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[Hostile]

In an unprecidented move today, the worlds leader in captialism had decided to give most of it away.
http://money.cnn.com...dex.htm?cnn=yes

It is interesting to note that someone who is the second richest man in the world and has proven capitalism works for those who choose to learn it's magical ways, had decided to give most of it away to the public foundations that exist.

A true philanthropist. Now that these foundations are even better funded we have to ask what will they do with all this tax free money?

Anyone who understands capitalism understands rich peope hide thier money in non profit organizations they call "Foundations" It's a tax free shelter to keep thier money away from thier own personal wealth.

Like the Ford Foundation, Ford made alot of money, where do you put it all? Somewhere that is designated as non-profit. Protects thier assets you know, tax free investments in a non-profit sector. Absolutely brilliant...

But these foundations are now able to fund great works like improvement in the worlds issues. For example build a new wing into a campus and ensure that the university adheres to "certain" criteria. (hence policy making)

It can be for good or bad depending on the foundation. Some foundations buy thier way into policy making by forcing left wing ideas. Some foundations buy thier way into policy making by forcing right wing ideas.

The principal is actually a very old idea on the way to hide money, not limited to capitalist by any means. If an individual has alot of money they become targets. But if an institution has the money it's alot harder to nail to the wall.

By definition a foundation is the base of a larger entity. Oh, you know, like how Al-Qaeda means (the base) used by every notable entity in modern history. A place to funnel funds from individuals to institutions to harbor the money for other means.

What those other means are are always subject to the idealogy of the foundation itself. In history, if an individual gets to rich, they create an institution to dump thier wealth into. Safe against private seizures, ambigiously held, and so on.

Should be better placed in a catagory such as, "the games rich people play" and you all know rich people have no political idealogy. Politics are for commoners. We are talking about a level of control that supercedes goverments.

[Comrade Kal]

One capitalist gave away some money! Now look at al the capitalists that horde all their money away. To say nothing of the fact that their money is tainted with the blood of the poor!

[Allied General]

rather extreme lord kal comment, blood of the poor

[Comrade Kal]

It's true... i'm more of a moral crusader nowadays. I drunk my last bottle of coke in my lifetime today...

[Allied General]

live in the jungle or the countryside then with nature.

your using a capitalist instrument right now

[Beowulf]

It's true... i'm more of a moral crusader nowadays. I drunk my last bottle of coke in my lifetime today...

Now do everyone a favor and stop using the Internet.

[Comrade Kal]

Ahaha! You jest. Or is it simply because of the fact that you can't bear to accept that those delicious drinks, cheap sportswear, and the oil you fun your gas-guzzling cars on are all made with the blood of poor foreigners?

Treat other people as you would wish to be treated yourself. If i'm dying of thirst because my river's been drained in Africa, i'm not going to want some western cunt to be supporting the company.

Mostly though, i'm sick of the "oh, you don't want to exploit third world workers and not care about people dying? WELL WHY DON'T YOU JUST GO AND FUCKING LIVE IN A FOREST THEN?"... seriously, where did that argument come from? What's that all about?

Edited by Comrade Kal, 30 June 2006 - 09:48 PM.

[Beowulf]

No, I do not jest! I'm completely fucking serious.
If you're so hellbent on the plight of these people, do your part instead of saying that's we should do.

[Comrade Kal]

i'm doing a damn sight more than you'll ever do, you lazy middle-class ignorant selfish fucking waste of space.

[Allied General]

Kal all I see you do is rant about hilarious subjects.

The moment u said giving up coke is a moral crusade I wanted to rofl with laughter.

And hes right stop using the internet, its built on poor people blood

[Beowulf]

i'm doing a damn sight more than you'll ever do, you lazy middle-class ignorant selfish fucking waste of space.

Congratulations! You've proven the point I made to AG! You're nothing more than a trend-following, angsty teenage bitch!

[Comrade Kal]

Coke was a metaphor more than anything. For other things... it's just an example. I didn't say "I, Callum Hamilton, have given up coca-cola and as a result have saved 5.4million africans."

So because I'm not toally blind to the evils of late western capitalism i'm 'an angsty trend-following bitch'? When did you last shop in a supermarket chain? Or wear nike or adidas? Or drink coca-cola?

[Allied General]

I drink coke cos I have spare money £ and last time I checked my family needed food to survive and we can't all go to independent, organic growing producers who are also making money to live and generally operate in society.

All you are doing is boycotting goods.

Countries and governments do that all the time.

E.g. French wiv UK beef and USA with japanese imports and capitalist parents with GM food or even vegetarians.

You could learn to live with nature, knit your own clothes and grow your own food if your so against western society.

Also go to www.crimethinc.com now people, you can buy anti-capitalist goods using capitalist $

Finally Kal you should be thankful you have enough to eat and you life in a society which won't kill you for talking all your crap.

Edited by Allied General, 30 June 2006 - 11:43 PM.

[Comrade Kal]

They make money, they don't illegally drain rivers and starve people in africa.

Crimethinc sells the stuff at the value it costs to produce it. They don't make a profit. Unless you expect them to dole it out for free, when the guy doesn't even have a full-time job.

Edited by Comrade Kal, 30 June 2006 - 11:46 PM.

