49 replies to this topic

[Hostile]

Take my advice, Christians at Revora are gonna get flamed. Just choose not to proclaim your affilition less you plan on being a Christan martyr.

[crave22]

Sorry to butt in, but according to this (Damn, why do links not have underlines anymore? ) flaming under a screen name is illegal for US citizens.

In other words, only non-US citizens can flame Christians. Alright, let the discussion continue.

Edited by crave22, 16 February 2006 - 11:50 PM.

[MSpencer]

Ah, well I use my real name anyways. And I think that law only covers like severe annoyance, like repeated Spam or something

[C1E/\/\E/\/+]

So, would you consider Judas 'evil'?

[Drewry]

I think he is just as important to christianity as is any other apostle. He was destined to betray jesus. It was apart of the plan for jesus to die. He knew he had to, it was in the prophecy. I dont see how Judas is a bad guy.

[Allied General]

Take my advice, Christians at Revora are gonna get flamed. Just choose not to proclaim your affilition less you plan on being a Christan martyr.

yeah but as a Christian I show forgiveness, peace, alternative routes well at least in this thread

besides one role of christianity is to spread the word of God.

The apostles were sawn in half, stoned, crucify and I believe one was thrown in a well, in comparison, flaming or just religious bashing by people from random countries is rather trivial.

Edited by Allied General, 17 February 2006 - 08:35 AM.

[Jsmooth13]

As a Catholic i have to say "Amen."


And about Judas. No, he just did what had to be done to save the world.

[Ash]

'Spread the word of God'.

So...you support Jehovah's Witnesses?

[Jsmooth13]

No, I just disagree that Judas was evil. I mean, he was Jesus' right hand man, and was actually the sensible one. He didn't want them to piss off the Jews too much because he feared that what happened would happen. It isn't like he wanted Jesus to get crucified, that was the Pharaises fault.

Also, Pilate too was not evil. Pilate didn't want to crucify Jesus, but he knew if he hadn't he would have one hell of a riot on his hands.

[MSpencer]

Pontius Pilate was a Roman governor. He did his job.

[Jsmooth13]

Exactly...else he would have had a riot like I said.

[MSpencer]

No, what I meant is he probably had no personal feelings about Jesus of Nazareth. To him, he was just another man to do with someone else's religion. Pilate probably just wanted to get his job in the middle of nowhere over with so he could go home and run for the senate or a government position with more importance than the governor of some far-flung province. He crucified him to prevent a riot, and probably didn't even care who he was or what he was preaching about. A little disturbing, but Jesus really wasn't all that important a person in the grand scheme of things.

[Jsmooth13]

Yup. Sorry, I had misinterperted what you said.

[Allied General]

No, what I meant is he probably had no personal feelings about Jesus of Nazareth. To him, he was just another man to do with someone else's religion. Pilate probably just wanted to get his job in the middle of nowhere over with so he could go home and run for the senate or a government position with more importance than the governor of some far-flung province. He crucified him to prevent a riot, and probably didn't even care who he was or what he was preaching about. A little disturbing, but Jesus really wasn't all that important a person in the grand scheme of things.

well i think he did it unwillingly because he did ask the crowd several times not to and instead crucify the convicted murderer instead.

"A little disturbing, but Jesus really wasn't all that important a person in the grand scheme of things."

Well maybe to Pilate but for Christians he is simply fufilling the word of God which lead to Christianity.

[Jsmooth13]

Yeah, which makes him very important.

[Andre27]

I'm going with the Bible on this one:

I don't understand this debate which is going on. It may have been fortold that Judas would betray, but he still made the choice himself. In my perspective this makes him evil.

Mark.14

[10] And Judas Iscariot, one of the twelve, went unto the chief priests, to betray him unto them.

[18] And as they sat and did eat, Jesus said, Verily I say unto you, One of you which eateth with me shall betray me.
[19] And they began to be sorrowful, and to say unto him one by one, Is it I? and another said, Is it I?
[20] And he answered and said unto them, It is one of the twelve, that dippeth with me in the dish.
[21] The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.

Edited by Andre27, 20 February 2006 - 12:59 AM.

[Allied General]

yeah true, he made the choice to an evil act.

Betrayal is the evil i.e. the sin

Judas the man was not evil but his action was.

[Ash]

Wait...if he was predestined to do it (and Jesus himself even said 'one of you will betray me'), how is it his choice?

Free will and fate are opposites.

[MSpencer]

Actually, Jesus really wasn't all that important. Yes he did some preaching, and then he died, but it was the people after his death that unleashed Christianity on the world. If Jesus had lived, there would have been no unification between the various sects of what was then proto-Christianity, and it's likely it would have grown no larger than Judaism.

[Allied General]

yes the death was important but christianity didn't properly exist until the holy spirit came and the apostles began spreading the word to gentiles and jews unlike.

Also I'm sorry but Christ unimportant?

Christianity, Jesus Christ, an religion which is based upon mainly one man's action so how can he be unimportant?

Christianity is not about praising death you know, its the fact the he rose after 3 days which unified the people who were sitting on the bench so to speak.

Finally Christianity, the old teachers of judaism could have easily crushed the spreaching of Christianity and they could have done it a lot quicker but one of the teachers of there law said if it is lead by man it will fail as was shown when another guy claimed to be the Messiah but if it is god given then nothing can stop it.

And even when Saul (now Paul) was a zealot and persecuting jews he eventually became the main driving force behind the conversion of gentiles (i.e non jews) into God's kingdom.

God, religion is about faith and trust.

That is the christian viewpoint, some of you perfer just plain logic, life is black and white answers. Some believe life is finite, once you are worm food or ash u remain that way.

Others of us choose to believe there is some other purpose other then to simply reproduce and screw up the planet and all life on it which lets face is, its the ultimate product of human so called advancement.

Wait...if he was predestined to do it (and Jesus himself even said 'one of you will betray me'), how is it his choice?

Free will and fate are opposites.

For such an avid fan of socialism/communism, Ash you should understand the common/greater good for all of society and this would be reflected in Christ's decision.

Edited by Allied General, 20 February 2006 - 04:34 PM.