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TOPIC TITLE: Origin of Orcs?
TOPIC DESCRIPTION: Are Orcs immortal? Are they Elves corrupted by Morgoth?
When discussing or posting info it would be helpful, if you quote or give references:
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Morgoth had many servants, the oldest and most potent of whom were immortal, belonging in their beginning to the Maiar; and these evil spirits like their Master could take on visible form. Those whose business it was to direct the Orcs often took Orkish shapes, though they were greater and more terrible. Thus it was that the histories speak of Great Orcs or Orc-captains who were not slain, and who reappeared in battle through years far longer than the span of the lives of Men.
It is clear from Tolkien's late writings, that his final view of the question was, that "Orcs were bred from Men, and if 'the conception in mind of the Orcs may go far back into the night of Melkor's thought' it was Sauron who, during the ages of Melkor's captivity in Aman, brought into being the black armies that were available to his Master when he returned" [HoMe: Origin of Orcs].
examples of references:
Tolkien did not take a final decision on the question of the origin of Orcs before 1959-60; in The Silmarillion as published we still find the assumption, that Orcs might be corrupted Elves, but Tolkien has in an essay from his later writings very clearly rejected this as an impossible idea. The essay Origin of Orcs can be found in History of Middle-earth Vol. X: Myths transformed, section X
In Encyclopedia of Arda it is said that orcs were in origin corrupted Elves captured by Melkor before the beginning of the First Age.
Source: http://www.glyphweb....rda/o/orcs.html
example of hints:
I found some very interesting stuff on orks and orc-women, and how they breed ... I think it was in one of the last books of History of Middle-earth.
Edited by Námo, 15 November 2011 - 07:08 PM.
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