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[Casen]

I'm not fond of the Yuuzhan Vong for the reason's stated; they destroy and change too many things. I honestly wish they had released Alpha Red.

About ground battles I want there to be epic ground battles as well. I just imagine wide open plains with AT-AT's, AT-PTs, AT-STs, Juggernaughts, etc crossing...oh man.

[Kaleb Graff]

I'm not fond of the Yuuzhan Vong for the reason's stated; they destroy and change too many things. I honestly wish they had released Alpha Red.

About ground battles I want there to be epic ground battles as well. I just imagine wide open plains with AT-AT's, AT-PTs, AT-STs, Juggernaughts, etc crossing...oh man.

Definitely. That, and the way it ended, were not that much fun. Omni dies, and they all surrender.

[anakinskysolo]

They do destroy many of the iconic planets I guess, and kill off a few notable characters. I personally like the series though. What I don't get is the real late Legacy era from the comics... that's a little too far "out there" for me yet (not that I've actually read them).

I literally hate the Legacy series. It shows that everything Luke & Co. did was useless in the end: fifty years later the galaxy is in chaos again and the Sith govern it. I would have expected something like that to happen 5000 years ABY, I think that Luke deserved a lot more than what he was given for what he did for the galaxy. It makes all the characters' sacrifices completely pointless.

[Pred the Penguin]

I actually think introducing the Vong was a good idea, I just don't like how the series was handled. There were a few books i liked, but most of it was kinda weird.

Don't even get me started on the Legacy... *shivers*

Legacy era comics probably would've been better a few thousand years later after instead of a few generations....

[Phoenix Rising]

I actually think introducing the Vong was a good idea, I just don't like how the series was handled. There were a few books i liked, but most of it was kinda weird.

I agree. Just contrast Dark Journey with Enemy Lines. DJ has one of the worst battle sequences in a SW novel ever; EL is nothing but a battle sequence. Not to mention, in the middle of an intergalactic war, possibly the least interesting thing to write about would be Hapan court drama.

Edited by Phoenix Rising, 11 January 2009 - 04:35 AM.

[Pred the Penguin]

lolz... I forgot all about that. XD

I don't think I even have Enemy Lines. o_o

Traitor was a pretty fun read, but I don't think it helped out the series that much... =/

[RyanK]

Personally i have only read 2 or 3 of the NJO books, but i really enjoyed them. I liked it how the New Republic was pushed back and had to fight for it's survival again, it made it more interesting and dynamic. I also really liked the battle for Ebaq 9 and the whole trap set be Ackbar. The Yuuzhan Vong add something different and interesting to the whole 'saga'.

[SpardaSon21]

I liked the general idea of the Vong. The galaxy needed a change from resurgent Imperials/Sith every 10 years. But a lot of it was just ludicrous and unbelievable. Legacy was okay, the books with the Mandalorians were better (Mandalorians make EVERYTHING better) however towards the end the books suffered from "Quantum of Solace Syndrome" where they started cutting from place to place, tying up loose ends all the way so fast you end up wondering just what the hell happened.

[Kaleb Graff]

I literally hate the Legacy series. It shows that everything Luke & Co. did was useless in the end: fifty years later the galaxy is in chaos again and the Sith govern it. I would have expected something like that to happen 5000 years ABY, I think that Luke deserved a lot more than what he was given for what he did for the galaxy. It makes all the characters' sacrifices completely pointless.

That is one frusterating thing. Maybe Skywalkers attract trouble, and if they all died, the galaxy would be at peace again. Still, I'm not sure. Couldn't Luke get a break, though?

I agree. Just contrast Dark Journey with Enemy Lines. DJ has one of the worst battle sequences in a SW novel ever; EL is nothing but a battle sequence. Not to mention, in the middle of an intergalactic war, possibly the least interesting thing to write about would be Hapan court drama.

Enemy Lines is good, but I think that it might have been better in Kube-McDowell's hands.

lolz... I forgot all about that. XD

I don't think I even have Enemy Lines. o_o

Traitor was a pretty fun read, but I don't think it helped out the series that much... =/

That one irritated me. We had a world with clear light and dark, and Stover goes and throws it out for a murky, intentions-based system. Makes RPG much harder in handing out Dark Side Points.

I liked the general idea of the Vong. The galaxy needed a change from resurgent Imperials/Sith every 10 years. But a lot of it was just ludicrous and unbelievable. Legacy was okay, the books with the Mandalorians were better (Mandalorians make EVERYTHING better) however towards the end the books suffered from "Quantum of Solace Syndrome" where they started cutting from place to place, tying up loose ends all the way so fast you end up wondering just what the hell happened.

