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[JUS_SAURON]

I am very soon getting a whole new PC
I don't have all the technical specs but here are a few :

CPU : Phenom X2 3.0 Ghz
Memory :8 Gb RAM
Onboard Graphics : 8800 Nvidia (not sure if its 512)

I also have an 'old' 8500 Nvidia 512Mb Graphics CARD

Question :

Do I use the on-board Graphics which is 'better' specs than the 512Mb
Or do I put in the 512 and disable on-board
I know an on-baord uses system resources (RAM)
while a dedicated does not ....

I know usually a dedicated is better but in this case is that so ????

[Beowulf]

That 8800 onboard would probably be fine, but a dedicated card would work better IF it was a better card, which the 8500 is not.

[Bart]

But if you're buying that CPU and that much RAM, surely a better graphics card should be affordable?

[Clement]

Don't use on board graphics shipset. And do not buy 8Gb of ram, or explain me what do you do with your computer...

[Ash]

Yeah, you'd think so.

Onboard graphics is bad because it usually uses the CPU for processing. You *might* be able to get away with that one but I would recommend a newer card than either of the above.

[JUS_SAURON]

Thanks for the replies Guys ...
My 'Computer Install Guy' said the onboard was a bit choppy so I am looking to put in the Nvidia 8500 512MB

What I do with my computer -everything possible ,including working on my BFME2 mod

Why 8 GB Ram .Why not ..I plan to MAX-OUT the board so that when I close the case I never open it again ..
It is also to power the Phenom 2 with no memory bottlenecks

I plan to get Windows 7 soon and this board is 'WINDOWS 7 Ready' (with an UBER power supply +Ram +processor etc)

Why not buy a new card ...Well I had TWO 512MB running SLI on my older system so
I would just drop in one as this Phenon Setup ate all my $$$MONEY$$$
No sense having two 512MB doing nothing ...

I plan to get the BFG H20C GTX 295 with self-contained cooler

but when the price go down OR wait for the new Directx11 cards to hit the market ..

Again Thanks

Edited by JUS_SAURON, 10 October 2009 - 02:38 PM.

[Bereneth Túrien]

You still don't need 8 gigs of RAM.

[Beowulf]

My 'Computer Install Guy' said the onboard was a bit choppy so I am looking to put in the Nvidia 8500 512MB

Your "computer install guy" also sounds like a moron. Unless you typo'd, an 8500 now is a worthless card. You won't have great performance and you still won't be playing many games on high. If you have a big budget, the card you mentioned later would be alright. But for now, I'd get a 9600GT and then put that 295 in later, using the 9600 at a dedicated PhysX card.

What I do with my computer -everything possible ,including working on my BFME2 mod

Then you don't need 8GB of RAM. Pretty much only servers and ultra high-end video editing workstations properly use that much memory.

Why 8 GB Ram .Why not ..I plan to MAX-OUT the board so that when I close the case I never open it again ..

No, moron, you will want to open it again. You still need to clean the inside of your case every so often unless you want to create a fire hazard. Methinks mommy and daddy would not appreciate that.

It is also to power the Phenom 2 with no memory bottlenecks

Which one? X3? X4? I'm just going to assume X4 though.

I plan to get Windows 7 soon and this board is 'WINDOWS 7 Ready' (with an UBER power supply +Ram +processor etc)

Define "uber power supply."
And lol... Windows 7 Ready. We all know how well that worked for "Vista Ready."

Why not buy a new card ...Well I had TWO 512MB running SLI on my older system so
I would just drop in one as this Phenon Setup ate all my $$$MONEY$$$

Let me guess. You nerdgasmed over the quad core setup and spent all of your money on parts that had the biggest numbers...

No sense having two 512MB doing nothing ...

No there is not. Continue using your old setup until your new one becomes useful.

but when the price go down OR wait for the new Directx11 cards to hit the market ..

There is a DX11 card available. The Radeon HD5870/X2. If you really want that, I'd recommend ATI cards over nVidia for the simple fact that AMD and ATI are sister companies and they work together.

[JUS_SAURON]

Well it was either get a Nvidia gtx295
OR a Quad Phenom 2 (x4) Processor +motherboard +Powersupply

The Nvidia requires Good Power and a better processor than a Athlon 64
to really get 100% out of it

Memory is relatively cheap ddr2 2gb (x4) so this was no big setback

By not opening the case again I meant once I upgrade the board
I won't need to spend any for $$ further upgrade

Eg If I buy a Phenom 1 NOW , I spend say $1000
If I buy a phenom 2 later ,I spend $1400 and have a useless Phenom 1 lying around
So I buy a Phenom 2 NOW (the max the board can hold and actually save in the long run
I have way too many outdated processors and motherboards home ...

I always wanted a Quad Setup OR a Two GPU Videocard ...So I went with the first thing
and will get the Video Card maybe next year

I guess this topic is already answered.....
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using the 9600 at a dedicated PhysX card.

I've heard of Dedicated PhysX card but I've not seen much about it
I thought that the company was incorporated into The Nvidia Giant
and now all Nvidia Cards come with PhysX Technology

Edited by JUS_SAURON, 10 October 2009 - 05:36 PM.

[Bereneth Túrien]

By not opening the case again I meant once I upgrade the board
I won't need to spend any for $ further upgrade

Upgrading to newer technologies when they become available is a good thing. It would be better to get what you need now for this system and if/when you need newer parts get them as you need them.

