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[Re4_wesker]

Unicorn is fantastic, but im wondering why no one's complaining about the fact that the title suit's pilot is yet another previously zero training/unknown teenager.

It's kind of one of those themes you expect from gundams now. Each series usually has a Gundam in it and usually has a Unknown teenager with above average skills. So far i don't mind Banagher too much either. He kinda reminds me of Kamille for some reason.

[KiraYamatoFreedom]

Unicorn is fantastic, but im wondering why no one's complaining about the fact that the title suit's pilot is yet another previously zero training/unknown teenager.

It's kind of one of those themes you expect from gundams now. Each series usually has a Gundam in it and usually has a Unknown teenager with above average skills. So far i don't mind Banagher too much either. He kinda reminds me of Kamille for some reason.

I wouldn't say all gundam pilots when they appear on the show are zero training teenagers or whatever. There was gundam wing if I remember correctly that had trained pilots. Gundam 00 was like that too, the 4 Gundam Meisters were like that as well. In Gundam Seed Destiny Shinn had been training with Zaft for a bit as well as Athrun. Those small Gundam series during the one year war like 0080 and 0083 may have had trained pilots. I think there are others but I feel lazy and don't want to type anymore.

[Re4_wesker]

I wouldn't say all gundam pilots when they appear on the show are zero training teenagers or whatever. There was gundam wing if I remember correctly that had trained pilots. Gundam 00 was like that too, the 4 Gundam Meisters were like that as well. In Gundam Seed Destiny Shinn had been training with Zaft for a bit as well as Athrun. Those small Gundam series during the one year war like 0080 and 0083 may have had trained pilots. I think there are others but I feel lazy and don't want to type anymore.

Not all of course. The first few gundam series had them (Amuro, Kamille, Judau). The newer series seem to make it a little more diverse. They still seem to stay by the teenage pilot part though with the exception of some series.

[Stargazer]

I wouldn't say all gundam pilots when they appear on the show are zero training teenagers or whatever. There was gundam wing if I remember correctly that had trained pilots. Gundam 00 was like that too, the 4 Gundam Meisters were like that as well. In Gundam Seed Destiny Shinn had been training with Zaft for a bit as well as Athrun. Those small Gundam series during the one year war like 0080 and 0083 may have had trained pilots. I think there are others but I feel lazy and don't want to type anymore.

Not all of course. The first few gundam series had them (Amuro, Kamille, Judau). The newer series seem to make it a little more diverse. They still seem to stay by the teenage pilot part though with the exception of some series.

08th MS Team, which was the greatest gundam ever made.

Until Unicorn that is.

[Crusader]

8th was good, however there was so much plotarmor hax on all sides on the conflict.

The Invinciball, for example, that thing tanked more damage than what the Ground Gundams seem to usually take before breaking down.

[Stargazer]

8th was good, however there was so much plotarmor hax on all sides on the conflict.

The Invinciball, for example, that thing tanked more damage than what the Ground Gundams seem to usually take before breaking down.

true dat.

Still, a far superior show in all fronts to 00, Seed Destiny and Seed.

[Dark Lord Revan]

It's kind of one of those themes you expect from gundams now. Each series usually has a Gundam in it and usually has a Unknown teenager with above average skills.

Exactly. My point being that there are some themes that are just recurring in the series. It should be more than slapping a name on a mobile suit that has similar features to the original, and it is. We have the prodigy teenagers, masked archnemesis, etc. Even if it makes them feel like reused concepts, I would ask myself 'is this gundam?' if it didnt have these things. Again....even though they are old, tired and used concepts. I really dont mind the concepts in gundam 00, because isnt gundam a drama style real-robot show? It wouldnt be like that if all the characters were flawless, or if the protagonist side didnt have a bit of hypocrisy.

Its fine for 8th MS team, unicorn and igloo, etc. They can do what they do because they're sidestories set in an established gundam universe. They dont have to worry about portraying themselves as a gundam series.

[Re4_wesker]

Exactly. My point being that there are some themes that are just recurring in the series. It should be more than slapping a name on a mobile suit that has similar features to the original, and it is. We have the prodigy teenagers, masked archnemesis, etc. Even if it makes them feel like reused concepts, I would ask myself 'is this gundam?' if it didnt have these things. Again....even though they are old, tired and used concepts. I really dont mind the concepts in gundam 00, because isnt gundam a drama style real-robot show? It wouldnt be like that if all the characters were flawless, or if the protagonist side didnt have a bit of hypocrisy.