I have come to hate the Mandalorians because Karen Travis is obsessed with them, and I hate her. In the story in my head where Mara doesn't die, Boba Fett does, just to make Travis cry.

[Tropical Bob]

I liked the general idea of the Vong. The galaxy needed a change from resurgent Imperials/Sith every 10 years. But a lot of it was just ludicrous and unbelievable. Legacy was okay, the books with the Mandalorians were better (Mandalorians make EVERYTHING better) however towards the end the books suffered from "Quantum of Solace Syndrome" where they started cutting from place to place, tying up loose ends all the way so fast you end up wondering just what the hell happened.

I think that the Vong are actually more believable, because it isn't another "ZoMg, teh another massive lost fleet has come back to desteroyz us!" or "ZOmg, teh another secretly built fleet has emerged to desteroyz us!" How many secret fleets can be built, and massive fleets disappear, in one galaxy? There are only so many civilizations with proper facilities to build a fleet at all, let alone a big one, and most of them aren't going to hate every other species nor be stupid enough to lose said fleet. And at least it's not something from the Unknown Regions, because we all know the Chiss own the other species there.

They're something new and completely alien to the galaxy, which makes them that much harder to understand and defeat.

I literally hate the Legacy series. It shows that everything Luke & Co. did was useless in the end: fifty years later the galaxy is in chaos again and the Sith govern it. I would have expected something like that to happen 5000 years ABY, I think that Luke deserved a lot more than what he was given for what he did for the galaxy. It makes all the characters' sacrifices completely pointless.

There are a lot of sacrifices throughout the Star Wars universe. Most of them are going to end up being in vain.

The galaxy has been in constant turmoil since the Clone Wars, so it's not really anything new.

That one irritated me. We had a world with clear light and dark, and Stover goes and throws it out for a murky, intentions-based system. Makes RPG much harder in handing out Dark Side Points.

So you don't like it because it's harder to get Dark Side Points in RPG...? I think it's more realistic, because there's never anything that's as clear as Light and Dark. Everything's just a shade of gray.

I have come to hate the Mandalorians because Karen Travis is obsessed with them, and I hate her. In the story in my head where Mara doesn't die, Boba Fett does, just to make Travis cry.

Ugh. The Mandalorians...The Legacy series went waaayyy overboard with them. I like how they gave a Boba Fett a previously unseen facet, but everything was just too centered on them. Especially the whole "Only fighting like a Mandalorian will allow you to defeat Jacen Solo" thing. I mean, come on...If Jacen is so powerful (He can see countless branches of the future based on several different factors, become invisible in the Force and to the eye, probably teleport himself and objects, etc...Oh, but wait, the authors forgot he could do all of that...), how can a bit of randomness conquer him?

The Mandalorians were overplayed, and Jacen Solo was underplayed.

[Phoenix Rising]

I don't think I even have Enemy Lines. o_o

If you like copious space combat (which I obviously do), it's worth a read.

How many secret fleets can be built, and massive fleets disappear, in one galaxy?

I don't think they ever explained the loss of the Intimidator though. That might be a good story, but they'd have to get someone familiar with the Unknown Regions to write it.

That one irritated me. We had a world with clear light and dark, and Stover goes and throws it out for a murky, intentions-based system. Makes RPG much harder in handing out Dark Side Points.

So you don't like it because it's harder to get Dark Side Points in RPG...? I think it's more realistic, because there's never anything that's as clear as Light and Dark. Everything's just a shade of gray.

I thought the Legacy Era would be an age of post-extremist Force philosophy, but (from the little I've gathered) it goes back to Jedi vs. Sith again? Huh?

[Pred the Penguin]

I like Mandos, but I agree that Karen went overboard with them in Legacy series...

Here's something I don't get... If the Skywalkers are supposed to bring balance to the force, then why the h*ll is the Galaxy always in some kind of "peril?"

You could argue that peace-time is boring, but I for one would think it'd be interesting to see Jedi act like real galactic police for once. =/

I'd also like to see tons more Old Republic books...

[Tropical Bob]

I thought the Legacy Era would be an age of post-extremist Force philosophy, but (from the little I've gathered) it goes back to Jedi vs. Sith again? Huh?

In the beginning, the new Jedi Order supposedly uses a system of "do what needs to be done," but other moments kinda refute that.

And then, yes, it turns into Jedi vs. Sith once again.

[Kaleb Graff]

That's actually one good point about the New Republic books. The villains aren't Sith. They're evil, but the Sith were defeated, and we don't see them again. My problem with the less-firm DSP rules is that it allows players to get away with a lot more stuff then before without getting DSPs, which I don't agree with.

[Darth Nal]

I like Mandos, but I agree that Karen went overboard with them in Legacy series...

