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[MSpencer]

I know of no country called Liban. I don't think my argument is exactly null and void.

[Blodo]

... Lebanon. Goddammit.

[Tom]

Hybrid what are you smoking? Do you honestly believe that 9/11 was a plot set up by the Central Intellegence Agency?

Not the CIA entirely, but there was government involvement, those buildings did not come down due to jet fuel. Again "who benefits?" Not some arabs hijacking a plane, those who benefitted are still in power today. Funny coincidence that. "Security" from next possible terrorist attacks. They evidently mean security for themselves not the common man, but if you can paint illusions in peoples minds they will buckle and submit themselves to you. Just ask yourself who has the most to lose, us or elite rich. There could be many reasons they want to "secure themselves" in power, either because of a human awakening or merely because of greed.

Israel is doing what israel does best, killing people pointlessly. Whether they setup a border zone or not, its not defense to kill innocent civilians because you don't know what the fuck your doing or who the fuck your trying to fight. If they are fighting terrorists why bomb innocent civilians and cities? Its bollacks spence don't tell me you believe the shit thats coming out on the media.

[Jsmooth13]

The buildings came down because the second plane hit right in the middle of the tower, the structualry weakest point. If the second plane hadn't hit there and that tower fallen, the first tower never would have fallen because it was completly stable until WTC 2 fell.

I understand what your saying, but that would be like saying the Allies made up the concentration camp thing. These things just don't happen to benefit people. What does the government get out of it anyway? A nation furious with them for going to war in places they never belonged in the first place.

[MSpencer]

What I said was about Lebanon. They're talking about just a border defense zone. Read the articles, I'm quite correct.

[Blodo]

Dude. They have attacked southern Lebanon. You call that a border zone defense?

[Jsmooth13]

I call it Agressive Defense.

[MSpencer]

Yes, they attacked Lebanon, however they're willing to pursue a ceasefire if they can create a buffer zone. Again, read the articles that are all over the major news networks...
I don't say these things for my health.

[Blodo]

They want to occupy part of Lebanon again. Isn't it obvious? I didn't think I needed to point out that this is again an unjustified police action by Israel. Also the fact alone that they are always bombing civilian targets by direct military means should prove their intentions. They bombed the only international airport, cities, roads. It's an invasion. They are just talking about this buffer zone bullshit so that the world will not come running.

[MSpencer]

Israel's been invaded so many times by Arab countries around it, you have to forgive them sometimes if they get a bit eccentric.
Nobody came running when the united Arab states invaded Israel the twelve or so times they've done so.

[Drewry]

Wasn't there a UN resolution that said that Israel had to get out of lebanon in exchange for lebanon getting rid of hezbollah? So if that is true, then Israel has a right to attack lebanon to get hezbollah out, since Lebanon had several years to do it theirselves.

[Blodo]

Everyone fails to mention how Hezbollah is donating to the country, keeping educational institutions up and generally helping Lebanon. Sure, let's hurt them either way. Besides, it's clearly Israels fault. They were looking for a reason, even though that soldier could've came back alive. He didn't thanks to his criminal government.

[MSpencer]

Because benign organizations always shoot missiles into populated cities.
I must've missed that part in the mission statement of Amnesty International, or perhaps the WHO.

[duke_Qa]

missiles that will hit even if they create that bufferzone.

they might have fired a ton of missiles, but extremely few of them actually have hit anything. compared to Israel, the Hezbollah guerilla has a much better military/civilian kill ratio. well, its kinda hard not to hit military targets when you are aiming rockets at the worlds 4th biggest military power.

buffer zone for the safety of Israel? they are practically bombing every human construction in south Lebanon, which is like 20% of the entire country. why arent they really moving their own cities on their own side further south to equalize the bufferzone on that side? do i sense a certain touch of superiority here?

thats my main problem with Israel these days, they use their military power to make their country's existence much better, and they don't care at all about what they do to the other countries and people around them to get it that way. if we call them racists/nationalists, they cry and call us anti-semitists, and then continue to suppress the people that are not Israelis.

if the Middle east turned against the Israelis, it would be a foolish thing to defend them. their politics are nationalistic and destructive and suppressive and not too far away from a authoritarian regime. exept for the fact that it does not keep its population suppressed with weapons and fear(hybrids theories of brainwashing the population would fit perfectly in here), but those who are nearby and not a part of their country.

[Capt.Drake]

In my Opinion Israel is doing the right thing, even if they could scale it down a bit by caring a bit more about civilians. But there is another problem! Where would you as a terroist build your bunker? Under a ten floor building with flats full of civilians, so you can say that your damn enemys are keeping killing civilians.
By the way we won't gona have the 3rd world war!! there are just two countries who can do and would do sth against Israel, Syria and Iran, how many countries are there on the world? And does Syria has the Power to do really much against Israel? Not really! Maybe all the Tanks on Israels northern Border are there to say Syria, do sth and we'll get you!
By the way most other countries in the area won't do sth, egypt saudi arabia have the power but won't do sth because of political reasons and the other countires are to sammal or don't have a big military!

[Hostile]

Damn I wish I knew what "sth" meant.
MAybe the user meant SHIT? My guess..

IF he meant shit, than I suppose I need to ask. If somone fires missiles and misses vs someone who fires missles that hit, is the result the same?

Let'say Hezbollah, killed more people with the attacks? Would that justify the situation? OR is the fact they fired them enough to come to that decision, in the first place?

[Blodo]

Obviously the Hezbollah are terrorists. Everyone who doesn't agree with America or it's allies is a terrorist. It's a general rule of thumb. Herr Bush even said it himself, if anybody remembers the quote.

[Hostile]

Let us create a scenerio where Hezbollah wins and Israel is destroyed. Even with it's nukes, lets say Israel is wiped off the map like you want it to be.

Than it appears Islamic Facists will create a dynasty. And the will surely will not stop there. So destroy Israel and peace will reign? Except that the Islamic Faciscts plan on creating a world Islamic One World Nation?

How does does one dispute the Islamic Facist? Freedom of speech? :( Let them talk? Oh my....thant's like letting Hitler discuss his idea.

That is very bad...

[Capt.Drake]

Ok, for me sth meanst something, we use it in school here!
Boldo I have to disagree with you, not all countries how disagree with the US are Terrorists for them it's more or less that most of these countries support terrorists or most of them has sth to do with it, and the rest gets ignored.
Then another reason why the situation is getting so bad there is because the USA have the worst President in History, together with Jimmy Carter(Hope I said the right one!)!

[Tom]

Wouldn't be any different from global corporatists creating a one world nation hostile. Your forgetting that, theres more going on here that just Israel "defending" itself. Its called money, money is in the middle east, thats why israel was created because its been used time and time again to make money as well as cause instability within the region. Instability = war, war = money. Global Corporatists are using israel, you really sure the CIA/MI5/MI6 had nothing to do with those soldiers disappearance, how much do we know about Hezbollah, how much do we know about Bin Laden? Not much, just what the corporate media tells us. Another surprise huh...

We've set ourselves up for this manipulation, we can't even pretend we know whats going on in the middle east. The media is not considered "official" in my eyes, it only comes under one/two catergories: Bollacks and Propaganda.