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[Antonius]

Hello everyone, i've been following the development of this mod for quite some time now - and its looking impressive, i like the new features and the attention to Canon. Thanks Phoenix, superb work, i understand its not easy to put together such an ambitious mod. There are a lot of mods out there which add a plethora of new units, planets etc but are usually not balanced and as a result they end up ruining rather than enhancing the EaW experience - so its good to see modders who go through the pain of actually ensuring decent balance within their mods.

Skimming through the forum posts i've become aware that the Eclipse in your mod is not boned and only has the Super Laser as a weapon. However I don't know if this has already come to your attention, but a community modder Lord X has released a fully boned Eclipse, ready to be outfitted with a planet's worth of weaponry The Vengeance and Viscount class SSDs have also been boned.

The link is here: http://empireatwar.f...odel_Pack;83074

I'm really looking forward to see a Fully Operational Eclipse in your mod,
Keep up the Great work Phoenix

[Phoenix Rising]

Thanks and welcome to the forums . I'm still expecting to have either the Eclipse-class or the Sovereign-class fully-operational before the release, but it will require some creativity to overcome the burden of 1125 firing bones and respective hardpoints. I have ideas, they just haven't been tested yet, but they're on the to-do list.

[Darth Stalin]

I know that this is a "little" old thread and probably the Eclipse will not be included in the PR, as the Sovereign is, yet the fully operational Eclipse is working in the Ultimate Empire at War mod - so if neede maybe their team could lend the model/hardpoints etc.?

[Kitkun]

The Sov does pretty much the same thing as the Eclipse. Also, 2 SSDs are a lot as is.

[Tropical Bob]

We could make it so that the Eclipse-class is in the mod solely to be Palpatine's flagship, for the sake of appearance and canon.

I do like the idea of the New Republic getting the Viscount-class though, if PR is willing to try and fit that into the mod? The NR is deperately in need of a ship that can counter the Imperial Dreadnoughts. And I mean a ship, not tons of bombers.

[keraunos]

I agree on Viscount, but I still have doubts about Eclipse. After all, we do have Sovereign, and coding thousand of hardpoints just to get diffrent model isn't - IMO - worth it.

[coinich]

Somehow, I'd rather see a MC90 than the Viscount; it seems like such a size jump, beyond the large MC120s out there. I'd much rather have a few MC90s take on a single Executor rather than one or two Viscounts. It seems more fitting for the New Republic; its still not as strong as the Empire was.

[Tropical Bob]

Not even a few MC90s could take on an Executor-class, let alone a superlaser-equipped Sovereign-class. They'd fall like Grunts to Master Chief.

Both would be good, but I think that the Viscount-class is the more important addition to the Rebel/New Republic arsenal that we could make.

[Darth Stalin]

IMHO it all depends how far into the New Republic era the PR-mod will reach... IIRC the UEaW team is not going to go into Yuuzhan Vong war and other events... yet what about PR?
IMHO prepairing new ships for Imperial Remnants, Sith Empire, "Restored Empire" and other factions of the period could mean making some 2-3 times more ships than are present now... with tonnes of coding, new textures, models etc....

[coinich]

My apologies; I thought the Mediator was the MC90. I'd rather see Mediators over Viscounts, but MC90s would be good as well...

[anakinskysolo]

I started making an MC90, it looks pretty good, but its a lot of work. Anyway, I'm on vacations now so I will try to finish it.

[Tropical Bob]

Well, part of PR is that "what-if" scenario...So what if the New Republic decided to start building large ships earlier than 24 ABY?

The Mediator-class is highly unreliable, however. The length isn't even certain, let alone what kinds of armaments it has.

[Phoenix Rising]

Somehow, I'd rather see a MC90 than the Viscount; it seems like such a size jump, beyond the large MC120s out there.

Sadly, I didn't get to the MC80 changes in time for v1.1, so I'll have to figure out a way to make those unique before adding a MC90. They're really some of the most uninspiring ships to upgrade though, since they were all given blanket WEG stats and haven't seriously been further explored since. It'd be like the ISD if the heavy guns weren't so apparent on the model .

Not even a few MC90s could take on an Executor-class, let alone a superlaser-equipped Sovereign-class.

They could if you were reading some EU authors, LOL.

IMHO it all depends how far into the New Republic era the PR-mod will reach... IIRC the UEaW team is not going to go into Yuuzhan Vong war and other events... yet what about PR?

We can go up to 30 ABY in terms of units. That doesn't necessarily mean there will be Vong, but that ships like the Ranger and Viscount are "on the table".