Here's something I don't get... If the Skywalkers are supposed to bring balance to the force, then why the h*ll is the Galaxy always in some kind of "peril?"

You could argue that peace-time is boring, but I for one would think it'd be interesting to see Jedi act like real galactic police for once. =/

I'd also like to see tons more Old Republic books...

The whole legacy series was a waste of paper, the NJO was a nice ending so they should have left it there and gone on to explore other thing like the chiss and older BBY events... but nooooo!! they forge ahead with the franchise into places no one wanted it to go... *sign*
I believe that only one Skywalker was supposed to bring balance and he didn't do a great job of it really, ok so he killed off one of the great sith masters.. but then soo what? seems that every 1000 years or so another one pops up to annoy the galaxy once again!
Peace time being boring? well some of the better novels where wrote during war time (Thrawn Trilogy) but it was because they had good plot.. something that seems to be lacking in todays literiture, they seem to have gone for the 'lets write lots of books in a long series ' whilst not giving proper thought to where it's going and why... and how it fits in with whats already happened.
Sorry i'm ranting away here

[SpardaSon21]

Ugh. The Mandalorians...The Legacy series went waaayyy overboard with them. I like how they gave a Boba Fett a previously unseen facet, but everything was just too centered on them. Especially the whole "Only fighting like a Mandalorian will allow you to defeat Jacen Solo" thing. I mean, come on...If Jacen is so powerful (He can see countless branches of the future based on several different factors, become invisible in the Force and to the eye, probably teleport himself and objects, etc...Oh, but wait, the authors forgot he could do all of that...), how can a bit of randomness conquer him?

The Mandalorians were overplayed, and Jacen Solo was underplayed.

Personally I love the Mandalorians, but Legacy did take them to far in some ways. And the last book in the series...wow. That...that was awful. The idiot who wrote that book completely changed the personalities of all the Mando's, and suddenly they all hated Jaina. wtf? That made me really mad.

The authors forgot because they had a bad set of authors doing the series. Especially Traviss, who went on a jihad against all of Timothy Zahn's characters. Though she did an excellent job of portraying the Mando's and their culture, other than the 'mando fighting beats all types of force training' thing.

That series was poorly planned, all in all. And the 'we can kill main characters' thing went to their heads when they wrote it. If they wanted writers who could portray Jacen and his powers correctly, they should have looked elsewhere. If they wanted writers who could hold a series together and correctly use each other's material, they should have looked elsewhere. Overall...the authors who just terrible choices, and that's why it came out so bad.

All the good authors probably took one look at the series outline and said "Hell no! I won't have my name put on that POS you call a book series.".

[Kaleb Graff]

Ugh. The Mandalorians...The Legacy series went waaayyy overboard with them. I like how they gave a Boba Fett a previously unseen facet, but everything was just too centered on them. Especially the whole "Only fighting like a Mandalorian will allow you to defeat Jacen Solo" thing. I mean, come on...If Jacen is so powerful (He can see countless branches of the future based on several different factors, become invisible in the Force and to the eye, probably teleport himself and objects, etc...Oh, but wait, the authors forgot he could do all of that...), how can a bit of randomness conquer him?

The Mandalorians were overplayed, and Jacen Solo was underplayed.

Personally I love the Mandalorians, but Legacy did take them to far in some ways. And the last book in the series...wow. That...that was awful. The idiot who wrote that book completely changed the personalities of all the Mando's, and suddenly they all hated Jaina. wtf? That made me really mad.

The authors forgot because they had a bad set of authors doing the series. Especially Traviss, who went on a jihad against all of Timothy Zahn's characters. Though she did an excellent job of portraying the Mando's and their culture, other than the 'mando fighting beats all types of force training' thing.

That series was poorly planned, all in all. And the 'we can kill main characters' thing went to their heads when they wrote it. If they wanted writers who could portray Jacen and his powers correctly, they should have looked elsewhere. If they wanted writers who could hold a series together and correctly use each other's material, they should have looked elsewhere. Overall...the authors who just terrible choices, and that's why it came out so bad.

All the good authors probably took one look at the series outline and said "Hell no! I won't have my name put on that POS you call a book series.".

They don't have any good authors writing on a regular basis anymore, at least not as a series. NJO was neat in that we got to see a lot of perspectives, but it also was a lot of different serieses on the same plotline. Taking the multiple authors concept further was what got legacy in trouble. I kind of think that they have made the Force too powerful, and the Boba's training was a welcome change from using the Force to solve most of the problems.

I really hated the series for what happened to Zahn's characters, though. A safety cover is there so that if someone is stabbed in the leg, they won't get poisoned. That was just cheap.