When I bought my current computer it came with a 1.6 GHz CPU and 1 GB of RAM. At that time it was all I needed so I didn't get anything more. Once I started using more resource-heavy apps I got a new processor (2.4 GHz dual-core) and 2 gigs more memory. I didn't need to get anything more. You wouldn't see me getting a quad-core processor or 8 GB of ram "just so I don't have to get it later". It's not likely that it will even be necessary ever. And if it does become necessary, it won't be as expensive a few years from now.

[JUS_SAURON]

Well like I said I prefer to max out now ...Its my money after all
It was either a Quad Phenom AMD or an i7 Intel Quad ..but the latter is way out of my price range
I already have a Athlon Duo (x2) 64 with 4 Gb ram
Street fighter 4 is Tooo Chopppy ,All the next gen games will require a BEAST PC and this setup
is cheaper to put together than Alien ware

but this discusion about why I want this PC with so big a processor and so much ram
is not on topic ....

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The onboard eats up memory so I need 8 GB ram to prevent bottlenecks

The Nvidia 512MB is the only vidoe card I have (actually two of these)

Do I use the onboard and Increse Ram or go with the Card

[Beowulf]

Well like I said I prefer to max out now ...Its my money after all

What's the point in maxing out if you're not going to utilize the available resources? A gaming PC tends to wuss out on good usage at 6GB, which is the ideal RAM for an x64 system as well.

It was either a Quad Phenom AMD or an i7 Intel Quad ..but the latter is way out of my price range

Intel's i5 line is a quad core as well, and much cheaper. My next build is using the i5 Lynnfield and it ranks right up with the i7 Nehalem in power.

I already have a Athlon Duo (x2) 64 with 4 Gb ram

I have the opposite with a Core 2 Duo and it still rocks and rolls games like a king.

Alien ware

Worst. Computers. Ever.

but this discusion about why I want this PC with so big a processor and so much ram
is not on topic ....

Yes it is.

The onboard eats up memory so I need 8 GB ram to prevent bottlenecks

Where the hell are you getting this information? Whoever is giving you this information is horribly misinformed. Onboard video uses CPU power, not memory, to run itself. This is why a dedicated card is more desirable in a gaming rig. In short, a dedicated GPU reduces strain on the CPU and frees it to perform the tasks its meant to.

The Nvidia 512MB is the only vidoe card I have (actually two of these)

So use one, both or buy a mid-range card.

[Jeeves]

Last PC I built, I just put in a Radon 4550. With latest drive updates the performance puts it way above my laptops 9600 which itself runs most games full settings. They don't actually make bad hardware these days, the 4550 was the second cheapest chip in the shop and is more than enough to keep you playing if you want to hold out for something bigger and better, but the new DX11 Radons are already out, and far superior to anything NVIDIA offers at twice the price (and with 3D-glasses - sign of desperation much?).
Either keep the 8800 until you get something else, because the Phenom can cope with the extra CPU demands and thats more than enough RAM;
Buy a cheap-but-decent card and you won't have any difficulty unless you like to drive dual 24"ers or Crysis,
Or just go invest in a good ATI card. They're only going to get better as DX11 is supported more, but with the fastest-ever GPU's, good DX11 and OGL support they are so far ahead of NVid's offerings they've resorted to trying to bring back 3D glasses, and showing off fakes.

Lastly, if you're planning a Win7 system and ultimately a DX11 card, I'd definitely want a Quad. DX11 = Full Multicore support of graphics processing. So even if you still have a weaker card, idle cores can take over the load for a little more grunt.

[JUS_SAURON]

Good Info ..Thanks

I am looking at the BFG GTX H2OC 295 - ( Self Cooled )
OR the DX11 Radon you mentioned
OR wait for the (rumored ) Nvidia 300 series which may be DX11 and DDR5

I definately like the self contained Cooling System BFG put together
It looks well designed and the reviews are GOOD

I am thinking BFG + Self Cooled + D11 + DDR5 + GTX

So I'll wait a bit

BTW : Yes Windows7 soon ,I already Got Phenom 11 (x4) Ghz 3.0
It was the best Phenom in the store ....
Best Motherboard too ....

Edited by JUS_SAURON, 11 October 2009 - 01:35 PM.

[Bereneth Túrien]

The system you're making is just a fucking waste of your money. You don't need, and probably won't end up using, half of the shit your paying for.

[Puppeteer]

I'm content with my Dual Core 2.0GHz with 3GB of RAM. To me that sounded pretty nice.
8GB? Waste much?

[Caspa]

The system you're making is just a fucking waste of your money. You don't need, and probably won't end up using, half of the shit your paying for.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on MY rig then

[Beowulf]

I'd love to hear your thoughts on MY rig then

or my next build. I'm spending like $620 on the case alone.

[Caspa]

Nice. I'm guessing your going for a water cooled rig then? Gonna give us your parts list?

[Bereneth Túrien]

I'm content with my Dual Core 2.0GHz with 3GB of RAM. To me that sounded pretty nice.
8GB? Waste much?

@Puppet: That's basically what I have. 2.4GHz actually.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on MY rig then lol.gif

or my next build. I'm spending like $620 on the case alone. tongue.gif

@Fen: There is almost no reason why you would need to spend that much money on the case.

Edited by {AE}Manveru, 13 October 2009 - 12:27 PM.