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[Death_Kitty]

I was just thinking how much I want to get into MO 3.3 when it (finally) comes out...
And also how bad I am at most aspects of this game.
So! I've decided to make a few threads, this being the first about things I don't understand/need tips for, balance concerns, army comps, faction tips, ect. To wit:(today just general stuff then I'll go into a factions tgen its subfactions)

1.) how do you make an effective econ?! I'm at the point where it's red 4 harvs and that's it... How do you avoid running out of money but still balance tech and vehicles production with refinery and harv production?
2.) since everyone gets aircraft now... What is the purpose of them and how do you use them correctly? And effectively? How many do I build? (that last one aplies to allies)
3.) How do you infiltrate a base especially if the tech center is walled in?
4.) How do you win a fight agianst superior force I.e. agianst China?

Edited by Death_Kitty, 31 July 2016 - 09:10 AM.

[CLAlstar]

1. I usually go for 4 miners before tier 2, sometimes 5 if i feel safe (long distance to enemy, easy to defend locations). After tech lab i grab 1-2 miners + those from additional refineries.

 

2. Each aircraft will have it use. Its hard to say how many you need in current moment but having 4 attacking jets at ready and depending on faction 1-2 support is my way.

 

3. Depends on faction. My favourite way with allies is droping a spy in stallion somewhere close to enemy base and then hoping for RNG to be friendly and blowing up a piece of wall with jets. Hard to say with other factions, epsilonc an do brute in driller if enemy have no defenses.

 

4. Tactics, split of army, micromanagement, utilization of support powers, group control.

[Death_Kitty]

Well, it is a noob bulletin... Could you go in depth for the tips in 4? I intend to main USA if that helps. How would in use that arsenal to effect?

Edited by Death_Kitty, 31 July 2016 - 12:03 PM.

[CLAlstar]

Its hard to define because right now im more familiar with BR2 USA than BR1. Simply China have a lot of AoE damage - splitting your army will surely minimalize casualties. Having couple of extra stormchildrens will help taking out centurion, target painter is also an useful thing. Another thing is that nuwa/centy have minimal ranges. Going on with fast units like bulldogs will cause some collateral damage.

[Tavric]

Example 1

Nuva's and sentinels on offensive

use warhawks to attack nuvas

if sentinels engage and chase your warhawks use bulldogs or abrams's o kill them when they come out of nuwa's attack range

now nuwa's are easy target for warhawks

Example 2

same as example 1 but in this scenario sentinels do not chase and stay close to nuwa's

you will need hit and run tactics


Option 1)Put Tanya into Stryker and harass enemy

2)sue abrams's  to kill sentinels one by one retreat after destroying 1 or 2 and repair abrams's with stryker+ engineer

 

3) harass enemy with stormchild jet's

I hope you will find this helpful. Feel free to ask and I will answer as best as I can.

 

[Death_Kitty]

I do very much! Thanks!

[CLAlstar]

Sentinels will never step away on first line before nuwas, unless you bait them. And thats hard to do.

[Death_Kitty]

Also what do you do when there is a nuwa sentinel centurion yunru combo?

[Tavric]

I would try to get centurion first with jet's then engage sentinels with abrams <even if they will suffer loses>. Then destroy nuwas with warhawks. Point is to emiminate yunru EMP first as it would disable some of my forces.

 

Chrono Legionnaire +stryker would also be helpful as support to abrams's

You can also just attack head on with warhawks and use rocketeers as meat shields for them.

Also. Tanya outranges nuwas<even if just by bit> so she can be used in hit and run tactics without worring about stryker being disabled by EMP

 

Use Mercury Strike to finish red hp units or do more dmg.

[CLAlstar]

CLeg + Stryker is only good in number of 1. And only to disable centurion. Backwrap allows you to "heal" EMP'd units.

 

Tanya IFV have insane range, but still can be hit by Centurion afaik frm amx range.

 

Honestly, using air against such heavy AA faction like China is suicide.

