 000 MHz, 4 cores, L2 4x512 , 15x200.
• Mobo. - DFI LP DK 790FXB-M2RS
• GPU - EVGA GTX 295 2X 896 MB @ 576/999 MHZ GDDR 3
• RAM - 4 GB(2x2gb) Mushkin DDR2 PC2-6400 1000 MHz @ 800 MHz due for me being lazy to update bios to support 1000 mhz memory.
• OS - Windows XP Pro SP3
• Res. - 1280x1024 60 hz. (1680x1050 is native res) All settings at full with autodetect.

• Menu load time 59 secs, 52 secs, 50 secs. 1st, 2nd and 3rd start from desktop.
• Core Worlds load time 1 min 10 secs.
• Core Worlds frame rate Min, Max, Avg, 6, 9, 8.306
• Menu battle frame rate Min, Max, Avg, 18, 270, 58.458, with autodetect settings. Min, Max, Avg, 20, 277, 80.305, with native 1680 x 1050 res.

• Load time rating - 4. ( I dont mind load times if gameplay is smooth.)
• Tactical mode rating - 4
• Galactic mode rating - 2(Playable but the slowness is pain in the arse. And with ships normally taking up to 10 mins to build, the game performance is very low. IMHO performance should be improved if possible before adding any more neutral ships etc in to game.) (On a side note. Even GFFA lite is unplayable on my rig so i imagine normal version would blow up my computer.)

Edited by TopAce, 05 July 2010 - 01:33 PM.