Gundam series that take place outside of the UC era should try to move away from the recurring themes i suppose. It's really hit and miss though with those unfortunately.

Its fine for 8th MS team, unicorn and igloo, etc. They can do what they do because they're sidestories set in an established gundam universe. They dont have to worry about portraying themselves as a gundam series.

Ya unicorn can get away with it. Full Frontal for example is referred to as the second coming of Char Aznable so he can be masked.

Edited by Re4_wesker, 03 April 2010 - 10:51 PM.

[KiraYamatoFreedom]

There is something I find wierd. Unicorn Gundam is like RX-0 or something, a number way below then all of there other Gundams like RX-78-2 "Gundam", so does that mean that they had thought of Unicorn Gundam ahead of time or what?

[Re4_wesker]

There is something I find wierd. Unicorn Gundam is like RX-0 or something, a number way below then all of there other Gundams like RX-78-2 "Gundam", so does that mean that they had thought of Unicorn Gundam ahead of time or what?

I looked it up and it says that it was the successor to the Nu Gundam in terms of development. This would imply that the overall construction would have taken place after Char's counterattack(from gundam wiki so idk how true this is). As for the main idea? from what i've gathered from the first few minutes of Unicorn gundam they were planning something big. If the Unicorn Gundam has a major role in that plan then i think it would be safe to assume that the idea atleast was thought of long before hand. idk if that justifies the RX-0 classification though.

[Re4_wesker]

Or maybe it's just a number they decided to give it?

I think you're looking way to far into it.

maybe. i'm simply just attempting to come up with an explanation to his question. -_-

Edited by Re4_wesker, 06 April 2010 - 10:18 PM.

[Dark Lord Revan]

Names have power, and so do designations. RX-0 is most likely just a way to give unicorn a big impact, like saying (through that number) that its like a revolution of gundam technology. I doubt it has anything to do with chronological order.

Gundam series that take place outside of the UC era should try to move away from the recurring themes i suppose. It's really hit and miss though with those unfortunately.

I think this is dangerous for a franchise. As a rule, u should come up with maybe a different outlook, different issues. But to take away themes is no-no in industry. Taking an example, the reboot star trek movie. While the flavour and style is very different from any past trek production (ie: high octane action, less techy focus, more humor even), recurring themes like racial equality, scientific advancement, basic trek starship design, emphasis on more utopic civilisations, they didnt get taken out. Or it wouldnt have stayed star trek. Its more than the characters or the ship.

Similarly, Gundam has to be more than just 'gundams'. Dont tell me that if i gave all the important mechs in <insert misc mecha anime here>, faces like gundam and the name, that show's considered gundam. It has to be more than that. Maybe we're too used to the themes being there that we dont realize how iconic it is unless its gone.

Edit: Goddamn, im a hopeless hypocrite. I started arguing and ranting again. Crap.

Edited by Dark Lord Revan, 07 April 2010 - 09:39 AM.

[Re4_wesker]

This is no argument DLR. If anything its a discussion.

anyways i agree that it is dangerous for a franchise however when they left the UC era behind that was very dangerous. as we can see it had varying success. I just wish that they would move away from some of the recurring themes especially if they are going to make a series that doesnt take part in the UC era.

[Dark Lord Revan]

I tink its telling that the first departure from UC was G gundam (correct me if im wrong). I see G Gundam as a sort of parody-ish work of gundam, since its super-robot, and maybe in the beginning it was supposed to be a one-off departure. Though, judging by a cameo appearance by a early design of wing gundam close to the end, they changed their minds, probably cause G Gundam performed better than they thought.

[Zexion01]

So Stargazer or anyone else qualified to answer this question, has the Gundam Legacy project been put on indefinite halt? I just want to hear an answer.

[Dark Lord Revan]

Wrong thread perhaps, this is anime discussion.

Then again, the other parts of the site look pretty moldy

Till SG posts, far as i know Legacy is stalled cause of lack of modelers.

Edit: Goddamn...i though i pressed back fast enough on that guest post...

Edited by Dark Lord Revan, 06 May 2010 - 02:28 PM.

[Stargazer]

doesn't really matter, that's what the general thread is for.

but yea, it's stalled until we get modelers to join and actually fucking stay for more than 5 minutes.

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