The Mediator-class is highly unreliable, however. The length isn't even certain, let alone what kinds of armaments it has.

It doesn't even have a canon appearance yet.

[coinich]

Ooooh, Bothan Assault Cruiser!

[Tropical Bob]

Not even a few MC90s could take on an Executor-class, let alone a superlaser-equipped Sovereign-class.

They could if you were reading some EU authors, LOL.

Oh, how sadly true...

IMHO it all depends how far into the New Republic era the PR-mod will reach... IIRC the UEaW team is not going to go into Yuuzhan Vong war and other events... yet what about PR?

We can go up to 30 ABY in terms of units. That doesn't necessarily mean there will be Vong, but that ships like the Ranger and Viscount are "on the table".

I demand that you put the Vong "on the table"!!!

The Mediator-class is highly unreliable, however. The length isn't even certain, let alone what kinds of armaments it has.

It doesn't even have a canon appearance yet.

It appeared first in Vector Prime, orbiting between Osarian and Rhommamool. Unfortunately, we only know that it's anywhere from a little bigger than a Miid Ro'ik, to half the size of a Viscount-class. So the armament could be anywhere from comparative to an Imperial-class to half the Viscount-class's, which is a very large discrepancy.

I suppose one good thing that PR could do by adding it would be to adding to establishing its role and stats. If anyone outside those who play the mod cared, of course.

[g_core18]

I think he meant there are no canon images of it out there, just the fanon pics/models.

[Phoenix Rising]

I demand that you put the Vong "on the table"!!!

It's not really even a possibility until we can find a way for tech to work for the CSA.

[anakinskysolo]

Somehow, I'd rather see a MC90 than the Viscount; it seems like such a size jump, beyond the large MC120s out there.

Sadly, I didn't get to the MC80 changes in time for v1.1, so I'll have to figure out a way to make those unique before adding a MC90. They're really some of the most uninspiring ships to upgrade though, since they were all given blanket WEG stats and haven't seriously been further explored since. It'd be like the ISD if the heavy guns weren't so apparent on the model .

Mmmm... That's true. But are you really willing to add it to the game?

Not even a few MC90s could take on an Executor-class, let alone a superlaser-equipped Sovereign-class.

They could if you were reading some EU authors, LOL.

Yeah, mostly Kevin J. Anderson, during Darksaber he shows the MC90 Galactic Voyager and four DP20 Corellian Gunships being able to survive a long time against an Executor-class SSD and 20 Victory SDs, even destroying 3 Victories and most fighters with only three gunships destroyed.
The other author that had no idea of SW ships was Kristine Kathryn Rusch. In The New Rebellion, the space battle against Kueller's forces was laughable. Three "automated" Victory-class SDs (and it is shown that being "automated" was better than having a live crew, even if the commanding computer is so stupid to think that an enemy's ship had turned to its side because it fired a few wide shots at the computer's enemies) are almost able to defeat two brand new MC90s, an MC80, some Nebulon-Bs and a couple of CR90 Corvettes with Wedge Antilles as their commander, and would have done so if Wedge had not come up with that "brilliant" tactic that I mentioned before. They were even able to destroy the MC80 cruiser.

IMHO it all depends how far into the New Republic era the PR-mod will reach... IIRC the UEaW team is not going to go into Yuuzhan Vong war and other events... yet what about PR?

We can go up to 30 ABY in terms of units. That doesn't necessarily mean there will be Vong, but that ships like the Ranger and Viscount are "on the table".

Again, are you saying that you are considering adding the Viscount to the game?

[Phoenix Rising]

The other author that had no idea of SW ships was Kristine Kathryn Rusch. In The New Rebellion, the space battle against Kueller's forces was laughable.

That's the only SW book that I just could not finish. I honestly stopped reading it partway through. That was at least 10 years ago though.

Again, are you saying that you are considering adding the Viscount to the game?

No, not quite - I'm not saying either way. Just that it falls within the scope of our timeline.

[coinich]

I certainly know that you can't add every ship that gets a passing reference, but what about the Gladiator-class Star Destroyer? It would fill the niche of an Imperial gunboat/assaultboat; its armament was mainly concussion missiles and proton torpedoes, with only light turbolasers and point defence systems. It had a large hangar for around two squadrons. EvilleJedi even has a model for it. It just seems to me it might fit as a heavy frigate for the Imperials; they have precious little in that class beyond the Carrack and Nebulon light frigates; nothing that can stand up to a little more abuse.