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[{IP} Aridor]

After playing with Mordor against all the factions on AI I noticed something interesting. You can beat all the factions with huge waves of the free orcs followed up by trolls except for Isenguard. Now the interesting thing is that it was due to the size and shape of the Isenguard Uruk horde it seems impossible to flank them.

[Myrdin]

i have to ask . . . ( sorry i really have to ), did you use JUST basic free orcs and trolls ?

nothing else ?

for as much as i try to think about flanking, i kinda miss the point of having archers giving you ranged support ( if you are not able to flank, archers will cover that ).

[Devon]

What difficulty were you playing?

And basic orcs suck...that's why they're free If you really wanna win...use a combination of troops, not just trolls and orcs.

[Myrdin]

thats what i was trying to say ( kinda ), there you goo.

btw yoda will there be a topic created, maybe something like " Best choices " where people who know how to play good for every race, would be able to add some tips for the new Rj balance ( i kinda still fixed on " normal " gameplay tipe, though im getting pretty used to the wall system, i dont like the limitation of your resource buildings )

[Devon]

Me and shikari were working on a strat guide in pdf format a while back...but we kinda stopped because balance is constantly being changed When the next beta gets out, we'll probably start it up again.

[Myrdin]

again from beginning . . . . ouch

[Shikari]

well previous strat thread's have been attempted, but have fallen into dissuse.... If someone wants to start a new one, feel free in the general discussion section.

[Devon]

I'm sure we could find some help once .06 gets released But before then is kind of a waste of time.

[Myrdin]

after i get my fingers on the " people " wersion, im eager to help you, if you want the help of course

[{IP} Aridor]

Ok what I am saying is that you can win with literally scores of basic orc hordes against medium and hard AI against all the factions except Isenguard. The square Isenguard horde is seemingly impossible to get a flank bonus on. No when you attack so gondor with twenty orc hordes the orcs surround the units and beak up any formation that the army had. Now with only two hordes of archer support you can "drown" all the other armies so long as you have a constant stream of free orcs. It takes like four orc pits to make it fast enough. The reason it works is the flank bonus. The units to the front get slammed but the ones at the back crush them. But the Uruk-hai horde has a shape with no sides or rear. The Uruk-hai at the back turn around and can fight the rear and the same with the side. Now this shape is bad against the wide gondor hordes but excellent against lots of weak units.

[Devon]

Then you should adapt tactics...you're not supposed to use the same stradegy against every faction. Some stradegies are better suited than others against certain factions...

[dojob]

Yeah, just because ur orc spam doesn't own everybody doesn't mean that Mordor stinks, it means you need to use another strategy (with a T ) than spamming orcs. Try spamming heroes or trolls or, whatever else mordor has

[Myrdin]

i dont think hes saying mordor stinks but i agree with yoda that you have to get on with diferent strategy ( though if its . . . . on brutal when you play 10 minutes, get lets say boromir, and enemy pulls out withcki = you are dead, coz you lack the founds or units - 50% discount is too much make it 35% or soo ( wk at 50% - 2500 ) )

as for the Uruk Hai, . . damn im proud of them, they didnt bow befoure your spammy tactic, thats the spirit

[Devon]

50% is not too much. It makes it a challenge. Besides, WK is a bit overrated imo...he's fairly easy to take down.

[Myrdin]

ahh really, well then i want YOU to take him down in non RJ map ( Angmar WK ), when you are able to get just few lvl 2 units, and then he comes and slice all shit out of them, as they just run out of barracks ( or archery range ).
and when you finally get a hero down he slice him too.

its easier to beat brutal at RJs than at normal maps !

[Devon]

I know non-rj is harder, but it's still doable.

And Angmar wk is a bit stronger than mordor it seems (whenever I play geriden anyway). He's very hard to counter, as opposed to the mordor one where you just snipe away at him with archers and try to avoid close combat.

[Myrdin]

yeh tell me about that

really " love " the situations, when you just repel one attack of 4 hill troll groups, get boromir out, and right after that comes WK, and with single blow kills like 30 units ( 3 combo bats. i think ) single handed ( pikes cant even get close to him ) and then solo your boro.

50% is too much, i know its brutal, but much harder ai, is enough of a challange, and 50% discount is TOO much ( im ok with lets say 35% ), becouse having to counter a late game hero when most of your buidlings are just lvl 2 and you ( might ) got a early g. hero, etc etc sigh

ruins the fun of the game ( gives the feeling AI cheats - well thx to discount its kinda cheating ).


( it will be WERY interesting for MOTE since they got discount on choosen race 40% + 50% for choosing Brutal enemy + the Brutal AI setting (i d like to play with him without any cheaty discount, would like him to see how good the AI would be than) . . . 90% discount - unbeatable . . . )

[Fyro11]

. . . 90% discount - unbeatable . . . )

Such a notion is inconceivable...

[Myrdin]

i know it wont be made to 90% ( i HOPE ! ), its just 1+1=2 logic im using in this

[Devon]

How is it too much? It's still defeatable, and quite a challenge too...