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#101 Irenë Hawnetyne

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 07:30 PM

Because it's messy, in my personal opinion. I know it doesn't make much difference to the running around here, but damn I hate having all these dreary empty accounts hanging around here like gravestones.


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Posted 04 November 2013 - 07:45 PM

Revora is a city, and every city has a graveyard but in your defense it would clear up a lot of usernames that people can't get because some clever kid took them years ago and never came back. So perhaps for that reason alone you have changed my mind. I agree with you.



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Posted 04 November 2013 - 09:48 PM

I support cleaning out old unused accounts, which will release some names and make searching for members easier.

Don't really see a good reason for removing old topics though.


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Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:48 PM

I support cleaning out old unused accounts, which will release some names and make searching for members easier.

Don't really see a good reason for removing old topics though.

old useless topics such as "i made a sandwhich today" from 3 years ago or the wonderful "im a random noob and i'd like to start another epic thread that will just fade into history"

it cleans up disk space, and removes redundant threads such as help requests that are solved by one person pointing out the obvious.

 

the only reason to keep those is to maintain post counts, but that's not relevant to Hawn's suggestion as there is no harm in throwing out trash threads with 0-2 replies that are over a year or two old.

 

my suggestion was a more extreme but cleaning method if we actually are concerned about space, but doable if need be.



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Posted 05 November 2013 - 09:41 AM

Clearing out topics is just not how we do things here, we only delete spam and duplicates and we have a policy of allowing topics to be necro'd.

There is no good reason to be deleting posts.

Topics don't take up that much space and we're aren't exactly facing storage space problems.

 

User profiles on the other I agree with.

 

I also think we should have a look at having animated gifs in signatures while DIGI's isn't too bad some of the newer member ones are a bit much.

 

I also think we should have a look through the staff list and clean it up a bit removing any old positions and inactive staff from their positions.

 

Other than everyone with RCC access knows my suggestions for Revora.


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Posted 05 November 2013 - 10:17 AM

Clearing out topics is just not how we do things here, we only delete spam and duplicates and we have a policy of allowing topics to be necro'd.

There is no good reason to be deleting posts.

+saving space

+removing redundancy

+cleaner forums

(if something is worth keeping it should be archived)

it may have been a way in the past but why can't we change? whats so wrong with changing?

 

 

Topics don't take up that much space and we're aren't exactly facing storage space problems.

User profiles on the other I agree with.

Actually a Forum Thread could take up much more space over table data, and can grow exponetially in size while an account can't

the problem with the account is freeing up user names for others who may want them, user name sitting is a thing

 

 

I also think we should have a look at having animated gifs in signatures while DIGI's isn't too bad some of the newer member ones are a bit much.

Agreed gif's should have a size limit placed on them if possible.

if a user has an obscenly large footer, gif or not, it should be removed. handling those on a case by case situation is fine, even if the user gets a penalty for X weeks

 

 

I also think we should have a look through the staff list and clean it up a bit removing any old positions and inactive staff from their positions.

inactive? funny enough it sounds like your having a dig at me?

that is a grey area, you don't want to start shooting the gun like that. we have people who legitimately care about Revora who have its best interest in mind, each person has their place and we can't be online at all times.

are you referring inactive people like Rob and bart to lose their place simply because they have a life and this forum is deader then my grandma's s*x life?
 

However if your referring to old accounts, people who have legitimately left, they would most likely have their powers stripped already but it wouldn't hurt to go over them once more as a security measure.



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Posted 05 November 2013 - 10:39 AM

1) Change for the sake of change is just a waste of time, If it's not broke don't fix it.

Going and deleting old topics is very time consuming a moderator would have to go through all those topics for content, relevance and all that.

A lot of effort for very little good.

The forums are occasionally cleaned up by their staff, take T3A for example every so often we do a hostee reorganisation and archive inactive mods and clean up the forums that should be the responsibility of their staff.

Other divisions could probably benefit from a more active staff forum like the T3A chambers but at this stage in the forum's life there's not much point.

 

Why would that be a dig at you?

You aren't staff.

 

I mean going through and just checking that everyone with a staff position is active and able to fulfil their roles if not they could get demoted and position either refilled or retired.


