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[Ghostrider]

Iirc, I believe it was noted on this board somewhere that when you dig into canon, you see that the TIE Fighter is a technological marvel in that it's so dirt-cheap compared to all the preceding stuff.

Yes - the original Republic TIE: $540 (speed 80; maneuver 90)
Eta-2 Actis Interceptor: $1740 (speed 140; maneuver 125)
Alpha-3 Nimbus V-Wing:: $615 (speed 135; maneuver 75)
Delta-7 Aethersprite: $1080 (speed 100 maneuver 90)

The TIE series took ideas from both the Eta-2 and the V-Wing and I think Sienar bought the rights to the Delta line for research purposes.

Now look at the TIE Starfighter:
The flight performance is a next generation from the above designs : (speed 90 Maneuver 100), but Imperial engineers have managed to get the production cost down to a mere $360.
And the TIE Fighter adds more speed and Power to Weapons as well!

Now that's impressive development work!

Edited by Ghostrider, 01 November 2011 - 05:47 PM.

[Tropical Bob]

Shields must be rather expensive tech to put on a starfighter.

[Kitkun]

Not necessarily, that super-expensive Actis up there is unshielded, while the V-Wing and Aethersprite both have shields.

[Phoenix Rising]

lol Keep in mind Zeta, that you have a number of people who come at the entire Star Wars universe from those games.

You can promote canon, or supersede canon in the same class, but you can almost never demote it. I think that's the main problem with T-canon cartoons - we can point to the movies to say that Yularen isn't a Grand Admiral, but nothing can save Ryloth's rotation.

Even in relation to the films the canon isn't all that stable between 1-3 and 4-6. the tech goes from sleek and gracefully deadly to clunky and awkward. The radical differences between the two give me the impression that Lucas doesn't care about canon as long as he has something he can sell.

We'll see how the live-action plays out. I fully expect it to mess up part of our internal timeline. I think it's quietly been backburnered in favor of 3D though.

Venator costs almost double that of an Imperial-class, but with about half the firepower.

Much of our cost on the Venator is built into the complement (our price scheme discounts bigger ships). It's 59000k credits in-universe, according to pre-Saga d20, while the Imperial II is 145670k.

Yes - the original Republic TIE: $540 (speed 80; maneuver 90)
Eta-2 Actis Interceptor: $1740 (speed 140; maneuver 125)
Alpha-3 Nimbus V-Wing:: $615 (speed 135; maneuver 75)
Delta-7 Aethersprite: $1080 (speed 100 maneuver 90)

In-game squadron prices; divide by 6 to get actual in k credits.

Shields must be rather expensive tech to put on a starfighter.

It probably has more to do with miniaturization.

[Zeta1127]

lol Keep in mind Zeta, that you have a number of people who come at the entire Star Wars universe from those games.

I don't deny the existence of things from games, but they are really shooting themselves in the foot when they do stupid things like StarViper continuity and MandalMotors vs. Mandal Hypernautics that I mentioned.

[Zeta1127]

I know I am bumping this and also made the last post, but now I have the ammunition I need to get TCW dealt with in a responsible manner. The following is a statement by Dave Filoni, the lead director of TCW, from the latest Insider.

There is no more clear illustration of the difference between the Expanded universe and the Star Wars created by George Lucas [than the differences between the comic Slaves of the Republic and the TCW version]. The EU is a well of ideas, and there's what's on screen. They don't live in the same universe. Everyone wants to think so, I know, and there is a lot of effort to make it all work, but it's pretty clear when you start really looking at it that when you take ideas from the printed realm and bring it on the screen, it's not always the same . They relate. There are similarities. I still enjoy a lot of those stories. I think there are a lot of great ideas. They influence you. They inspire you, which I think is the whole point of having an EU. We try hard to honor things when we can, to give nods to things, but at the end of the day there is a difference between what you see in the Star Wars films and TV series and what you see in those books.

This is not how the Star Wars universe works. Period. End of story. This statement needs to brought to the attention of Leland Chee.

Edited by Zeta1127, 31 May 2012 - 04:23 AM.

[Phoenix Rising]

Thanks for reposting that. It sounds like he pretty much declared TCW non-canon.

[Kitkun]

There may be a lot of bad writing and such, but I'd rather the effort at least be made.

[Zeta1127]

Thanks to the JCF on TF.N, I found out about the above statement. Jason Fry wouldn't comment on it for obvious reasons.

There may be a lot of bad writing and such, but I'd rather the effort at least be made.

Well, at least we know Dave Filoni is purposefully contradicting things for a reason, a lack of understanding of how Star Wars continuity and canon works, but a reason none the less.

Edited by Zeta1127, 31 May 2012 - 07:35 AM.

[Phoenix Rising]

TCW material can still be canonized by other sources - roleplaying books, essential guides, comics, etc. A lot of the contradictions I simply can't sort out on my own (see Wullf).

[smashedsaturn]

Thank god; he just declared it un-cannon, regardless of what the rest say I'm now using this to back up what ive felt and said all along about it's uncannonness.

[Zeta1127]

My original premise for this thread, the Tantive IV dramatic reversal retcon, really was caused TCW, specifically the Tantive IV in "Supply Lines" being the Episode IV CR90 instead of the Episode III CR70.

Edited by Zeta1127, 04 July 2012 - 09:38 PM.