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[Allied General]

2006 years of human society

I don't think in your 80 year life span or more if you are lucky, you will suddenly see the fall of capitalism and everyone become high moral, upstanding, selfless people.

It just ain't pratical too implement.

You say we just say your ideas are crap wiv no evidence, but we have all the evidence we need right now.

No true socialist/communist societies exist.

Edited by Allied General, 30 June 2006 - 05:45 PM.

[Comrade Kal]

I'm an anarchist. That's your argument defeated.

[MSpencer]

Human society did not begin with the birth of a prophet. Human society can be traced back tens of thousands of years to cave paintings, are you saying anyone before Christianity was a savage?

[Allied General]

I was using 2006 years to show how futile human nature is , human society has been built upon greed and power and i don't think a few anarchists can change the world.

If anything I expect to see you in prison.

I guess the date peeved everyone off.

I'll rephrase then for all your people who take every word to be bloody literal or have some religious purpose which makes the human race seem ever more rubbish

Since the first recorded evidence of human society (however many thousands of years that is), we have been greedy, egostical, survival of the fittest race.

Also Kal your arguement makes no sense. Are you implying anarchists can't make decent responses to common sense?

Theres loads of anti-capitalists and the result of your anarchy is at least riot police and at its worst civil war.

Edited by Allied General, 30 June 2006 - 05:54 PM.

[MSpencer]

Prison? Excuse me?

[Allied General]

Its a place where a lot of "active" anarchists go to for inciting riots and violence afaik according to media.

[Comrade Kal]

You made a load of arguments against communism. I said I was an anarchist, thus entirely defeating your arguments, which are applicable to communism but not anarchism.

I don't see how it relies on human nature. If there is no property, it's IMPOSSIBLE for one person to be better off.

[Pyth]

I am a communist.

I see it as the only way of creating a completely fair society, and the only way to creating a near-perfect society.

But people disagree with me. I've heard several arguments against it, lots of people disagree with the principles, don't think it can be done, whatever. Not everyone is a communist.

But why are people scared of communism? Many people seem to have an irrational fear of communism, even more than the fear of fascism. Is this more than simply cold-war propaganda? To the Hostiles of this forum - what's to fear with communism? You have your right to disagree, but why fear it? Why do communist countries deserve to be attacked? They're generally quite peaceful once they've been established, and America was by far the biggest aggressor in the cold war.

Quite simply - why are you so terrified of it?

*Ahem*

[Paladin58]

Well, he's got you there, Kal. Rebuttal?

[Allied General]

And you started this thread too

Hence you off topic your own threads and contradict your arguements next week your say your a prophet

Edited by Allied General, 30 June 2006 - 11:24 PM.

[Comrade Kal]

That was a while ago, i've since changed. There's little difference in the ideals, it's more about the way to achieve it.

[Allied General]

That was a while ago, i've since changed. There's little difference in the ideals, it's more about the way to achieve it.

What?

Illegaity, crime and warfare?

Go to 19th century China, ideal for you.

Also my comment is not defeat as I talk about the fall of capitalism which is anarchy.

The ultimate aim of your objectives is no government to control human behaviour.

It would basically like gang warfare on a global scale.

Edited by Allied General, 30 June 2006 - 11:34 PM.

[Comrade Kal]

Anarchism does not imply chaos at all. Read up on it you ignorant twat.

[Silent_Killa]

Sorry, but when did Kal stop being communist and become an Anarchist? Finally walk so far to the left he found himself on the right?

[Blodo]

AG you are useless. Instead of going on how it is impossible you should start thinking how to improve it.

It's people like you that ruin all attempts to change anything in this world, with your whining. You always say how the world is a terrible place, but you do jackshit to change it so ...

[Comrade Kal]

I am NOT arguing with anyone who thinks anarchism implies chaos and 'do what you want, even set up companies and shoot each other'. Read up on it or don't post.

[Pyth]

S oyou aren't arguing with fact?

Here, please explain the following:

1. Why a society with no government wil lwork.

2. How the economy will stay afloat.

3. How this anarchist... "nation"... wil lbe able to defend themselkves.

4. How we weil lavoid chaos.

5. How any type of order wil lstay.

6. How tribes won't just spring up, going through the cycle again.

[Allied General]

AG you are useless. Instead of going on how it is impossible you should start thinking how to improve it.

It's people like you that ruin all attempts to change anything in this world, with your whining. You always say how the world is a terrible place, but you do jackshit to change it so ...

Blodo I have thousands of years of evidence, proving the world is becoming rubbish.

My opinion is the world is getting worse and we can't do anything to do it because our tiny actions are futile.

I don't think a few thousand anarchists can change 6 billion peoples action.

Its common sense.

Sorry if it eludes you.

Also Kal your arguement about anarchism being wonderful is a load of rubbish cos you reply with swearing and immature comments when you appear not to be able to response in any reasonably intelligent manner.

So far I haven't used such childish language or outrageous statements except when you make over the top extragent comments.

If anything Kal your a trend follower, if primitivism suddenly became popualr I'm sure you would join that bandwagon.

Anarchism:
The fundamental belief that the state, laws and all forms of government authority is unjustified, oppressive and illegitimate. Therefore the government should be abolished and social and economic issues be carried out by means of voluntary and consensual arrangements.

Now first of all demoracies, people vote, people get elected, its corrupt but people have a choice.

Society is run by voluntary and consensual arrangements.

So basically your saying society will be self-sufficient because we suddenly have a change of heart and minds and will willingly help others with no sense of reward apart from satisfaction of helping fellow man?

Honestly do you really think murders, drug deals and violent people are suddenly can start "helping" out people?

Its a nice dream but face reality, thousands of years, no modern 2006 July 1st anarchist socieites or whatever social utopia you dream of exist.

Edited by Allied General, 01 July 2006 - 08:16 PM.

[Blodo]

But AG you are missing the point. Noone here can make the world perfect by the snap of a finger, but you can try and keep going with small steps. You are advocating that we all just sit down and weep because we "can't do anything", so it's not even worth to try. You are deluding yourself that you can't do nothing, hence you're one of those people approving of being oppressed instead of doing something about it. No - you'd rather just sit with your thumb up your arse and moan about how the world is a terrible place.

How do you live on this world without a maniacal deppression is beyond me.

I'm having such a go at you because personally I can't understand the concept of something being "impossible". Everything is possible. It just requires work towards it. And don't tell me that I'm wrong. 100 years ago people said flying was impossible. Can you deny that I can use an airplane to get to your house and kick you in the buttocks? I don't think so

[Allied General]

Technology and Political systems in terms of time scales are radically different.

Industralisation and centralisation has enabled our society to advance so fast in the last 100 years.

That is the result of governments who have the incentive to do it and the incentive is power or money.

We made nukes so we could beat the enemy, we made planes so we could beat the enemy and reduce transportation costs.

Also Blodo I'm not gonna live forever so why should I care about what my government or companies are doing.

99.9% of big changes are made via blood shed e.g. revolution, terrorism.

Only the freedom of race has been peaceful and even then Martin Luther King was killed.

I'm sorry for not being a radical, but it doesn't make me any lower then Lord Kal or you are suggesting.

Also thousands of years to prevent murder, stealing, or whatever but people still do it.

Getting ripped off or opressed by governments is a daily occurence.

I'm lucky my government only does it finanically.

Edited by Allied General, 01 July 2006 - 08:48 PM.