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Posted 05 November 2013 - 12:21 PM

The forum has a lot of old clutter, and it doesn't have to be manually sorted and cleaned, we were talking about server side cleaning,

don't fix it if its not broke? the forum isn't broken its just full of old redundant posts, does any of it matter?

 

Point 1, old posts from 2+ years ago with content that isn't relative to today's posts, all content has either been stored or improved since then

Point 2, majority of those posts that are in question haven't been viewed in 2+ years, making them not relevant to today's situation

Point 3, the search/filter IF done, would target posts that have about 5 or less replies and haven't been viewed in 2 years+

and if that isn't successful in cleaning up what we want, those parameters will adapt.

If there isn't anything relevant that hasn't already been used 500 times over, its probably so trivial to be discarded anyway.

 

the question you have to ask is this,

do we need any of it? empty threads posting redundant updates from 2009

 

as mentioned before, thread cleaning is a last resort that may or may not be done depending on the overall state of the forums, if anything we might just dump and burn the spam section and other old sections that never get/got used

 

 

its just something others are looking at and I'm posting a critical view on how it should be handled if its an option we must do.

Edit, might be useful: http://community.inv...ete-old-topics/



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Posted 05 November 2013 - 12:52 PM

IMO don't delete old topics, they're sometimes fun to look through even if it's by accident and removing them will also break links, if there are any.


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Posted 05 November 2013 - 01:21 PM

Also we're a modding based community often the answers to people's modding based problems are found in old posts with 1 reply.

Basically there's no need to be deleting old posts, the forums are quiet enough without hiding,moving or deleting half of our content.

 

Oh and here's a thought next year Revora turns 10, we should something special for that.

Maybe we could get some of the Revora originals back for a day.


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Posted 05 November 2013 - 02:07 PM

I'm entirely in agreement with Digi here. Also:

Going and deleting old topics is very time consuming a moderator would have to go through all those topics for content, relevance and all that.

 

I don't suggest things I'm not willing to do myself. I try not to shift the load onto other people, so I would do it myself, with help from volunteers if they wish.

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 07:59 PM

Some people may not be aware, but the user member information stored on Revora forum's database is used by division sites. It means that there is a chance that some 0 posters on Revora forums may have provided content inside the division sites and the deletion of few of these accounts could be problematic for these sites.

 

 

 

 

Clearing out topics is just not how we do things here, we only delete spam and duplicates and we have a policy of allowing topics to be necro'd.

There is no good reason to be deleting posts.

+saving space

+removing redundancy

+cleaner forums

(if something is worth keeping it should be archived)

it may have been a way in the past but why can't we change? whats so wrong with changing?

 

Do you really think that few bytes makes any difference in this server?

 

The only advantage you've mentioned is removing redundancy... and it is not really a big deal at all, except for the time that will be wasted on doing that.

 

 

 

Actually a Forum Thread could take up much more space over table data, and can grow exponetially in size while an account can't

the problem with the account is freeing up user names for others who may want them, user name sitting is a thing

 

Few stupid bytes that won't make a difference at all. And this kind of content can still be tracked by Google and other search engines and eventually attract someone to this place. Even if it is stupid.

 

 

The forum has a lot of old clutter, and it doesn't have to be manually sorted and cleaned, we were talking about server side cleaning,

don't fix it if its not broke? the forum isn't broken its just full of old redundant posts, does any of it matter?

 

Every forum in the world will be cluttered with redundant data. That's part of the nature and behavior of any forum. This is how things works.

 

Revora has division sites that were created with the purpose of organizing the data that exists in this network. So, the task of organizing data should be from the sites of this network rather than the forums.


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Posted 05 November 2013 - 08:14 PM

I see your point about the division sites. It's rather a final point.


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Posted 06 November 2013 - 02:53 AM

Agree'd



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 04:33 AM

Yeah...if only I had said something like that.


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 07:28 AM

I can't believe I just witnessed all the oldies agreeing on something universally...

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 03:08 PM

Yep the option with the least work.


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 04:56 PM

How about changing to the mobile theme automatically when on a mobile device...

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#119 Irenë Hawnetyne

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 05:36 PM

Um... I think it does do that, doesn't it?


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 06:41 PM

If it does, it does not affect IE on Windows Phone 8.

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