[Beowulf]

Coke was a metaphor more than anything. For other things... it's just an example. I didn't say "I, Callum Hamilton, have given up coca-cola and as a result have saved 5.4million africans."

Good for you. You saved lives! Someday, someone will have to save your life as you live on the street because you hate Western society. Congratulations!

So because I'm not toally blind to the evils of late western capitalism i'm 'an angsty trend-following bitch'? When did you last shop in a supermarket chain? Or wear nike or adidas? Or drink coca-cola?

Western society is not perfect, I admit this. However, it seems to me that you change idealogies every few months because that's what suits you at the time and lately, it's becoming "cool" to be against "the man." This makes you a NO GOOD DIRTY HIPPIE!

EDIT: I shopped at Wal-Mart yesterday, bought a card, frozen pizzas and a Dr. Pepper. Holy shit. How evil is that?!

They make money, they don't illegally drain rivers and starve people in africa.

Yes, that happens.[/sarcasm]
I guess if the same lie is repeated enough times, it becomes the truth to some.

Edited by Beowulf, 30 June 2006 - 11:49 PM.

[Allied General]

but remember the $ are built on the blood of the poor

Your such a hypocrite Kal you said money was the source of all evil yet you support a site which makes it?

Where did the paper come from to the make the books come from?

For all i could know you just helped child slavery by purchasing such media.

I find it hilarious how you contradict yourself by saying this website makes money but is good but all companies are evil and kill people intentionally.

Crimethinc sells the stuff at the value it costs to produce it. They don't make a profit. Unless you expect them to dole it out for free, when the guy doesn't even have a full-time job.

Yes I do expect it to be all free, charities can do it and mass advertising can.

The site is using the tools of evil to achieve its means of transmission.

Honestly Kal.

Edited by Allied General, 30 June 2006 - 11:50 PM.

[Comrade Kal]

Coke was a metaphor more than anything. For other things... it's just an example. I didn't say "I, Callum Hamilton, have given up coca-cola and as a result have saved 5.4million africans."

Good for you. You saved lives! Someday, someone will have to save your life as you live on the street because you hate Western society. Congratulations!

Oh god! I saved lives! What a total dick I must be!

So because I'm not toally blind to the evils of late western capitalism i'm 'an angsty trend-following bitch'? When did you last shop in a supermarket chain? Or wear nike or adidas? Or drink coca-cola?

Western society is not perfect, I admit this. However, it seems to me that you change idealogies every few months because that's what suits you at the time and lately, it's becoming "cool" to be against "the man." This makes you a NO GOOD DIRTY HIPPIE!

Yes! because for people who masturbate in the dark to cartoons, anything that's cool must be immediately wrong! Do you really think all these people around the world fight for fashion?!

They make money, they don't illegally drain rivers and starve people in africa.

Yes, that happens.[/sarcasm]
I guess if the same lie is repeated enough times, it becomes the truth to some.

http://www.monbiot.c...-from-the-poor/

"Whatever you make of Papworth’s prescription, there’s nothing wrong with his analysis. The values of supermarkets are characteristically shaky, frequently criminal. In East Africa, white growers contracted to British superstores are now stealing water allocated to some of the poorest and most vulnerable people on earth. The Ewasongiro River, on which the livelihood of tens of thousands of central Kenyans depends, has run dry as a result of illegal pumping. Starvation in central Kenya is now directly attributable to Britain’s consumption of unseasonal mange tout."

Read the news sometime.


I didn't say it MADE money other than what it costs to produce it! That's a 0% profit! I AM NOT A FUCKING PRIMITIVIST. I never said "yes, we should all live in treehouses." I'm not a hypocrite for using money, i live in a capitalist society and to top it all off I'M ONLY 16!!! I don't even have a place tomyself so doing HALF of the things you suggested are frankly impossible.

Edited by Comrade Kal, 30 June 2006 - 11:51 PM.

[Allied General]

The news is a capitalist tool

People there have jobs and go to supermarkets

In anarchy there is no reliable establishment.

And no it isn't impossible kal your just a dumb teenager in a western society.

Roman times people got married at 10-12 and in primitive cultures they hunt, go to war, etc.

Edited by Allied General, 30 June 2006 - 11:54 PM.

[Comrade Kal]

But anachy has worked in two countries before, and was only ended by foreign invasion.

[Allied General]

2 countries kal, how many countries are there in the world?

what countries are those?

do u actually have any concrete facts?

also for all you could know it could be a dictatorship masking the illusion of wonderful anarchy.

most anarchy is the result the loss of centralised power thus there is a power vaccum with people struggling to gain power and control.

I didn't say it MADE money other than what it costs to produce it! That's a 0% profit! I AM NOT A FUCKING PRIMITIVIST. I never said "yes, we should all live in treehouses." I'm not a hypocrite for using money, i live in a capitalist society and to top it all off I'M ONLY 16!!! I don't even have a place tomyself so doing HALF of the things you suggested are frankly impossible.

The primitivist arguement kal is also hypocrite cos without companies we all become primitives.

How do we make industrialised goods or run services without companies or incentives to do so?

We end up going back to the dark ages where people work 24/7 every day for every human being on the planet.

Capitalism gives at least some people at break from that routine.

Also Kal your a anarchist, try acting like a brave one instead of using dirty captialist poor blood money

Edited by Allied General, 01 July 2006 - 12:01 AM.