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#201 Hostile

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Posted 07 March 2006 - 11:01 PM

I'm not saying back breaking work isnt the foundation for prosperity, but it's isn't the end of it either. People need to educate themselves on how business works, than jump in and do it. And don't tell me poor people can't cause they have no money. My grandmother and grandfater wore cardboard in thier shoes and both excelled and running thier own business later on.


Hostile, your idea of a business at present is renting property. All that crap you used to spiel equates to nothing more than: 'owning a big house and renting it out to somebody who will pay'. When you say it in English, it doesn't sound so high-and-mighty, does it?

It isn't so high and mighty and that's why my jaw drops when people say normal people can't do that. But there is more to it like having correct insurance, making sure lawyers review documents you sign, setting up your business correctly so someone can't sue you and take it all from you.

But I chose real estate, my grandmother worked in a factory and went to school at night to do womens hair. When she finished school she opened her own shop, than hired someone to do the work for her.

My grandfather started by working in a coal mine, evetually he owned that coal mine through his use of the business structure and by becoming a partner to eventually owning the coal mine. Unfortunately I didn't ever see one red cent of that, but that's another story.

What I'm saying is pick any business, do it part time until you do it long enough to start making some good money, than share the idea with others and take a chunk. Do this enough and they do the work and you make some money. It's not exploitation because you've created a system that allows them to do exactly the same thing without all the startup work.

It's actually helping people. It's a matter of perspective, helping people help themselves instead of relying on the government or some communal thing.

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Posted 07 March 2006 - 11:05 PM

Idiots can be street cleaners. Smart people can be scientists. Smart people can be street cleaners. Idiots cannot be scientists, or at least ones that aren't quacks. The idea that each person is equal even when bringing their job into context is absurd. Without scientists and great, innovative minds, civilization would not advance. If we didn't have many street cleaners, we would find a way to survive. It is science that unlocks those ways to survive. To demonstrate this, I will use your "organ" metaphor and apply it to cellular biology:
The nucleus is a critical piece of machinery in the cell. It regulates the replication of DNA, mRNA, tRNA, rRNA, siRNA, all that fun stuff, anything with an NA in it basically (Not to be confused with Na).
Cilia are somewhat useless. Yes they're nice, even in multicellular organisms, and yes they can move you, but there are more efficient ways to move such as with flagella.
Both of them are found in many types of cells, but which one is more important to the cell? The nucleus, the scientists, not the street sweepers.
Also, keep in mind that this is a better analogy than I had intended. Cilia make a sweeping motion, and the nucleus is responsible for evolution and maintenance of our DNA.
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Posted 08 March 2006 - 04:37 PM

The whole point of analogies is to put things into a moe basic context, not a more complicated one so you can display your biological prowess.
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Posted 08 March 2006 - 08:18 PM

Analogies can be more complicated, they're used to visualize a concept.
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Posted 08 March 2006 - 08:47 PM

Well, just out of interest, what would you use instead of street cleaners?

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Posted 08 March 2006 - 08:52 PM

how about a droid the scientist made. heh. :p

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Posted 08 March 2006 - 10:11 PM

Exactly.
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Posted 08 March 2006 - 10:30 PM

how about a droid the scientist made. heh. :p

Now that is funny...

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 12:30 AM

which is probably the best option in the future for a potential socialistic system:

a world where robots are doing all the hard work and being our slaves, where every man can get equal opportunities of a good life because some machine is doing his work...

so if i were you i wouldnt exchange the scientist for street cleaner just yet...

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 01:15 AM

Communism would have to hold up the weight of the lack of a government with the entire scientific community. Nothing would get done.
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 08:38 AM

which is probably the best option in the future for a potential socialistic system:

a world where robots are doing all the hard work and being our slaves, where every man can get equal opportunities of a good life because some machine is doing his work...

so if i were you i wouldnt exchange the scientist for street cleaner just yet...


Looks like the animatrix was right after all :huh:

Also theortically in an droid society wouldn't there be people campaigning for droid rights? And others opposed to those machines getting jobs?

U see all this campaigning and change just brings up more problems.
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 01:02 PM

if there wasnt any problems, there wouldnt be any change. and its in our nature to change, so it will be nearly impossible to stop that from happening...

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 04:53 PM

What the hell? Have you all went mad? You've conjured up some ridiculous society that's nothing like what we've said and gone "Yeah, lot of problems there..."
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 10:22 PM

A communist society has no government. With no government comes anarchy. People would go in every direction and would get absolutely nothing done.
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 10:53 PM

Refer to my other post.

It's not that there's no government, the organisational jobs and those concerned with law and order remain, it's just that the concept of POWER is gone, to stop people abusing it.

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 04:00 PM

Refer to my other post.

It's not that there's no government, the organisational jobs and those concerned with law and order remain, it's just that the concept of POWER is gone, to stop people abusing it.


lmao u need power to be able to effectively demonstrate authority.


Its about influence.
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Posted 10 March 2006 - 04:52 PM

Refer to my other post.

It's not that there's no government, the organisational jobs and those concerned with law and order remain, it's just that the concept of POWER is gone, to stop people abusing it.

And how exactly are you going to remove the concept of power? A thought police perhaps?
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Posted 10 March 2006 - 05:04 PM

the police use the tide of power also, no police power = more crime.
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Posted 10 March 2006 - 07:31 PM

A government with no power is powerless to stop its citizens from revolting. Law and order has absolutely no power when the government loses its power to make things happen. You can't just get rid of the concept of power, you either have a powerful government or a figurehead government susceptible to any external persuasion.
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Posted 11 March 2006 - 06:50 PM

Spence what bullshit is that? If citizens revolt then obviously there is a problem? Why do a GOVERNMENT need power to stop people standing up and saying they dislike whats happening. If people dislike it then they can change it themselves.

Law and Order is kept by the citizens, not the government.




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