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#1 zachrb

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 06:16 PM

So what faction as best vs who? Such as Gondor beats Mordor, etc. Thats just an example. From yalls experience who is the best vs. who?

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 09:43 PM

Isengard definitely beats the hell out of Rohan. For the rest, it's just personal preferences and who I'm good as that decide.


Against Gondor I'd play Gondor probably, or Harad.
Against Rohan, Isengard.
Against Elves, Rohan or isengar, depending on Lorien/Rivendell.
Against Dwarves, Mordor or Isengard.
Against Arnor, Rohan.
Against Mordor, Gondor or Harad.
Against Isengard, Elves or Gondor I'd say. This is tough. I really think Isengard is one of the best factions in game ;)
Against Goblins, whoever ;)
Against MotE, Gondor or Elves or MotE.
Against Angmar, Isengard.

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Posted 01 May 2009 - 03:45 AM

rohan vs arnor? The rohan would be dead lucky to win.......
And arnor can smite mote too
isengard.......against rohan? I think it goes the other way around? orcs of any kind arent very well against a charge of
rohirrim with theoden's charge.
Here's my opinion.
Against mordor, rohan.
Against gondor, mordor.
Against MoTE, Arnor or Gondor.
Against elves, really nothing i can think of. It's a beastly faction, but i kinda think horses from rohan could beat 'em.
Against rohan, i would use MoTE. Best pikes in the game fit with the best cavalry in the game.
Against goblins, anything IMO. Dwarves really kick butt here, but elves do fine also.
Against isengard, rohan.
Against dwarves, anything you can spam
Against Arnor, so many choices. It depends what ur opponent likes, rangers, spears of the havens, riders, etc. It's a very....interesting faction.
Against Angmar, I really dont know. I would think any set of cavalry within a faction that contains heavy infantry, could be gondor or rohan due to the elven warriors. Cavalry could kill the black numenoriens and the dark rangers, escape to a well, and then have a bunch of infantry to take out the trolls. Once dead, the cavalry could come right back. Thing is, the wights. Very op.............so if some1 used wights, nothing beats angmar.

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Posted 01 May 2009 - 04:41 PM

Dude I had a game vs Angmar where there was like 50 wights. Insanly retarted. Couldnt even build an army.

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Posted 02 May 2009 - 03:56 PM

that is actually a major bug. When a sorcerer uses a spell to heal its units around it
while draining the enemy, once those enemies are killed, they turn into wights. But the wights dont die!!!!!!and while
theyre supposed to go away, they stay.
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Posted 02 May 2009 - 07:00 PM

Dude, Isengard demolishes rohan any day. They have the best basic pikes in game, and they're so easy to spam. Also, how does Arnor beat Rohan in any way sense or form? ;)

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Posted 02 May 2009 - 07:16 PM

Dude, Isengard demolishes rohan any day. They have the best basic pikes in game, and they're so easy to spam. Also, how does Arnor beat Rohan in any way sense or form? ;)

spears of the havens? and also, isengard does not have the best pikes in the game. MoTE does IMO.
I go kinda by the movies too. If you saw the end of TTT, you would see the cavalry demolishing the uruk pikes.
isengard cant beat rohan. IMO, they have one of the worst pikes in the game, unless they were given new atributes in this mod.
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Posted 02 May 2009 - 07:47 PM

Isengard's army was made for the single purpose of destroying the kingdom of rohan so its only logical that isengard is great against rohan. Any of the uruk-hai units are big enough to be trampled by the rohirrim and still survive while also being strong enough to take down the horses even if it isn't a pike unit. Warg riders provide a later game tactic to help hold off rohan's cavalry while also crushing its infantry. Through in a barrage of pikemen, berserkers, and siege units and you win. IMO, the best faction to use against rohan is isengard.

Besides that, I would say arnor pretty much is the safest faction to use against a random opponent since its so versatile.

And never use elves against dwarves...

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Posted 02 May 2009 - 08:11 PM

elves loses agains dwarfs , good one
Elvens vs an factions without cav its an clear victory ;)
every game that i ve played agains dwarves i used elves and i won
only two factions are good agains elves : rohan and isengard :p

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Posted 02 May 2009 - 10:44 PM

Dude, Isengard demolishes rohan any day. They have the best basic pikes in game, and they're so easy to spam. Also, how does Arnor beat Rohan in any way sense or form? ;)

spears of the havens? and also, isengard does not have the best pikes in the game. MoTE does IMO.
I go kinda by the movies too. If you saw the end of TTT, you would see the cavalry demolishing the uruk pikes.
isengard cant beat rohan. IMO, they have one of the worst pikes in the game, unless they were given new atributes in this mod.


Bullshit. Spearmen require a fortress upgrade and an expanded building to be built, by which time I already have FU rohirrim and eomer too. Isengard has the best basic pikes, regardless of what you think of Rhun. The worst pikes? Seriously? The trample revenge is amazing.

Isengard's army was made for the single purpose of destroying the kingdom of rohan so its only logical that isengard is great against rohan. Any of the uruk-hai units are big enough to be trampled by the rohirrim and still survive while also being strong enough to take down the horses even if it isn't a pike unit. Warg riders provide a later game tactic to help hold off rohan's cavalry while also crushing its infantry. Through in a barrage of pikemen, berserkers, and siege units and you win. IMO, the best faction to use against rohan is isengard.

Besides that, I would say arnor pretty much is the safest faction to use against a random opponent since its so versatile.

And never use elves against dwarves...


Rohirrim trample basic uruks and xbows in one pass, just so you know....

