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[P.O._210877]

Let's just be thankful they went with the Alliegance-class rather than the Heavy Star Destroyer. That would have been just wrong. I can understand Fractal's designation from a conceptual point of view but it's just not a "proper" SW designation. Is other names, though, are spot on!

[Zeta1127]

Indeed.

[johnchm.10]

honestly, the main problem is with the source material. recall, the artwork for the DE trilogy was somewhat inconsistent to put it mildly. that Fractal managed to create such awesome models is nothing short of outstanding

[Phoenix Rising]

Right, the Anaxes War College is fine for standardization, but we have our own system for grouping ships that's already entrenched at this point.

The prototype B-wing is actually from Strike Force: Shantipole (June 1988), which doesn't seem to mention "Assault" at all.

It's not so much a matter of size with the Barloz - it's actually more difficult over time to make single-pilot, hyperdrive-equipped ships smaller - although tonnage does seem to get better. I don't quite understand why, but that is the trend. Something to do with structural integrity entering and existing atmosphere?

WotC is Wizards of the Coast, the makers of the d20 RPG (although they no longer hold that license).

[johnchm.10]

axanes: point taken
B-wing. from looking at certain other games like Freespace, an Assault Fighter is little more than a heavily armed fighter that doesnt pack as much firepower as a dedicated bomber, and has other qualities that help bridge the gap between fighters and bombers. in-mod, this is a perfect description of the B-wing after you start runnin through the tech levels. why its been renamed, i think has to do with public relations/political correctness, as assault creates a negative connotation with some people
barloz: i dont know man, i figured that as technology develops, etc, that making larger ships becomes feasible, thus the "standards" if you will would be adjusted as such.
WotC: ah. i have learned something new

[Phoenix Rising]

In-universe, almost nothing is officially designated as a bomber. The B-wing is unique in its own right though as a starfighter built from scratch with direct Alliance input. As such, I'm more inclined towards a simpler name.

[Phoenix Rising]

Just stumbled upon this archived talk page. Really an interesting read as a precursor to TEGtW and stuff like the Anaxes War College. Best quote (to McEwok): "You don't make canon."

[johnchm.10]

ok, i know this isnt really an inconsistency, but it occurred to me that in the beginning of RotJ, Vader's shuttle launches from an ISD2, specifically the Avenger, and not Executor. any guess as to why? i mean, it is VADER'S PERSONAL FLAGSHIP, after all.

[P.O._210877]

The Executor was probably the anchor for the DS-II defense fleet and Vader obviously was away (probably detached from Executor for some time) and took an ISD-II since they're both powerful and fast. It's like how Jedi generals chose Venators as command ships. Of course these are just my two cents...

[Phoenix Rising]

Yup, faster hyperdrive multiple. The first Death Star had its own Priority Sector and associated defenses - if the second had a permanent defense fleet, Jerjerrod's rank would indicate it being much smaller.

[smashedsaturn]

It's like how Jedi generals chose Venators as command ships.

but that was just because lucas, and everyone who writes in the EU ever, is too lazy to write a realistic account of space battles. I mean seriously why would you take a venator when you could have a preator....

[Madurai]

but that was just because lucas, and everyone who writes in the EU ever, is too lazy to write a realistic account of space battles. I mean seriously why would you take a venator when you could have a preator....

Because Venators exist and Praetors don't.

[johnchm.10]

i actually like the venators. if only they could be used instead of Endurance. better looking design imo.

[P.O._210877]

I started a post dedicated to this question.

Edited by P.O._210877, 14 October 2012 - 10:29 AM.

[Phoenix Rising]

Moving this to a more-appropriate thread.

10 lasers on the TIE/in prop

As in TIE Interceptor? What madness is this?

This. It's a good argument, but an unprecedented load for a fighter reactor and capacitors.

[P.O._210877]

I'd go with the targeting sensors explanation.

[Phoenix Rising]

Probably the easiest way out, although EGVV completely ignores the chin guns.

Edited by Phoenix Rising, 16 November 2012 - 08:05 PM.

[P.O._210877]

With all the different sources from different time periods and different authors, I believe you have to take some and leave some... I remember that it was explained that the chin cannons where an upgrade from the prototype or original model?

[Phoenix Rising]

I should clarify. EGVV was the first to call them targeting sensors. I was questioning how reliable it was, given that it failed to explain the chin guns.

[johnchm.10]

so i was in deep thought earlier and something came to my mind
in universe, and not in game, The Imperial 1 and 2 classes of Star Destroyers are some of the best equipped ships for their size, yet they only have class 2 hyperdrives, while the Dominator and Victory classes are stated to have class 1 hyperdrives,
any thoughts as to why this might be able to happen, mainly with the Dominator, as the Victory is a smaller ship, which helps to rectify the difference.
i was under the impression that the Dominator was developed around the same time as the Imperial-2, with Vader commanding a Dominator soon after the Battle of Yavin, and the Imperial-2 class, and retrofitted Imperial-1's coming into the fleet at a similar time.
i have two possibilities in my mind
1: cost: the Imperial 1 and 2 classes were great in numbers, over 25000 at the peak of the Imperial Navy. while the Navy did have nearly infinite resources for all intents and purposes, in order to save some money, they kept the Hyperdrive at a class 2, which is still respectable. the Dominator-class, being fewer in number, as well as starting with an incomplete Imperial-class Hull, and mating a quartet of Gravity Well Projectors from an Immobilizer-418, would likely have had less development costs over the Imperial class, so they could have upgraded some components while designing her with some of the extra money
2: competition with Siener: the Dominator seems to have been designed as a heavy Commerce Raider, Blockader, or a more robust Interdictor better suited for fleet actions. with presumably stronger shields, better weapons, and a larger fighter compliment. as such, the designers might have wanted every advantage over the Immobilizer.

anyone with a different idea, im all ears