 

And Merc Strike wont do much against heavy armor units.

[Tavric]

I meant Tanya alone. Not inside stryker. She have range of 8,5(nuwas have 8) so she still able outrange them if used carefully. And as you have pointed, Backwarp can bring EMP-ed unit back to action so it can be used to save stryker with tanya.

If abrams's destroy sentinels first there will be no AA so no problem for warhawks. Example with only warhawks and recketeers is last ditch effort. When somehow your ground forces are not where they are needed or got eliminated <by nuwas>. Of course all depend on how many sentinels are there and how many warhawks + rocketeers you have, but it's no impossible for warhawks to win. 

Target Painter will help with that. Sorry for not mentioning this support power in my previous post.

tl;dr: Kill AA get nuwas with air.

Edited by Tavric, 01 August 2016 - 07:06 PM.

[CLAlstar]

Note: China also have gyrocopters, which own rocketeers on daily basis - not counting any other flying unit than Irkalla.

[Tavric]

Well, that's jet another example. Areoblaze for gyrocopters?

Obviously tactics will change as game progress.

[CLAlstar]

Thing is that you wont get close to gyrocopters without putting yourself in range of centurion/nuwas. BR1 USA vs China is most biased china matchup in game anyway.

[Death_Kitty]

Thing is that you wont get close to gyrocopters without putting yourself in range of centurion/nuwas. BR1 USA vs China is most biased china matchup in game anyway.

Then assume it's 3.3 what changes?

[CLAlstar]

Lets see:

- Centurion gets AA weapons. China gains Irradiation support power.

- USA gets better arty unit, better warhawks, slightly enhanced backwrap, better abrams tanks, support jet shared with all allied factions.

 

I think while matchup is still China biased, its way more less biased than in BR1 - Allies with proper micromanagement and hummingbirds can be actually a force to be reckon with against any other faction.

[DoMiNaNt_HuNtEr]

Who's your opponent, Death Kitty? Is it AI or are you managing to play online somehow?

 

If you are playing online, tell me how the fuck you managed to get there in the first place, so I can join you. I've been having trouble trying the alternatives from CnCNet.

[Death_Kitty]

Who's your opponent, Death Kitty? Is it AI or are you managing to play online somehow?

If you are playing online, tell me how the fuck you managed to get there in the first place, so I can join you. I've been having trouble trying the alternatives from CnCNet.

Actually... I'm not online...I'm not even on my PC. I'm just analyzing past games... And thinking about future ones... Sorry

[DoMiNaNt_HuNtEr]

My GOD, man. How the hell are we supposed to help you if you cannot practice to test our methods? Well, this will not stand! You've got to fire up the game somehow and play some skirmishes ASAP, in order to really get behind the wheel. Otherwise, I cannot help you. Nor deter you! Nor take power of attorney over you. I cannot do anything until you do something. You must brave the forbidden lands. We would join you, but you have not yet paid us. 

 

Avast! Take the reigns of your computer and RIDE THIS MAGNIFICENT STALLION! INTO THE NORTH! UNTO, THE NORTH!

 

You're not a coward, are you? BAAAWWWK, BUCKBUCKBUCKBUCK BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWKK!!!

 

[Death_Kitty]

My GOD, man. How the hell are we supposed to help you if you cannot practice to test our methods? Well, this will not stand! You've got to fire up the game somehow and play some skirmishes ASAP, in order to really get behind the wheel. Otherwise, I cannot help you. Nor deter you! Nor take power of attorney over you. I cannot do anything until you do something. You must brave the forbidden lands. We would join you, but you have not yet paid us.

Avast! Take the reigns of your computer and RIDE THIS MAGNIFICENT STALLION! INTO THE NORTH! UNTO, THE NORTH!

You're not a coward, are you? BAAAWWWK, BUCKBUCKBUCKBUCK BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWKK!!!

Well you see in not even in the same country as my PC so it's a question of logistics...