Gondor is the best to use against a random I'd say.




And ctln, I'd bet ravnin could demolish your elves with his dwarves :p Elves can be vulnerable to anyone, depending how you use them.

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Posted 03 May 2009 - 01:20 AM

Isengard's army was made for the single purpose of destroying the kingdom of rohan so its only logical that isengard is great against rohan. Any of the uruk-hai units are big enough to be trampled by the rohirrim and still survive while also being strong enough to take down the horses even if it isn't a pike unit. Warg riders provide a later game tactic to help hold off rohan's cavalry while also crushing its infantry. Through in a barrage of pikemen, berserkers, and siege units and you win. IMO, the best faction to use against rohan is isengard.

Besides that, I would say arnor pretty much is the safest faction to use against a random opponent since its so versatile.

And never use elves against dwarves...

it wouldve only prevailed if the rohirrim werent there to guard the coountry. That's how they were overrun.
The outlawed rohirrim couldve easily destroyed that army, but saruman used trickery and plot. The horsemen werent in rohan. Only peasents
and footmen were still there.

Id actually like to experiment isengard pikes against rohirrim. In past experiences, the isen pikes were goners.
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Posted 03 May 2009 - 03:29 AM

I dunno, Yoda, CTLN's win/loss record is scary. It's got as many losses as mine, except he's played more than two matches. :p

Although, CTLN, I've got a killer anti-elves strat (with dwarves) that I figured out recently. I haven't tried it out against a human, but I'm 85% sure I could take out your fort in under seven minutes.

Also, Dwarves have battlewagons, which are possibly the best cav in the game, unless you're playing with MHHs. Their trample damage is instant-kill, you just can't let them run into pikes. Also, the fire barrel ability is crazy useful.

However, my favorite Dwarves strat doesn't really work in RJ--it's the Hammer Guardian sneak. Unfortunately, you can't just use generic guardians, you have to build the hammer ones, and you have to build way more of them, plus upgrading the forge to level two costs too much. But it's really fun to make your opponent think you're coming in with your entire army, Gloin, and Demolishers, so they go to take you out. When their army's gone, you come in with some Siege Hammers and Gimli with some phalanx/guardians to take care of any troops/heroes left in the base, and you uberpwn their base ;)

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Posted 03 May 2009 - 01:10 PM

Ooooh... wouldn't like to be on the receiving end of those Guardians... ;)
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Posted 03 May 2009 - 01:49 PM

Yeah sure ,battlewagons ,best cav , come one ,you kill them in about two shots with an hero .
Since i am the "best archer handler" you could say that i know how tu use them.

So can i see your anti-elves start in a online match ;)

yoda on what you bet ? :p

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Posted 03 May 2009 - 04:25 PM

I dunno, Yoda, CTLN's win/loss record is scary. It's got as many losses as mine, except he's played more than two matches. :xd:

Although, CTLN, I've got a killer anti-elves strat (with dwarves) that I figured out recently. I haven't tried it out against a human, but I'm 85% sure I could take out your fort in under seven minutes.

Also, Dwarves have battlewagons, which are possibly the best cav in the game, unless you're playing with MHHs. Their trample damage is instant-kill, you just can't let them run into pikes. Also, the fire barrel ability is crazy useful.

However, my favorite Dwarves strat doesn't really work in RJ--it's the Hammer Guardian sneak. Unfortunately, you can't just use generic guardians, you have to build the hammer ones, and you have to build way more of them, plus upgrading the forge to level two costs too much. But it's really fun to make your opponent think you're coming in with your entire army, Gloin, and Demolishers, so they go to take you out. When their army's gone, you come in with some Siege Hammers and Gimli with some phalanx/guardians to take care of any troops/heroes left in the base, and you uberpwn their base :grin:



I've beaten him four times, he's beaten me once. So, yeah :q:

If I get my way, hammer dwarves will start with hammers and just upgrade with forged blades.

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Posted 03 May 2009 - 06:35 PM

Oooo...That's crazy unbalanced if they start with hammers. You could build siege from a level 1 HoW and destroy their base before they finished building a few farms.

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Posted 03 May 2009 - 06:49 PM

1 was an random match (i hate gob ) :grin:
2 you tricked me in that one (me elves you rohan) i tought you played as gondor then i saw rohan , i would never play as archers vs cav :q:
3 that mordor vs elves one was fair :xd:
4 what was the fourth victoy , dont remember :)

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Posted 03 May 2009 - 07:01 PM

Fourth was me and isengard and you as someone else, I forget who :grin:


Ravnin, only available from level two, and they wouldn't be nearly as effective without forged hammers :xd:

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Posted 04 May 2009 - 04:19 PM

on hamachi you said that i was with elves , well i havent played yet with elves agains isengard , and i wont make such a big mistake so soon because elvens arent good agains heavy armoured troops.Maybe it was that 2 vs 2 match mordor and elves vs isen and gondor. If you would choose isengard i would choose gondor .

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Posted 04 May 2009 - 09:41 PM

Mordor was the best iirc; if you can survive early on and get enough pits, then you can walk over anybody just by spamming orcs everywhere and using the money you didn't spend on nazguls or catas or barricades :thumbsupsmiley:


Even though Mordor is my best faction and I've never lost with them, I think almost all factions are generally good and it's the strategies that make the difference, since most strategies can be used with all of the factions with minor changes; setting up towers in good positions (like the rivers on FoI) is a good way to contain people and keep them out of ur base early on, manspam works a lot, and cav rushes are really good with most factions.

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